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Old 12-04-2011   #21
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We end it when we get someone better. McCain had a really rough game too. I think we replace Jason Allen with another vet in the post season.
only tied for most picks on the team, only stopped a TD pass in the 4th by the falcons.
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Totally lucky he didn't cost the team. Again. Dude is the opposite of ball hawk. More like a dick swallow.
You think dick is the opposite of ball? I'm not sure what your situation is, but I've always considered the two a tandem.
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We all know you hate KJ. But for argument's sake, have you gone back and looked at every one of Allen's INTs and decided if they were HIS doing or the QB making a bad play, or the defensive line had good pressure?

Tired of people downplaying these things. A sack is a sack, even if you didn't get blocked. A touchdown is a touchdown, even if it wasn't pretty. And an interception is an interception.

There are no asterisks. The ref does not give us the ball 20 yards downfeild
yeah 3 of allens were good and 1 was a give me, that equals 4 BTW. And Kareems (1) was a give me.
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We won the game today and he got an INT.

Go find another scapegoat.
The guy is a scapegoat even when we win.
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yeah 3 of allens were good and 1 was a give me, that equals 4 BTW. And Kareems (1) was a give me.
You are the guy who thinks the best defender in the NBA is the guy who gets the most steals I bet.
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Alright - take a look back at the season: how often was KJ abused? How many games did he cost us?

In our 6 game winning streak KJ has played great - every guy makes mistakes and every CB allows some catches. KJ hasn`t allowed a lot of them and hasn`t been out of position a lot. And even the elite guys like Revis and JoJo have broken plays, bad coverage or are out of position sometimes.

KJ will never be Revis - but right now KJ is the guy Kubiak hoped to draft last year. An exceptional good tackler that will get beat now and then but will give the pass rush time and make a challenge for the opposing receivers.

And todays game: he went up against possibly the best WR duo in the league and a pretty decent passer. How many passes did he allow? How many passes did JoJo allow? That last play was closer than Id ve liked, but he made the play.

KJ looked bad once this season - yeah, once. And that was against the Sainst with possible the 2nd best QB playing right now. Brees made some great throws and the WR ran some great routes - but KJ got beat more than Id like. But after that game he was one of the better CB in all of football and definetly a worthy #2.
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The guy is a scapegoat even when we win.
i will drop it but mark my words, his coverage will come back to bite us in the ass, in a game where there is no other game if you dont win.
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Kareem completely blew it on the last play, Julio had both hands on the ball and dropped it.
In a way, I'm glad KJ didn't go after that ball until after Jones touched it. The way the refs were calling against us today, he would have surely been called for pass interference.
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Alright - take a look back at the season: how often was KJ abused? How many games did he cost us?

In our 6 game winning streak KJ has played great - every guy makes mistakes and every CB allows some catches. KJ hasn`t allowed a lot of them and hasn`t been out of position a lot. And even the elite guys like Revis and JoJo have broken plays, bad coverage or are out of position sometimes.

KJ will never be Revis - but right now KJ is the guy Kubiak hoped to draft last year. An exceptional good tackler that will get beat now and then but will give the pass rush time and make a challenge for the opposing receivers.

And todays game: he went up against possibly the best WR duo in the league and a pretty decent passer. How many passes did he allow? How many passes did JoJo allow? That last play was closer than Id ve liked, but he made the play.

KJ looked bad once this season - yeah, once. And that was against the Sainst with possible the 2nd best QB playing right now. Brees made some great throws and the WR ran some great coverages - but KJ got beat more than Id like. But after that game he was one of the better CB in all of football and definetly a worthy #2.
I would rep you but I have to spread.

Since I agree with all of it. I have nothing else to say here.
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i will drop it but mark my words, his coverage will come back to bite us in the ass, in a game where there is no other game if you dont win.
Sure sounds like you hope it happens just so you can be right. I hope the Texans win no matter what, regardless if it takes a WR to drop the ball, or if Allen gets 5 interceptions. I root for the Texans, not against players.
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The guy is a scapegoat even when we win.
He could run back a pick 6 to win the Super Bowl and he'd still catch hell.

It's time to give it a rest.
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Sure sounds like you hope it happens just so you can be right. I hope the Texans win no matter what, regardless if it takes a WR to drop the ball, or if Allen gets 5 interceptions. I root for the Texans, not against players.
No i hope it dont happen, but people refuse to see what a liability KJ is, and it will end up biting us in the ass.
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I don't think much of KJ, but slow that last play down - look at it again - KJ got his hand in there just in the nick of time.

KJ made the play.
I dunno. I saw Jones drop the pass and KJ's hand come in after he had already dropped it. Will look at it again, though.
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I dunno. I saw Jones drop the pass and KJ's hand come in after he had already dropped it. Will look at it again, though.
i have looked at it 100 times and that is what happened, KJ had no impact on the play even though he was standing right beside Julio.
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i will drop it but mark my words, his coverage will come back to bite us in the ass, in a game where there is no other game if you dont win.
Right now we have the #1 defense of the NFL - and KJ is a starter on that defense. If I remember correctly we also have the #1 pass defense and KJ is a starter on that defense.

Is that because of the pass rush? The pass rush needs time to get there, the CB need to give them the time. Last year they (including KJ) didn`t - this year they (including KJ) do.

Is it then because of the safety help? A little, sure? Last year our safeties sucked in coverage this year they are pretty good. But I don`t remember them helping KJ out all the time. And really, the best CBs usually have some good safeties to help out.

KJ was pathetic for the most part of last season. This season a lot of people only look for mistakes because they`ve already made up their mind about him. Give him a chance and look at him the same way you look at Allen our even JoJo.

You want an example of the subjective nature of judging him? How many jokes about him falling down do we hear regularly? When did he last fell down?
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Right now we have the #1 defense of the NFL - and KJ is a starter on that defense. If I remember correctly we also have the #1 pass defense and KJ is a starter on that defense.

Is that because of the pass rush? The pass rush needs time to get there, the CB need to give them the time. Last year they (including KJ) didn`t - this year they (including KJ) do.

Is it then because of the safety help? A little, sure? Last year our safeties sucked in coverage this year they are pretty good. But I don`t remember them helping KJ out all the time. And really, the best CBs usually have some good safeties to help out.

KJ was pathetic for the most part of last season. This season a lot of people only look for mistakes because they`ve already made up their mind about him. Give him a chance and look at him the same way you look at Allen our even JoJo.

You want an example of the subjective nature of judging him? How many jokes about him falling down do we hear regularly? When did he last fell down?
If u watch the games u will see that allen is in on 50% of the the plays, KJAC and allen switch in and out a lot. KJac is not in the same league as JoJo.
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i have looked at it 100 times and that is what happened, KJ had no impact on the play even though he was standing right beside Julio.
He was watching the play, like he was a paying customer who had the best seat in the house. LOL.

I had my hands on top of my head, jaw dropped, eyes bugged out. I couldn't even talk for about 5 seconds after the play was over. I just was frozen in that position, in a mini-coma from the shock of how Julio Jones dropped the pass and KJ had zero impact on the play. Zero.
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Yeah, they switch in and out because they play about at the same level and stay fresh this way. I never said he plays the same level as JoJo. Jojo is a beast and a top5 CB in the league. KJ is slightly above average and somewhere around the top 30-40 CB in the league.

I just say: whenever KJ makes a mistake a lot of guys go out very vocally and say: he sucks, cut him, end the experiment. Now he didn`t make a lot of mistakes the last 6 weeks so we didn`t hear a lot about this, but today because he ALMOST allowed a last second catch (after playing pretty decent before) the discussion starts again.

But when a guy like JoJo makes a mistake (he was burned in the 1st quarter as well, and he allowed a couple of other catches) we don`t hear much criticism because we know how good he is.

Now just believe, that KJ isn`t that bad as you think. He is decent. Not a #1 CB but a more than serviceable #2CB. About as good as Allen (Allen makes the INTs, KJ makes the big tackles in run support and ST) but still a couple of years younger.

KJ was part of the problem last year. KJ is part of the success this year.
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