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Old 12-04-2011   #61
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Looks like his arm is in there to me.....
watch NFL Network they show a perfect replay, KJAC had no impact on that play. Julios bad hands are what impacted that play.
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Looks like his arm is in there to me.....
No, his arm is underneath Jones' arm.

EDIT: But it's not clear from that photo what impact KJ's arm/hand may have had after the photo was snapped.
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watch NFL Network they show a perfect replay, KJAC had no impact on that play. Julios bad hands are what impacted that play.
why watch a replay when you can CLEARLY see his arm in a still picture, put down the beer and get some sleep old man, we won
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No, his arm is underneath Jones' arm.
underneath HITTING HIS ARM, you ever try to catch a ball while someone was hitting your arm? thats what corners do, his your arms or the ball....quit bitching like little school girls already my god
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Texans obviously still need to work on defending Hail Mary passes as there were 3 guys standing there looking at Julio. It was poorly defended.

C'mon, Wade ... look up 2010 vs. Jaguars???

And we also had an awful end zone breakdown on White's TD.

But KJ had an overall pretty good game, nice interception.
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yeah i realized that after i had already posted. oh well, he was beat and the ball was under thrown, let me watch it again.

Yeah the ball was badly thrown and right to him. Matt Ryan had a lot of nad throws today, but hey congrats to Kjac for getting the INT.
Yet you conveniently ignore my argument. He was not beat. He just picked up a man who probably should have been covered by the safeties. This was originally Joseph's man. Both safeties bit the run fake.

As for the last play. I was at the game at the opposite endzone so couldn't say for sure. I watched the replays and agree that KJ should had made a better play on the ball. He had better positioning and had tracked the ball before the receiver looked at it. At that point he should have beat him to the spot and made an attempt and knocking the ball down
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why watch a replay when you can CLEARLY see his arm in a still picture, put down the beer and get some sleep old man, we won
yeah his "Hand" was in there but he didnt even pull Julios arm down our touch the ball. he had no effect on that play. The highlights are there, i think some just refuse to watch.
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yeah his "Hand" was in there but he didnt even pull Julios arm down our touch the ball. he had no effect on that play. The highlights are there, i think some just refuse to watch.
You should call out TJ Yates while you're at it for throwing that pick-6. That result was just as meaningless.
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Default Re: When do we end the Kareem experiment?

Some people are still stuck in last year. Just face it, KJ is improving and Kubiak is a good coach.
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yeah his "Hand" was in there but he didnt even pull Julios arm down our touch the ball. he had no effect on that play. The highlights are there, i think some just refuse to watch.
I've watched the NFL Network replay a number of times now and KJ's glove is clearly visible on Jones' arm the entire time the ball is in play.

It's not clear that KJ is pulling Jones' arm down.

It's also not clear that he isn't.
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underneath HITTING HIS ARM, you ever try to catch a ball while someone was hitting your arm? thats what corners do, his your arms or the ball....quit bitching like little school girls already my god
The histrionics are all yours.

I was making an observation.
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I've watched the NFL Network replay a number of times now and KJ's glove is clearly visible on Jones' arm the entire time the ball is in play.

It's not clear that KJ is pulling Jones' arm down.

It's also not clear that he isn't.
KJ could have playd that one better; but still he recovered and put his arm between Julio arms (that's what a CB is supposed to do) and thenpulled on Julio's left arm.
He was credited with a pass defended by NFL.com

3-15-HOU 30 (:01) (Shotgun) 2-M.Ryan pass incomplete deep left to 11-J.Jones (25-K.Jackson).

If Jackson had nothing to do with the play, he wouldn't have been credited with anything.

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His INT came on the 2-man route that I had described several times.
Jackson was the off-side CB (RCB).
The receiver (White) came from the other side of the field (JJo's man).
Julio was Jackson's man; he ran the crossing route while White ran the post route.
The Texans had a drop-kick call on, Jackson did his job nicely and intercepted the ball.

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KJ could have playd that one better; but still he recovered and put his arm between Julio arms (that's what a CB is supposed to do) and thenpulled on Julio's left arm.
He was credited with a pass defended by NFL.com

3-15-HOU 30 (:01) (Shotgun) 2-M.Ryan pass incomplete deep left to 11-J.Jones (25-K.Jackson).

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His INT came on the 2-man route that I had described several times.
Jackson was the off-side CB (LCB).
The receiver (White) came from the other side of the field (JJo's man).
Julio was Jackson's man; he ran the crossing route while White ran the post route.
The Texans had a drop-kick call on, Jackson did his job nicely and intercepted the ball.

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Quit being HATERS! LOL!
Jackson did not pull Julios arm down. Like i told everyone, watch NFL Network they have the perfect replay to show KJAC did nothing but give Julio a perfect chance to tie the game.
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Jackson did not pull Julios arm down. Like i told everyone, watch NFL Network they have the perfect replay to show KJAC did nothing but give Julio a perfect chance to tie the game.
I did!

Quit being a HATER!

When you refuse to take NFL.com assesment, you might want to... never mind!

I won't respond to you again on this matter.
It was booked as a PD by Jackson.
Deal with it!
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watch this at the 3:05 minute mark, julio jones swats his own ball down. Kjac had nothing to do with him not catching the ball

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h...ans-highlights
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those stats prove nothing for KJ considering J Allen played half the time.
Actually it makes KJ look a lot better when you factor that he got 3 tackles, 1 INT, and 1 PD in half the defensive snaps.

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I have had enough. That last play could havwe cost us a W. How many plays do we let this guy give up before we end this. Very frustrating to watch.
Julio Jones had the ball in his hands. Kj grabbed one of his arms causing the ball to not be in his hands by the time his feet hit the ground.

Of course, if that were you or me out there, the ball would never have been in Jones' hands, but a pass defended is a pass defended.
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by the time Kjac finally starts pulling his arm down, the ball is already out of Julios hands. Jackson had bad coverage. 76 even if he had caught that ball you would still defend Jackson. When it comes to Kjac i listen to you about as much as a 16 year old listens to their parents.
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watch this at the 3:05 minute mark, julio jones swats his own ball down. Kjac had nothing to do with him not catching the ball

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h...ans-highlights
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