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Old 04-27-2005   #1
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Question Ike Bruce??

So I was browsing the FFToday boards today, and many of those guys, including rams fans, seem to think that Isaac Bruce will be released as of June 1. They also believe that Johnnie Morton, Koren Robinson, and Peter Warrick will all be cut. And then there's Javon Walker who is holding out for more money, and of course that tool T.O.

What do you guys think our chances are of landing any of these guys as a #2? I know Robinson has attitude problems, but hey, they might not be as bad as everybody thinks(TJ).
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no chance, with mathis added to the group i dont see them adding someone else now.
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Andre Johnson, Jerome Mathis, Corey Bradford, Jabar Gaffney, Derrick Armstrong, Kendrick Starling, Sloan Thomas


What in the world are we gonna do with another wide receiver?

TEs and Tackles please. Another Dlineman and somemore depth at ILB wouldnt hurt either.
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Our chances would be great If Jerry jones or Dan Snyder owned the Texans.
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Our chances would be great If Jerry jones or Dan Snyder owned the Texans.
Or Mark Cuban.
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no chance, with mathis added to the group i dont see them adding someone else now.
Im as optomistic about mathis as the next guy, but to think that he is going to step in right away and be the #2 that we need to is ridiculous.

Signing an isaac bruce for 1-2 years would be perfect...
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Im as optomistic about mathis as the next guy, but to think that he is going to step in right away and be the #2 that we need to is ridiculous.

Signing an isaac bruce for 1-2 years would be perfect...
I dont recall ANYONE every saying Mathis is going to be the #2 this year. Also, I think we already have a pretty solid recieving core right now. They arent great, but better than alot of teams. Bradford is a decent #2 and Gaffeny is great in the slot. I think Mathis will be the #2 next year to stretch the def for AJ.
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dont recall ANYONE every saying Mathis is going to be the #2 this year. Also, I think we already have a pretty solid recieving core right now. They arent great, but better than alot of teams. Bradford is a decent #2 and Gaffeny is great in the slot. I think Mathis will be the #2 next year to stretch the def for AJ.
Hmmmmmmm

It seems to me most teams have two WRs that can catch 50 balls. We have one that is a decent possession WR but no real threat and a speed guy that disappears for games at a time. If that is a good WR group (outside of AJ) then I'd hate to see a bad one.
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Hmmmmmmm

It seems to me most teams have two WRs that can catch 50 balls. We have one that is a decent possession WR but no real threat and a speed guy that disappears for games at a time. If that is a good WR group (outside of AJ) then I'd hate to see a bad one.
Seattle... they cant even catch the ball
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Did somebody say Bradford was a decent #2. If Ike Bruce is available, and the price is right, its no question that we should make a move, not to mention he's the type of character guy that the organization likes (Ordained Minister).
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Hmmmmmmm

It seems to me most teams have two WRs that can catch 50 balls. We have one that is a decent possession WR but no real threat and a speed guy that disappears for games at a time. If that is a good WR group (outside of AJ) then I'd hate to see a bad one.
Really, would that be:

New England--nope.
Philly--nope.
Pittsburgh--nope.
Atlanta--nope.
Indy--yup.
Minnesota--nope.
St. Louis--yup.
NYJets--nope.
Green Bay--yup.
Denver--yup.
San Diego--nope.
Seattle--nope.

Hmmm, at least for play-off teams (by definition, the most successful last year) that would be 8 nopes and 4 yups. Maybe you set the bar a tad high.
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Hmmm, at least for play-off teams (by definition, the most successful last year) that would be 8 nopes and 4 yups. Maybe you set the bar a tad high.
Okay, let's go team by team:

Philly- I'd agree they have one great one and mediocrity for the rests, but they would say that is one of their weaknesses.

New England- They may not have two fifty guys but they have three or four fourty plus guys.

Pittsburgh- A great running attack and Plaxico Burress was hurt most of the season. Still, they have a much better group then we have collectively.

Atlanta- they came close but they don't have an AJ. I would think Atlanta wants to improve their unit.

Minnesota- Moss is better than AJ and their number two was a more consistent deep threat than Bradford.

Jets- definitely more a running offense than ours. They don't have a game breaker like AJ but they have better all-around guys.

San Diego- I consider their tight end almost like a reciever.

Seattle- point taken.

I think my point is still clear. The teams that have situations worse than ours or equal to ours ALL wanted to improve their reciever situations. So should we, so no, I don't think I'm setting the bar too high.
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I think my point is still clear. The teams that have situations worse than ours or equal to ours ALL wanted to improve their reciever situations. So should we, so no, I don't think I'm setting the bar too high.
Of course the team should constantly be looking to improve and every team wants more and more production out of their skill positions. That said, the literal statement of most have two guys with over 50 receptions isn't accurate--they want it sure, but they don't have it.
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We have one that is a decent possession WR but no real threat and a speed guy that disappears for games at a time.
i really can't get into this mentality. if a WR can run, jump and consistantly catch the football how are they not a 'threat'? i saw jabar score a few times last year . as for bradford disapearing, i'm sure he didn't do it by choice. it takes at least six guys (T to T and QB) to get one wide reciever the football, so the odds of bradfords production drop being all on him are pretty slim. and for the most part, better teams produce player's with better numbers. if we can get the offense clicking to the level we expect it to next season and bradford drops a few balls that should have been caught, i'll discuss this in a different light; but for now bradford is a solid #2 as much as gaffney is fully capable of being a 'threat'.
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That said, the literal statement of most have two guys with over 50 receptions isn't accurate--they want it sure, but they don't have it.
Okay, lets take a look at just the AFC since they are our main competition

Bengals- Johnson 95, Housh. 73
Bills- Moulds 88, Evans 48
Broncos- Smith 79, Lelie 54
Browns- Northcutt 55, Bryant 42
Chargers- Gates 81, Parker 47
Chiefs- Gonzalez 102, Kennison 62, Morton 55
Colts- Harrison 86, Wayne 77, Stokley 68
Dolphins- McMichael 73, Chambers 69, Booker 50
Jags- Smith 74, Edwards 50
Jets- McCareins 56, Moss 45
Patriots- Givens 56, Patten 44
Raiders- Porter 64, Curry 50
Ravens- Johnson 35, Taylor 34
Steelers- Ward 80, Randel El 43
Texans- Johnson 79, Gaffney 41
Titans- Mason 96, Bennent 80

Okay, by my count eight out sixteen teams had two recievers with 50 or more receptions, but three other teams came with five catches of doing that. Only one team had a second reciever with fewer catches than the Texans. Honestly, I think we can say the Ravens, Browns, Jets, and maybe the Pats had worse wide reciever situatuations than us. I'll do the NFC soon.

As for how a wide reciever can disappear? Well, he simply doesn't get open enough to get the ball. Bradford has always tantilized us with his skills, but he has never produced consistently. Honestly, I thought he would be one of the expansion/first free agent guys to get jettisoned. Oh well.........
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If we brought in Buchannon and gave Glenn his papers, We could bring in Bruce and give Bradford his papers.
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look at detroit. they've picked 3 of the most talented Wr's in the draft the past 3 years. you know what though, they're still gonna suck and may have some cap problems in the coming years. you can't always have the best at every position. did everybody give up on gaff or what? the guy came out early and this will be his 4th year and he should improve like every year he's been here. plus armstrong hasn't really been given a chance to shine either. another thing, i'd throw out there is there's alot more competition at the WR spot, so this should improve play by everybody.
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look at detroit. they've picked 3 of the most talented Wr's in the draft the past 3 years. you know what though, they're still gonna suck and may have some cap problems in the coming years.
They will make the playoffs this year. Orlovsky = Marino.
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They will make the playoffs this year. Orlovsky = Marino

are you kidding? the texans have a better chance to make the playoffs.
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I think IF Charles Rogers stays healthy, he will get traded after this season.
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