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Old 12-04-2011   #41
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He was watching the play, like he was a paying customer who had the best seat in the house. LOL.

I had my hands on top of my head, jaw dropped, eyes bugged out. I couldn't even talk for about 5 seconds after the play was over. I just was frozen in that position, in a mini-coma from the shock of how Julio Jones dropped the pass and KJ had zero impact on the play. Zero.
yeah i know, i think some people didnt see that play and are just chimming in, oh well we got luck we won. And we are 9-3 so i'll take it, but i still feel KJACs coverage will come back to bite us in a game that REALLY REALLY matters.
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KJ was part of the problem last year. KJ is part of the success this year.
Exactly. While he isn't a great CB, he is doing much better than last year. If he keeps improving, he might be a great CB. I see no sense in still being mad at him for his pathetic play last year. That's last year, and this is a new year and we got the number 1 defense in the NFL. Still.
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Yeah, they switch in and out because they play about at the same level and stay fresh this way. I never said he plays the same level as JoJo. Jojo is a beast and a top5 CB in the league. KJ is slightly above average and somewhere around the top 30-40 CB in the league.

I just say: whenever KJ makes a mistake a lot of guys go out very vocally and say: he sucks, cut him, end the experiment. Now he didn`t make a lot of mistakes the last 6 weeks so we didn`t hear a lot about this, but today because he ALMOST allowed a last second catch (after playing pretty decent before) the discussion starts again.

But when a guy like JoJo makes a mistake (he was burned in the 1st quarter as well, and he allowed a couple of other catches) we don`t hear much criticism because we know how good he is.

Now just believe, that KJ isn`t that bad as you think. He is decent. Not a #1 CB but a more than serviceable #2CB. About as good as Allen (Allen makes the INTs, KJ makes the big tackles in run support and ST) but still a couple of years younger.

KJ was part of the problem last year. KJ is part of the success this year.
Great post, I agree with a lot of it. I think KJ and Allen are around the same level and I love the combination we've been using recently.

The improvement that KJ has made this year is lightyears away from where he was last year, imagine if he can continue to improve at this rate. We as fans have to remember he's a second yearp layer
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If KJ was playing poorly we'd be seeing him a lot more often. Aside from his pick, and a big hit to break up a play (on a guy he wasn't even covering), and that hail mary, I didn't see Jackson often. Was pretty happy with that.
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I have had enough. That last play could havwe cost us a W. How many plays do we let this guy give up before we end this. Very frustrating to watch.
Woulda Coulda Shoulda ...... and if frog a woulda had wings they wouldnt bump their ass when they hop.


Jackson had a pretty solid day as did the entire defense giving up just .... 10 points to an offense who threw the ball 40+ times today.
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Great post, I agree with a lot of it. I think KJ and Allen are around the same level and I love the combination we've been using recently.

The improvement that KJ has made this year is lightyears away from where he was last year, imagine if he can continue to improve at this rate. We as fans have to remember he's a second yearp layer
I think the improvement of the defense as a whole is why a lot of people say "I think KJ has improved from last year."

No pass rush last year, subpar LB play, and a weak Safety (Pollard) against the pass meant the CBs had to play up a little bit...and they didn't. Now we have a pass rush, we have a real safety (Manning) and a real d-coord (Phillips), and a true #1 CB to play against teams' best WR; it all means KJ's ineffectiveness gets masked a little bit better.

That last play, IMO, is the crux of the KJ problem--A bit slow to make a play when it's a deeper pass thrown on him. Good at the shallow stuff, don't get me wrong, but long passes seem to be his downfall a lot.

I give him credit, though: Makes sure tackles in the run game, held onto his interception today, and played pretty good overall.
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I have had enough. That last play could havwe cost us a W. How many plays do we let this guy give up before we end this. Very frustrating to watch.
Atlanta averages 23.5 ppg. Today they got 10.
Matty Ice averages a 62.4 % percentage. Today he was around 43%.
He averages 7.33 yards a pass completion, today he got 5.8.
His typical QB rating is 89.3. Today it was 52.7.

KJ had 1 pass deflection and 1 INT. Was he a superstar? No. Did he play poorly? nope.

Sorry, your argument falls flat on its face. Next time use stats, not emotion.
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Facts are the defense only gave up 10 pts against a very high powered offense.

KJ didn't have a good game today. But he's so much better than he was last yr. Atleast he didn't allow any huge game changing plays.
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Atlanta averages 23.5 ppg. Today they got 10.
Matty Ice averages a 62.4 % percentage. Today he was around 43%.
He averages 7.33 yards a pass completion, today he got 5.8.
His typical QB rating is 89.3. Today it was 52.7.

KJ had 1 pass deflection and 1 INT. Was he a superstar? No. Did he play poorly? nope.

Sorry, your argument falls flat on its face. Next time use stats, not emotion.
Those numbers force his credibility meter into a nose dive ...... Somewhere near absolute zero.
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Atlanta averages 23.5 ppg. Today they got 10.
Matty Ice averages a 62.4 % percentage. Today he was around 43%.
He averages 7.33 yards a pass completion, today he got 5.8.
His typical QB rating is 89.3. Today it was 52.7.

KJ had 1 pass deflection and 1 INT. Was he a superstar? No. Did he play poorly? nope.

Sorry, your argument falls flat on its face. Next time use stats, not emotion.
those stats prove nothing for KJ considering J Allen played half the time.
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u do realize he was beat on his INT right, thank god the ball was underthrown and the WR had to turn around and run back like 10 yards to try to stop it....haha
Now I know you are grasping at straws. That wasn't even his man.

Kareem was covering the left half. His man ran a slant route. Both safeties bit the flea flicker. Joseph released white to cover the slant as he ran towards his sideline. Luckily KJ was there to cover the skinny post route. He wasn't beat, and you can see him waiting on the ball.
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u do realize he was beat on his INT right, thank god the ball was underthrown and the WR had to turn around and run back like 10 yards to try to stop it....haha
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Now I know you are grasping at straws. That wasn't even his man.

Kareem was covering the left half. His man ran a slant route. Both safeties bit the flea flicker. Joseph released white to cover the slant as he ran towards his sideline. Luckily KJ was there to cover the skinny post route. He wasn't beat, and you can see him waiting on the ball.
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Shut up , go drink another beer ..... game over 17-10 Texans WIN.
....even with Kareem. The Texans must be really good.
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Now I know you are grasping at straws. That wasn't even his man.

Kareem was covering the left half. His man ran a slant route. Both safeties bit the flea flicker. Joseph released white to cover the slant as he ran towards his sideline. Luckily KJ was there to cover the skinny post route. He wasn't beat, and you can see him waiting on the ball.
dude go watch NFL Network they have a perfect replay that shows KJac having NO impact on the play. Julio Dropped it, Kjac got lucky. I'm not grasping at straws. The proof is in all the different camera angels on replays. Go watch them all and you tell me that KJac made a play, you wont be able to.
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psst, Ellis - he's talking about a different play now, you know - the other one you brought up?
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dude go watch NFL Network they have a perfect replay that shows KJac having NO impact on the play. Julio Dropped it, Kjac got lucky. I'm not grasping at straws. The proof is in all the different camera angels on replays. Go watch them all and you tell me that KJac made a play, you wont be able to.
Wow, Now I know you are delusional. You don't even know what plays you are referring to now.


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Wow, Now I know you are delusional. You don't even know what plays you are referring to now.


BUt BUT BUT KJ GOT BURNNEED Incomprehensible logic mixed with burnt toast analogies.
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yeah i realized that after i had already posted. oh well, he was beat and the ball was under thrown, let me watch it again.

Yeah the ball was badly thrown and right to him. Matt Ryan had a lot of nad throws today, but hey congrats to Kjac for getting the INT.
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