Mike Lombardi says the Texans are better off without Leinart

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by TexansFanatic

He may be right. Leinart did look like the King of the Checkdown yesterday.

He makes some good points. & I initially thought the same thing when Yates came in the game.

But without coaches film, it's too hard to tell watching a game on tv if there was anything else available. I'd like to think there was, but we don't know.

Leinart also went down before the 2 minute warning, we don't know how he would have reacted in the same situation. I'm sure Matt was instructed all week long to trust Foster & don't force anything. Yates probably didn't get that same speech.

I mean the second half, Yates looked as bad if not worse than Leinart in the first half. Heck, Leinart didn't just get us close to scoring a TD, he actually threw one. Yeah, it floated, but he stood his ground & got pummeled as he threw the ball.

Just like we wanted to see.

He makes some strong points for Yates... & I do agree with those.


I have to.

[Porky]

Originally Posted by Marcus

I agree with Mike Lombardi's assessment.

I think we're going to do just fine with Yates at QB. In fact, I think Yates will have legitimate shot at being the #1 QB next season, EVEN IF Schaub makes a full recovery in time for TC next season, which I very much doubt.

I didn't realize crack came in an extra large economy size.

[Ryan]

Yates looked great in that two minute drill, but no one understands that Kubiak basically shut the offense down in the 2nd half because Yates was their only healthy and active quarterback!

He'll open things up alot more next week and i think people will be shocked with Yates.

[Hervoyel]

Originally Posted by asleep

Booo!

Kicking a man when he's down is chickensh!t.

I agree. Another talking head who can tell you exactly what would have happened if Leinart hadn't been hurt. Then he wraps it up with the easy-out of "Maybe he was going to prove me wrong" so he isn't locked into a position completely.

I thought Leinart's start was promising and that his reliance on mostly the short game had more to do with the Texans taking things slowly to help him knock the rust off.

Moot point now. It's Yates or bust so we'll all get on the TJ Yates bandwagon as we should. I notice he's already beating out Schaub for the starters position next season in some minds though.

Just as with Leinart beating Schaub out for the job I say "It would be a nice problem to have wouldn't it?".

I will say those NC-LSU highlights of Yates are very promising. I don't see the supposed lack of arm strength there. He hit a guy in stride at 50 yards. That's enough to get it done.

[GP]

We had two weeks to play imaginary games in our heads about how Leinart would come alive and we'd go on this incredible run with a storybook ending for a QB who just needed one more crack at the gig.

And DOWN GOES LEINART!

I really wonder what the psyche of ANY Texans QB can be after seeing Schaub get hurt in one game and Leinart get hurt the very next game before the half was even over yet!

It's like staring at the roulette wheel, looking at the board, and thinking "It can't continue to hit red. It's been red 12 times in a row. I'm betting black." And WHAMMO! it hits red. Then you bet red and it hits black.

This is the major problem facing the Texans: They're running out of QBs, and Kubiak has got to threaten testicular castration of every one of his offensive linemen if they let TJ Yates get dusted up on the field.

I think we'll see a lot of holding calls on our offensive line now. I have a feeling if the o-lineman thinks he might get beaten and get Yates hurt..he's going to grab the rusher's jersey and try to keep Yates upright.

[EllisUnit]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

I'm not buying that for a second. Laeinart looked alright yesterday and threw a really nice TD pass and had some momentum going for him. He is waaaayy better than Yates on paper. Yates couldn't get anything going on offense yesterday at all and with him in there I think this offense is going to be extremely more limited. Kubiak isn't going to trust him either.

seriously, in the 2 minute drill he looked damn good, and he was in a no win situation, you come out and run it on first and 2nd and then you HAVE to throw it on 3rd and long, what do you expect. Let him practice and get into a rythm with the WRs and TEs and the boy will be just fine.

[kiwitexansfan]

I didn't read the post, it lost all credibility for me when he said Mario Williams was our best defensive player.

:sarcarsm:

FWIW, I don't buy the better off with Yates thing but time will tell if Yates can get us anywhere.

[Ryan]

Originally Posted by kiwitexansfan

I didn't read the post, it lost all credibility for me when he said Mario Williams was our best defensive player.

:sarcarsm:

FWIW, I don't buy the better off with Yates thing but time will tell if Yates can get us anywhere.

EDIT: nvm, just saw your sarcasm.

[Kthx]

Well my impression of Leinart was that he just doesn't want to be a f'in QB in the NFL after deciding to sit around on the Texans and not play. And of course today he goes out today and plays like he doesn't really want to play and then gets hurt. I would sorta agree, I don't like Leinart because of what I already said even though I sure as hell was rooting for him to do well.

[HJam72]

Originally Posted by Kthx

Well my impression of Leinart was that he just doesn't want to be a f'in QB in the NFL after deciding to sit around on the Texans and not play. And of course today he goes out today and plays like he doesn't really want to play and then gets hurt. I would sorta agree, I don't like Leinart because of what I already said even though I sure as hell was rooting for him to do well.

K, thnx.

[Honoring Earl 34]

I think a QB has got it or he doesn't when it comes to taking a hit in the pocket . I think it's better for a young QB to throw ints trying to squeeze the ball into a tight space as opposed to just heaving it or dump it off . If he throw ints at least he's trying to get it down field and is hanging in there .

Matt L bails really quick like the old #8 . TJ ... the jury is out but the first hurdle is being more concerned with completing the pass than getting popped . He looked the part and I'm luke warm optimistic .

[Marcus]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

The second was Bob Allen's interview with Yates on the Texans show. Yates was very cool and calm during the interview, and he said that the offense they ran in college was based on the Texans offense. So he's got some experience in running this style. While it's certainly not pro football experience, it's not like we're taking an option or spread QB from college to run this offense.

I was impressed with the interview, too. Allen commented later, "I almost had to wake him up!"

That tells me that things don't phase him much. And you could see a quiet confidence about him. I really do think he will do well.

[MEGA SWATT]

Originally Posted by TexansFanatic

lmao!!!

I've never had anyone guess Thurgood Marshall but I suppose it's not that outlandish.

It's Goldwater.

Drew Carey's dad imo.


OP, too bad ML won't have a chance to prove him wrong this season. He sounds like a hater. I just don't see Yates taking us very far at all. I hope I'm completely wrong though.

[Insideop]

I was thinking what happens next year if Yates does really well the rest of the way? Does Leinart come back as the #2 or #3? Or did he sign a one year deal? If he only signed a 1 year deal we may not bring him back if Yates looks good the rest of this season. Anyone know how long he signed for?

[HJam72]

I dunno if he's right or not, but that Lombardi's just an a-hole, ain't he? I mean why do you have to say something like that(?) when Leinart's probly about ready to do this:

[Hervoyel]

Originally Posted by Insideop

I was thinking what happens next year if Yates does really well the rest of the way? Does Leinart come back as the #2 or #3? Or did he sign a one year deal? If he only signed a 1 year deal we may not bring him back if Yates looks good the rest of this season. Anyone know how long he signed for?

He's signed for next year too.

I think that getting hurt the exact same way he did in 2007 might have raised the "fragile" flag on Leinart which is going to put a few more nails in the coffin his career is currently trapped inside. He had enough doubters and critics as things were. Add the dreaded "f" word to all that and we might have just seen the moment where Leinart truly did become a career backup.

[TexanSam]

Originally Posted by Ryan

Yates looked great in that two minute drill, but no one understands that Kubiak basically shut the offense down in the 2nd half because Yates was their only healthy and active quarterback!

He'll open things up alot more next week and i think people will be shocked with Yates.

I agree with you, at least with the first part. Kubiak went very conservative for a reason. He didn't want Yates to risk being injured by staying in the pocket too long and getting hit. He had to count on the running game and D to hold onto the win.

After a week of reps and coaching, I think Yates will be allowed to pass the ball more beyond the 3 yard slants he had yesterday.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by HJam72

I dunno if he's right or not, but that Lombardi's just an a-hole, ain't he? I mean why do you have to say something like that(?) when Leinart's probly about ready to do this:

Agreed. I thought Leinart played the game we wanted him to play. His first game in 30 years..... Don't get me wrong, I was thrilled to see Yates come out ballin, but for the last two weeks we said Leinart needs to manage the game & he did.

We don't know how Gary would have called the 2 minute offense & we don't know what Matt would have done in that situation.

But, I feel for Leinart. He did exactly what we wanted him to do & this happens to him.

[Pantherstang84]

I hope the kid is a fast learner. I don't think he will have the whole playbook this week. He will have more than he did yesterday though.

[ziggy29]

Originally Posted by Texans34Life

I saw more confidence out of Yates than pretty boy Leinart. I think Kubiak was hesitant to take off the muzzle and let Yates take risks down the field.

Justifiable yesterday under the circumstances. You have to let him open it up next Sunday, or else the Atlanta defense will overload the box and stuff the run, and the Texans defense will be dead tired by the fourth quarter.

But given the circumstances and not having a "backup" beyond OD, yeah, you had to minimize risk there in the second half, especially since Jax has a putrid offense. I would have preferred seeing a little more risk, but we got out with a win.