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Old 12-05-2011   #1
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Default Why did Urlacher knock it down?

Watching the highlights on NFLN..... Tyler Palko is thrown back into the game & throws a hail mary at the end of the third qtr.

The guys in the NFLN studio (including Deione & Irving) are screaming "knock it down"

Urlacher knocks it down into the hands of Dexter McCluster.

Then they call it a fluke.
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It's that tricky Duster McCluster.
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Default Re: Why did Urlacher knock it down?

He did exactly what he was supposed to do, just like Quin.
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Default Re: Why did Urlacher knock it down?

The player behaind him knocked it down. It looked like Brian was going to catch it.

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The player behaind him knocked it down. It looked like Brian was going to catch it.
Yeah he was going to catch it the way a Volley Ball player spikes a ball. Watch the replay, both hands came down with force.
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Yeah he was going to catch it the way a Volley Ball player spikes a ball. Watch the replay, both hands came down with force.
Because the player from behind whacked him, IMO.
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Default Re: Why did Urlacher knock it down?

Just another lesson in why you don't always bat it down. I don't know if the guy behind him bumped Urlacher enough to cause a catch by Urlacher to turn into a batted ball, but still....

You got a guy (McCluster) facing you, and you bat it in his direction? Awesome.

I'd rather try to catch it, and have it bounce off my hands, than to bat the ball and be helpless as to where it goes. It's just that simple. At least you were trying to make a real play and secure the ball, rather than giving the WR a chance at it.
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Just another lesson in why you don't always bat it down. I don't know if the guy behind him bumped Urlacher enough to cause a catch by Urlacher to turn into a batted ball, but still....

You got a guy (McCluster) facing you, and you bat it in his direction? Awesome.

I'd rather try to catch it, and have it bounce off my hands, than to bat the ball and be helpless as to where it goes. It's just that simple. At least you were trying to make a real play and secure the ball, rather than giving the WR a chance at it.
Or let it go out of bounds. The only way a Chief has a chance is if you hit it to them.
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Just another lesson in why you don't always bat it down. I don't know if the guy behind him bumped Urlacher enough to cause a catch by Urlacher to turn into a batted ball, but still....

You got a guy (McCluster) facing you, and you bat it in his direction? Awesome.

I'd rather try to catch it, and have it bounce off my hands, than to bat the ball and be helpless as to where it goes. It's just that simple. At least you were trying to make a real play and secure the ball, rather than giving the WR a chance at it.
Deion Sanders says that after the Quin thing, he now teaches his kids to catch it and run it back for a touchdown.

But conventional teaching was and is still to knock it down. But I think the offenses are now teaching their WR's to have discipline to have one or two guys trailing with the idea of catching the ball when it gets knocked down.
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Deion Sanders says that after the Quin thing, he now teaches his kids to catch it and run it back for a touchdown.

But conventional teaching was and is still to knock it down. But I think the offenses are now teaching their WR's to have discipline to have one or two guys trailing with the idea of catching the ball when it gets knocked down.
Deion is always teaching his kids to take it to the house.


Conventional wisdom is about getting the ball out of play. If you've got a LB (which most teams won't have in this situation) or a DB (which most of them have hard hands) in the endzone trying to catch the ball, he's just going to keep the ball in play longer than it needs to be.

However, the NFL is about adapting. DBs today have better hands than they did back in Deion's day. Knocking it down may not be the best thing to do with receivers looking for it.

But it's still ridiculous to fault Quin, or Urlacher for that play. That's what they are taught to do.

If you can't get your head around that, that's on you.
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Default Re: Why did Urlacher knock it down?

I never understand why you aren't taught to hit it out of the back of the endzone. No chance then
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I never understand why you aren't taught to hit it out of the back of the endzone. No chance then
Was thinking the same thing, just bat the thing out of bounds. Of course, easier said than done to go through that thought process in the split second you realize you're going to have a shot at it.
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I never understand why you aren't taught to hit it out of the back of the endzone. No chance then
When you bat it down, it's supposed to go straight down, hit the ground, play over.
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Wade tells his guys it's ok to catch it if they have a good look at it and are comfortable doing so. Otherwise he tells them to bat it away.

They talked about this on the radio the other day.

Receivers trailing the play looking for the rebound is not something new.
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Deion Sanders says that after the Quin thing, he now teaches his kids to catch it and run it back for a touchdown.

But conventional teaching was and is still to knock it down. But I think the offenses are now teaching their WR's to have discipline to have one or two guys trailing with the idea of catching the ball when it gets knocked down.
I think it's safe to say that the Glover Quin disaster has made a lot of coaches reconsider what they teach defenders to do.

I got my ass jumped PLENTY throughout the summer because I was the only person in the whole thread who said that if you don't let your guys try to catch the ball, what are you teaching them to do? To NOT catch the ball, that's what.

And we have exactly how many interceptions this year? Bunches and bunches. Because our defense is now being told to go after everything. You can see it in our secondary players' eyes when they know they have a good position on someone...you can see that our guy is going to go for the catch. Doesn't matter if it's a hail mary, a deep pass, whatever. The mentality is now one that is PROACTIVE, not flailing away and praying it hits the ground.

I've seen an opening game this season end right at the buzzer because the defender in the end zone leapt and made the catch on a hail mary pass that got into the end zone, he was going for the catch the whole way. IIRC, it was the Bills game vs. Oakland, in Buffalo. I think that's the one. Game over.

I think a lot of guys are going to ignore "the standard operating procedure" after seeing the Texans lose that game vs. Jax the way we did.
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I think it's safe to say that the Glover Quin disaster has made a lot of coaches reconsider what they teach defenders to do.

I got my ass jumped PLENTY throughout the summer because I was the only person in the whole thread who said that if you don't let your guys try to catch the ball, what are you teaching them to do? To NOT catch the ball, that's what.

And we have exactly how many interceptions this year? Bunches and bunches. Because our defense is now being told to go after everything. You can see it in our secondary players' eyes when they know they have a good position on someone...you can see that our guy is going to go for the catch. Doesn't matter if it's a hail mary, a deep pass, whatever. The mentality is now one that is PROACTIVE, not flailing away and praying it hits the ground.

I've seen an opening game this season end right at the buzzer because the defender in the end zone leapt and made the catch on a hail mary pass that got into the end zone, he was going for the catch the whole way. IIRC, it was the Bills game vs. Oakland, in Buffalo. I think that's the one. Game over.

I think a lot of guys are going to ignore "the standard operating procedure" after seeing the Texans lose that game vs. Jax the way we did.
Phillips tells guys they can do either or. He isn't telling them to always catch it in those situations. But he is saying it's ok to.
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Deion is always teaching his kids to take it to the house.


Conventional wisdom is about getting the ball out of play. If you've got a LB (which most teams won't have in this situation) or a DB (which most of them have hard hands) in the endzone trying to catch the ball, he's just going to keep the ball in play longer than it needs to be.

However, the NFL is about adapting. DBs today have better hands than they did back in Deion's day. Knocking it down may not be the best thing to do with receivers looking for it.

But it's still ridiculous to fault Quin, or Urlacher for that play. That's what they are taught to do.

If you can't get your head around that, that's on you.
By that do you mean me or do you mean people who can't get their head around the fact that knocking it down is what CBs are taught to do and have been taught to do.

Because if you're pointing that at me, you're pointing it at the wrong dude. I've defended Quin for knocking it down.

I was just pointing out that Deion, who used to always scream "Knock it down" along with Mariucci on Gameday, has now changed his philosophy because of the Quin play.
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By that do you mean me or do you mean people who can't get their head around the fact that knocking it down is what CBs are taught to do and have been taught to do.

Because if you're pointing that at me, you're pointing it at the wrong dude. I've defended Quin for knocking it down.

I was just pointing out that Deion, who used to always scream "Knock it down" along with Mariucci on Gameday, has now changed his philosophy because of the Quin play.
I was agreeing with you.

By the same token, if you've got a Deion Sanders or someone who has proven he's got great hands, nobody is going to say anything if he catches the ball.

Game over & ultimately, that's what you're going for.

But if he doesn't catch it & he's got defenders all around it who do catch it because he kept the ball alive, you'll hear from every freak'n coach & talking head out there, that he should've just knocked it down.
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Default Re: Why did Urlacher knock it down?

lolol, may as well merge this thread with the Glover thread from last year.
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Because the player from behind whacked him, IMO.
Bingo, he was going to catch it, & his own teammate Craig Stelz hit his hands from behind trying to knock it down causing Urlacher to lose it.
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