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Old 12-05-2011   #1
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The guy in the open field is second to none. You have to pay this guy long term, as he IS the most complete running back in the league. He almost never gets tackled by the first guy, and his vision is excellent. The move he put on DROB yesterday was nasty. Just nasty.

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With the flu. Cant sell that short.
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Depends on how much money he wants. If he wants money compared to what CJ got, than I'd hate to see the Texans pay any RB like that. CJ and Williams both got way to much money, and RB's simply arent' worth that type of investment when you can use average backs in many cases to give you good production if your O line is really good at opening the holes and pushing the pile. We have a great RB in Ben Tate that is sitting right behind Foster. I'd love to keep Foster for the long term and he is the best RB in the league right now in my opinion, but I don't want the Texans to have to pay any RB the kind of money that Williams and CJ both got, and that's what he'll most likely ask for.
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Depends on how much money he wants. If he wants money compared to what CJ got, than I'd hate to see the Texans pay any RB like that. CJ and Williams both got way to much money, and RB's simply arent' worth that type of investment when you can use average backs in many cases to give you good production if your O line is really good at opening the holes and pushing the pile. We have a great RB in Ben Tate that is sitting right behind Foster. I'd love to keep Foster for the long term and he is the best RB in the league right now in my opinion, but I don't want the Texans to have to pay any RB the kind of money that Williams and CJ both got, and that's what he'll most likely ask for.
I think you can pay Foster the money BECAUSE Tate is here.
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Depends on how much money he wants. If he wants money compared to what CJ got, than I'd hate to see the Texans pay any RB like that. CJ and Williams both got way to much money, and RB's simply arent' worth that type of investment when you can use average backs in many cases to give you good production if your O line is really good at opening the holes and pushing the pile. We have a great RB in Ben Tate that is sitting right behind Foster. I'd love to keep Foster for the long term and he is the best RB in the league right now in my opinion, but I don't want the Texans to have to pay any RB the kind of money that Williams and CJ both got, and that's what he'll most likely ask for.
Considering the cap is going to go up. I think you should give him top 3 money. He does not take hard hits, and will be LT like for the next 5 years. 5 years 55 million would be fine with me. Ben Tate is good, but Arian Foster he is not.
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I don't know, but the man needs to get paid more than he's been making. Does he get food stamps?
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ash clouds cause flights to be cancelled... oh im sorry i thought this was a 'things we learnt in 2010' thread


once arians demands are reasonable, he should get paid. hes given a clinic on how to play out an underpaid contract & deserves to be rewarded for acting like a pro. foster and tate should be the backbone of this offence for yrs
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Considering the cap is going to go up. I think you should give him top 3 money. He does not take hard hits, and will be LT like for the next 5 years. 5 years 55 million would be fine with me. Ben Tate is good, but Arian Foster he is not.
What do you mean he doesn't take hard hits?? Lol! He is an NFL RB and they all take hard hits. There is no getting away from that if you're a back that carries the ball 15 times a game.

Top 3 money is a waste for any RB in my opinion. The Titans were crazy to pay CJ that kind of money regardless of how great he has been. RB's aren't a dime a dozen, but it's not that hard to plug in play them when you have the kind of O line that we have right now. Other than at Kicker, RB is probably the position that I'd want to spend one of the least amounts on as far as player salaries go. Denver put together one great season after another of a productive running game in this system with average backs other than those years that Terrell Davis and Portis were there. I love Foster, but RB's aren't worth over 6 Million a year especially when you have Ben Tate sitting right behind him. Tate is a beast as well.
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What do you mean he doesn't take hard hits?? Lol! He is an NFL RB and they all take hard hits. There is no getting away from that if you're a back that carries the ball 15 times a game.

Defenders dont often get a good shot at him ..... he's said it himself that he tries to only give them half a target , not allowing the defender to square up on him to deliver a big hit.
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The guy in the open field is second to none. You have to pay this guy long term, as he IS the most complete running back in the league. He almost never gets tackled by the first guy, and his vision is excellent. The move he put on DROB yesterday was nasty. Just nasty.

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Depends on how much money he wants. If he wants money compared to what CJ got, than I'd hate to see the Texans pay any RB like that. CJ and Williams both got way to much money, and RB's simply arent' worth that type of investment when you can use average backs in many cases to give you good production if your O line is really good at opening the holes and pushing the pile. We have a great RB in Ben Tate that is sitting right behind Foster. I'd love to keep Foster for the long term and he is the best RB in the league right now in my opinion, but I don't want the Texans to have to pay any RB the kind of money that Williams and CJ both got, and that's what he'll most likely ask for.
I agree with Texecutioner. Foster is the best RB in the league, but the shelf life of a RB is pretty short. Adrian Peterson is already talking about getting a higher contract than CJ got. If there was no salary cap then sure, i wouldn't mind giving a massive contract to Foster, but the reality is there is a salary cap.

So I say offer him a fair contract. But what is fair? Let's see. CJ is making about 9.3 per year base salary(56 mill total). The 5th highest paid RB in 2011 is Frank Gore who made 4.9 base. Foster currently makes $525,000 in base. If we offer him a total of $35 million over 5 year(of which 25 is guaranteed), then it turns into a base of $5 mill per year. That is a reasonable offer to show Foster we appreciate him yet it does not hamstring the team like a 9 or 10 mill a year contract would.
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Defenders dont often get a good shot at him ..... he's said it himself that he tries to only give them half a target , not allowing the defender to square up on him to deliver a big hit.
RB's take big hits and I've seen him take a ton of big hits. There is no way around that no matter how hard he tries to give half a target.
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I agree with Texecutioner. Foster is the best RB in the league, but the shelf life of a RB is pretty short. Adrian Peterson is already talking about getting a higher contract than CJ got. If there was no salary cap then sure, i wouldn't mind giving a massive contract to Foster, but the reality is there is a salary cap.

So I say offer him a fair contract. But what is fair? Let's see. CJ is making about 9.3 per year base salary(56 mill total). The 5th highest paid RB in 2011 is Frank Gore who made 4.9 base. Foster currently makes $525,000 in base. If we offer him a total of $35 million over 5 year(of which 25 is guaranteed), then it turns into a base of $5 mill per year. That is a reasonable offer to show Foster we appreciate him yet it does not hamstring the team like a 9 or 10 mill a year contract would.
Hammer meet nail. This is exactly where I would draw the line. Our running game was pretty damn good when Foster was out as well and Tate carried the running game. We also have had our 3rd string guy look pretty good in limited action. Foster may be better than Tate, but it's not by much. Tate is a freaking tank. Teams are going to learn from watching the Panthers and the Titans throw bad money on Williams and CJ. NO RB IS WORTH THAT KIND OF MONEY.
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I agree with Texecutioner. Foster is the best RB in the league, but the shelf life of a RB is pretty short. Adrian Peterson is already talking about getting a higher contract than CJ got. If there was no salary cap then sure, i wouldn't mind giving a massive contract to Foster, but the reality is there is a salary cap.

So I say offer him a fair contract. But what is fair? Let's see. CJ is making about 9.3 per year base salary(56 mill total). The 5th highest paid RB in 2011 is Frank Gore who made 4.9 base. Foster currently makes $525,000 in base. If we offer him a total of $35 million over 5 year(of which 25 is guaranteed), then it turns into a base of $5 mill per year. That is a reasonable offer to show Foster we appreciate him yet it does not hamstring the team like a 9 or 10 mill a year contract would.
I think it boils down to how much is money is guaranteed rather than the total value of a contract.
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Hammer meet nail. This is exactly where I would draw the line. Our running game was pretty damn good when Foster was out as well and Tate carried the running game. We also have had our 3rd string guy look pretty good in limited action. Foster may be better than Tate, but it's not by much. Tate is a freaking tank. Teams are going to learn from watching the Panthers and the Titans throw bad money on Williams and CJ. NO RB IS WORTH THAT KIND OF MONEY.
Not by much. Tate has shown this year that he is unreliable to catch a dump off. What makes Foster so special is his vision, pass protection, open field running, and catching passes out of the back field. Tate runs like a bat out of hell but he isn't close to Arian. This team needs Foster.
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Arian doesnt seem like the type that will demand outrageous money. He is all class and an outstanding human being.

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Arian doesnt seem like the type that will demand outrageous money. He is all class and an outstanding human being.

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You're in for a rude awakening big time.
I have to agree .... this is business and Foster has far and away handled his end. He's going to expect bigtime and I dont blame him.

The team may have been better off locking him up prior to this season rather than allowing him to reach FA.
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I have to agree .... this is business and Foster has far and away handled his end. He's going to expect bigtime and I dont blame him.

The team may have been better off locking him up prior to this season rather than allowing him to reach FA.
Foster is RFA - Right to match.
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I have to agree .... this is business and Foster has far and away handled his end. He's going to expect bigtime and I dont blame him.

The team may have been better off locking him up prior to this season rather than allowing him to reach FA.
So is my proposal above a big-time money contract and a fair offer?

It was 35 mill over 5 years with 25 guaranteed.
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Foster is RFA - Right to match.
Regardless of that fact , I think they could have saved a substantial amount of money by giving him a reasonable deal after last season because someone is going to offer him stupid money this offseason.
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