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Old 11-27-2011   #41
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being better prepared doesn't mean ready to run the entire playbook. The guy's a very raw 3rd string rookie. I really hope Kubiak can dial in on what he does know and formulates a game plan that emphasizes that. It'll really boil down to Yate's knowledge of the playbook and his ability to read a por defense.

Yates looked pretty good with pressure in his face. Altlanta can have a pretty good passrush. If he can burn them a few times, I bet they call off the dogs. Having said that, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the naked bootleg on our 1st offensive play.
Agreed. Yates has the beat arm. I'd like a shot down the field on the first play in the Atlanta game.

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Agreed. Yates has the beat arm. I'd like a shot down the field on the first play in the Atlanta game.



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If you are trying to burn the clock, aren't you still supposed to try to move the ball to score? Seven points, no matter who your opponent (e.g., Foster fumble return, Jags dropped EZ TD pass) can happen in an instant, sometimes in just one play. Jones ran for 166 yds. Our 3rd down efficiency was 13% (2/15).
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If you are trying to burn the clock, aren't you still supposed to try to move the ball to score? Seven points, no matter who your opponent (e.g., Foster fumble return, Jags dropped EZ TD pass) can happen in an instant, sometimes in just one play. Jones ran for 166 yds. Our 3rd down efficiency was 13% (2/15).
Normally I would certainly agree, but remember that their offense scored a total of 6 points on us with all of that going on. Their O can't score on us, but their D can. Hopefully, teams won't be saying that about OUR O pretty soon.
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If you are trying to burn the clock, aren't you still supposed to try to move the ball to score? Seven points, no matter who your opponent (e.g., Foster fumble return, Jags dropped EZ TD pass) can happen in an instant, sometimes in just one play. Jones ran for 166 yds. Our 3rd down efficiency was 13% (2/15).
No doubt about it.

If Leinart had stayed in the game, I'm sure we'd have continued to play the way we did against Tennessee, Cleveland, & Tampa Bay. Run the ball, move the chains, take a shot every now & then.

But with TJ Yates, they know better than we do how prepared he is.... limiting turnover opportunities was the gamble he took & it paid off.

Had Mercedes Lewis caught that ball, it would have been a different game & a different game-plan.
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Had Mercedes Lewis caught that ball, it would have been a different game & a different game-plan.
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No doubt about it.

If Leinart had stayed in the game, I'm sure we'd have continued to play the way we did against Tennessee, Cleveland, & Tampa Bay. Run the ball, move the chains, take a shot every now & then.

But with TJ Yates, they know better than we do how prepared he is.... limiting turnover opportunities was the gamble he took & it paid off.

Had Mercedes Lewis caught that ball, it would have been a different game & a different game-plan.
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Jax defense is pretty good .... add in their stacking the box and this is what you get.


I think the game situation - a 10 point lead against a bad offensive team with your 3rd string QB in the game dictated the conservative playcalls.

Yates didnt get sacked or throw an INT .... No mistakes and the result was a W. Cant really complain about that.


The bigger question is where do they go from here? Does Yates become the starter ? Do they bring in a veteran ? Favre and Warner are out of the discussion .... its possible Rosenfels returns to the Texans pending he passes a physical and clears waivers.

Who else is out there that could come in and produce in a couple weeks ?! Maybe Jeff Garcia .... I cant seem to find a list of current FA's.
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Our run game was ineffective because we didn't have a pass game that kept the D honest. I can accept the "game plan" for this particular game.......because we won. But I am not naive enough to believe that will work with an opposing team with a better balanced D and halfway decent O. I hope that Kubiak does not give way to naivete and a post game "It's on me" conference.
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3 games in a row?

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I was surprised at 2 weeks in a row. But why not, until they stop it.
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Look at New England man, every game whether they are up by 14-30 they continue to throw it and try to score points.
They also dont stop anybody for the most part. They have to run it up.
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I agree, but i don't "think" what we saw today was the game plan... When Yates came in, Kubiak had him throwing it and they got three points out of it... He just reeled him in come the 2nd half just to be safe...

Seeing it was a weak offense we were going up against I'm okay with it..but you're right, against a team with a good offense we've got to try to score..

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Our run game was ineffective because we didn't have a pass game that kept the D honest. I can accept the "game plan" for this particular game.......because we won. But I am not naive enough to believe that will work with an opposing team with a better balanced D and halfway decent O. I hope that Kubiak does not give way to naivete and a post game "It's on me" conference.
Lol, I don't think that even the biggest Texans homer is naive enough to think that game plan would work, and i sure as hell don't think Gariak is that naive...

And it's funny you mention an "it's on me" press conference, because when asked about the second half in his presser yesterday, Kubes actually said "it's on me" lol, and explained how he didn't put the offense in a good position to do well... But i think he knew he wasn't calling it great in the second half, and chose to just play it safe...

I think that's also why we didn't see Tate more in the 2nd half, because though Foster had ball-handling issues Sunday, that's really not an issue with him when looking at his track record, but an issue with Tate... I think not running with Tate may be something he felt he failed at as well, tossing that under the "it's on me" umbrella... Maybe he should have trusted Tate a little more...

But back to the original point, no one is "that" naive (or am i being naive here?)! That game plan we saw in the 2nd half Sunday will not work, which is why it will not be the game-plan this Sunday (not in "all-caps" because it is a correct statement ... Great reply yesterday, CND, just remembered to rep you for it)... The only reason it worked Sunday was because we were up 10 pts against a horrid offense when it went into effect...


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Our run game was ineffective because we didn't have a pass game that kept the D honest. I can accept the "game plan" for this particular game.......because we won. But I am not naive enough to believe that will work with an opposing team with a better balanced D and halfway decent O. I hope that Kubiak does not give way to naivete and a post game "It's on me" conference.
The Jacksonville D didn't really fear Leinart going deep on them and Leinart really didn't try too hard. There were good plays call when Leinart was in there where he could have stretched the field a bit more.

When Yates came in, I don't think Kubes knew how bad Leinart was hurt. And so he let Yates go back and wing a few and Yates did a good job.

But then after halftime, you've got Owen Daniels taking snaps on the sideline just in case Yates goes down.

Kubes still allowed him to try to make some throws. (The passes to AJ, for instance.) And Yates showed some spark. But then Kubes realized that he could ice the whole damned game and get out with Yates healthy, and that's the course he took.

I think it was a good call on Kubes' part. My wife was hating the play-calling but I was totally fine with it. It would have been great if our running game could have gotten some first downs in that instance but we got out with the W.

I don't know what Kubes is going to do in the Atlanta game. I expect him to find the things Yates feels most comfy with and build a gameplan around that. I'm not going to be surprised if Kubes treats this game as a test and pulls out some stops to see what Yates is capable of with real bullets flying.
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I think we miss lawrence vickers a lot. James casey didn't look all that great today.
I don't think Vickers is all that great. In fact i think he clogs up the lanes! Look at previous games when he's in and you'll see that foster loses 1 yard or gains nothing when Vickers is in, this also happens with Tate. Just my OP..
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I don't think Vickers is all that great. In fact i think he clogs up the lanes! Look at previous games when he's in and you'll see that foster loses 1 yard or gains nothing when Vickers is in, this also happens with Tate. Just my OP..
Just the opposite of what I've observed.
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I don't think Vickers is all that great. In fact i think he clogs up the lanes! Look at previous games when he's in and you'll see that foster loses 1 yard or gains nothing when Vickers is in, this also happens with Tate. Just my OP..
Vickers has been really good the times that I have watched him.

He is a really good lead blocker in this offense because he has a little speed on him and is able to get up on the LB's really quickly.
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Just the opposite of what I've observed.
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