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Old 11-30-2011   #1
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So this question is asked of you as a fan and a fan base. As I see it we will more than likely back in to the playoffs. Unless Yates turns out to be Tom Brady Lite, then we won't last long in the playoffs.

With this said that means from here on out this team is playing with the houses money. So if we go 10-6 and TJ isn't lighting it up, and acting as a guy under center handing the ball off 90% of the plays isn't getting in done are you allright with Kubiak going big and going all "Mad Offensive Scientist" during the playoffs?
I'm not talking trick plays every down but very unconventional stuff with trick plays thrown in. Almost all NFL Coaches play not to lose 75% the time. The only real unconventional gambler out there in my opinion is Sean Payton with onside kicks and such.

Strategically in an Art of War sense we will more than likely be a much weaker opponent in the playoffs. A force of 1,000 men would never go up against a force of 10,000 head to head. The smaller force needs a tactical advantage very its terrain, technological, or tactics. In the NFL the terrain is the same for both teams, and there is no technological advantage, the only advantage is tactical. So if Kubiak goes in and trys to slug it out odds are we're one and done.

So what if Wade calls his game as is because it works, but what if Kubes goes all "Animal backed in a corner" on opposing teams. If Kubiak goes very unconventional is that his tactical advantage?

I think the only way to win is a game plan that is so unconventional that defenses can't get a grip. This is easier said than done, but if it were so easy wouldn't everybody do it. I say no since most coaches don't want to be judged by the owner and fan base for bone headed plays. However Kubiak has nothing to lose in my opionion, but would you as a fan be cool with going all out?
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For me, it depends entirely on the matchup. If we face a high scoring team in the playoffs, let Kubiak go crazy with the play-calls. If we face a low scoring team, trust the D.

That being said, I would bet heavily on Kubes being very conservative on the play-calls for the remainder of the regular season. Our playoff spot is ours to lose.
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He should

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He as nothing to lose.
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Gary will continue to "dance with who brung him." We have great defense to keep us in games against anyone. We have two very good RBs and Ward ain't bad. TJ doesn't have to be Schaub just manage the game and don't lose it forcing throws or fumbling. Yates is more mobile than Schaub so that cannot hurt.
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Default Re: Is Kubiak free to let it all hang out from here on out?

Um, if Kubiak starts having Yates throw the ball 40 or 50 times a game and we lose our way out of our first playoff berth the same old bullshit would kick up just as bad as before.
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Default Re: Is Kubiak free to let it all hang out from here on out?

We must use our greatest strength, our defense, to force other teams into mistakes - spell that penalties (because they fear our pass rush) or even better, turnovers - hopefully a pick-six or scoop & score.

We must hide our weakness - rookie QB - by successfully establishing our running attack but passing just enough to keep them from bunching 8-9 in the box. When they do that, stack the box, we must make them pay.

And I don't get how you're thinking that "we will more than likely back in to the playoffs" if we win our division.
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He should

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He as nothing to lose.
I disagree, going crazy and landing a 8-8 season having Tennessee take the first place in the South WOULD be a loss. Trying to sneak in a couple of wins and possibly taking the South WOULD result in playoffs.

We have everything to lose.
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Vs Atlanta he could.... But should not. Take it as it comes for Yates, no sense in risking his confidence right out of the gate.
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So this question is asked of you as a fan and a fan base. As I see it we will more than likely back in to the playoffs. Unless Yates turns out to be Tom Brady Lite, then we won't last long in the playoffs.]
Why are we going to "back" into the play-offs?

If we thought we had a chance to get into the play-offs & do something with Leinart, why can't we do something with Yates? At least, I think, let him play a game he's prepared for before we say he can't do it.

We weren't asking Leinart to set the league on fire. We felt if he could just "manage" the game & not try to prove he belongs in the league, we've got a shot at something special.

From what we've seen so far, I see no reason to believe we can't go forward with that "game manager" approach, or that Yates can't be that manager.
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Vs Atlanta he could.... But should not. Take it as it comes for Yates, no sense in risking his confidence right out of the gate.
I believe we should play as if Yates were Schaub. We know he's not, but he's a QB. If Yates was not worthy of throwing the ball when the play calls for it, then no sense carrying a 2nd/3rd string roster slot.

To ignore the Yates factor, for a second, the smart play is still to take what the Defense will give. For Atlanta, with a stout run D and a VERY suspect 2ndary, IMHO, that says throw it.

Back to Yates. He's obviously the wild card. No way we want to ask the rookie in his first start to go all "Cam Newton". But, throughout the season, Schaub has not been asked to make 40 throws either. In Atlanta, if there's ever a game to ask Yates to step in and throw the pigskin around, this is the week.

Ultimately, the Texans' offense has been a balanced, play-action team all year and have had success. Keep that pot boiling if possible.
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I believe we should play as if Yates were Schaub. We know he's not, but he's a QB. If Yates was not worthy of throwing the ball when the play calls for it, then no sense carrying a 2nd/3rd string roster slot.To ignore the Yates factor, for a second, the smart play is still to take what the Defense will give. For Atlanta, with a stout run D and a VERY suspect 2ndary, IMHO, that says throw it.

Back to Yates. He's obviously the wild card. No way we want to ask the rookie in his first start to go all "Cam Newton". But, throughout the season, Schaub has not been asked to make 40 throws either. In Atlanta, if there's ever a game to ask Yates to step in and throw the pigskin around, this is the week.

Ultimately, the Texans' offense has been a balanced, play-action team all year and have had success. Keep that pot boiling if possible.
Remember when Kubiak believed in only carrying 2 QBs on the roster? Boy I bet he's glad he made the choice to keep 3 for some reason this year.
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I really think it just all depends. Speaking in general, I'd like to see him take it up one notch at a time. Let Yetties prove himself when necessary or when applicable at least, then let Yotes do more if he earns it. Eventually, we will hopefully see Yates winning games like a real live starting QB. Course, if we get behind enough against whoever, you gotta let it fly, even if it's soon.

I hope Yates is the real deal, but there's no need to go crazy right from the start if we can win with him just "managing."
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I'd throw a bomb on the first play in Atl. I wouldn't go completely mad scientist though. This offense is about ball control, consistent 4-7 yard gains and hoping eventually the opposing D just tires out or makes a big mistake.

If they plan on stacking safeties in the box though, I'd start throwing it deep to whoever they leave on an island. If I'm callin plays a win vs. Atl is NOT worth the health of Foster or Tate to me. I'm not calling for them to pound it into a brick wall 30 times just because Yates is inexperienced. Inexperience and suck are two completely different things.
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Remember when Kubiak believed in only carrying 2 QBs on the roster? Boy I bet he's glad he made the choice to keep 3 for some reason this year.
We've had 3 QBs on the roster for a while.

Usually, we only activate 2 for Game day.
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Let it all hang out - man I hope not, that sounds kinda dirty...
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Vs Atlanta he could.... But should not. Take it as it comes for Yates, no sense in risking his confidence right out of the gate.
Except that the first opponent is Atlanta...the one w/ the damaged secondary. You attack your enemy's weak points. If Kubiak goes run, run, pass (or run, run, run) all game, I guarantee a loss.

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I'd throw a bomb on the first play in Atl. I wouldn't go completely mad scientist though. This offense is about ball control, consistent 4-7 yard gains and hoping eventually the opposing D just tires out or makes a big mistake.

If they plan on stacking safeties in the box though, I'd start throwing it deep to whoever they leave on an island. If I'm callin plays a win vs. Atl is NOT worth the health of Foster or Tate to me. I'm not calling for them to pound it into a brick wall 30 times just because Yates is inexperienced. Inexperience and suck are two completely different things.
I would too, but I'd do it in Houston where the game is. I'm with ya on pounding it into a wall - if we can't pass to keep them honest, we're done.
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I'd throw a bomb on the first play in Atl. I wouldn't go completely mad scientist though. This offense is about ball control, consistent 4-7 yard gains and hoping eventually the opposing D just tires out or makes a big mistake.

If they plan on stacking safeties in the box though, I'd start throwing it deep to whoever they leave on an island. If I'm callin plays a win vs. Atl is NOT worth the health of Foster or Tate to me. I'm not calling for them to pound it into a brick wall 30 times just because Yates is inexperienced. Inexperience and suck are two completely different things.
I was thinking that same thing- fake a handoff to Foster, hopefully the safety will bite, and let Andre run past the corner. Even if it's incomplete, or intercepted,it will at least give the Falcons' D something else to think about.
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I believe that Kubiak really has nothing to fear this year. He's not going to be fired even if we finish 8-8. I'm probably as harsh a critic as Gary Kubiak has and even I must concede that the injuries this season have been almost "old-testament plague" in nature. We are starting either a 5th round rookie or a QB who was so far down everyones list that he didn't have a job going into week 11 of the season.

If the can't get it done this year I can't rage over that.

Besides, I've seen them play some very good football this year. They look like the team I expected to show up 5-6 years ago. I'm happy. At this point I think Kubiak has a license to play this thing out however he wants. If he thinks that trying to cram the ball down other teams throats for 60 minutes is our only hope then he can feel free to try it. If he thinks Yates is ready to start slinging it around like the gunslinger we all hope he's capable of being then fine.

I'm happy. Do what you think is best Gary.
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Why are we going to "back" into the play-offs?

If we thought we had a chance to get into the play-offs & do something with Leinart, why can't we do something with Yates? At least, I think, let him play a game he's prepared for before we say he can't do it.

We weren't asking Leinart to set the league on fire. We felt if he could just "manage" the game & not try to prove he belongs in the league, we've got a shot at something special.

From what we've seen so far, I see no reason to believe we can't go forward with that "game manager" approach, or that Yates can't be that manager.
Odds are TJ isn't going to run this offense like Schaub, so we are essentially a team a peg or two down from where we were, so that's why I say we will end up backing in to the playoffs, versus kicking the door in as a force to be reckoned with.

I'm hoping TJ suprise everyone, which I'm still holding out hope that will happen. I say the end of the season will be TJ's tryout, and if its obvious he can't beat the first playoff team we face then maybe Kubiak should just go crazy.

I think all coaches in the NFL coach conservatively because of how fans react. Very few go big or go home because you get run out of town in a season or two. Name one coach that coaches like people play Madden. I'm not advocating go for it on 4th and 28, from your own 1 yard line stuff like people do in Madden, but I mean open it up.
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Kubiak will put guys in positions they can win matchups. He does that no matter who is playing.
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