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Old 11-27-2011   #21
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I had been saying this for the past two weeks...with no passing game why not stack the box???
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That is how the Texans can be beat. Here on out the opposing teams are going to stack the box and make us throw on them to win. We need a passing game or our offense is going to go down the tubes.

We don't need a HOF quarterback to be starting - we just need someone to be competent and minimize the errors. I look around the league, and we need a Flacco/Sanchez/Romo type of quarterback. You look at those three stooges that are franchise qbs but on the verge of just being starting qbs with their teams quietly wondering if they are the answer to take them to the Superbowl. They are just marginally average, nothing special, but just have a complete team around them. Flacco has proven he cannot handle putting the team on his back - see the three loses. Sanchez is up and down, and Romo self destructs. And at the end of the day, would dont need someone that good to run our offense.

That's why I am still optimistic that if Yates can just be OK, not good, just OK we can get the running game re-established along with the play action and win a playoff game.
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We've seen several times this year how important a balanced attack is to our offense. The running games works because of the threat of a good passing attack and vice-versa. We'll need Yates to prove he can make a defense pay for stacking the box or we'll have a tough time against everyone but Indy for the rest of the year. Atlanta and Cinci have very good run defenses but only mediocre pass defenses.
I'm OK with the check down passes as long as we move the chains and keep our D fresh. As hard as the D plays each down, they seem to get gassed.
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..........was scary. Foster fumbles twice and besides his 43 yd run, he averages 1 ypc for the other 21 carries. Tate has only 5 carries and logs 26 yds........and then disappears.

I can understand the hesitancy to let a rookie loose. Although it may also be somewhat scary to do so............if we don't show a better effective balance of pass plays, our running game is likely to continue looking a lot different than we have been used to..........and as effective as what we saw this week.
Cut 'em some slack. Rookie QB at the helm so Jax defense queued in on the run. Not to mention they have the 4th best defense in the league if I heard correctly.

All they did was throw an extra guy or two in the box and dared us to beat them in the air....which we didnt.

We got the win. Now we get a week to prepare with TJ and Clemens.
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If we try the same game plan against Atlanta, or any decent team for that matter, they will stack 8 or 9 in the box........and effectively tear us a new one.
I agree, but i don't "think" what we saw today was the game plan... When Yates came in, Kubiak had him throwing it and they got three points out of it... He just reeled him in come the 2nd half just to be safe...

Seeing it was a weak offense we were going up against I'm okay with it..but you're right, against a team with a good offense we've got to try to score..

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This is just premature, next week we will run our play book, gary already addressed this by saying he did not want Yates also getting injured since we did not have another qb on the roster today. He played conservative to keep him upright, he had confidence that our defense would keep the lead and they did.....IF THEY PLAY LIKE THIS next week then worry about it, but i think yates showed enough before the half to prove he can throw it just fine....he took more chances down field then Leinart did while he was in....yates will be ok
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If we try the same game plan against Atlanta, or any decent team for that matter, they will stack 8 or 9 in the box........and effectively tear us a new one.
Well, I seriously doubt they'll go with that game plan. Atlanta, or any decent team, has the ability to put some points on the board. Jacksonville, not so much.

Though this game was about as ugly as it gets, I didn't have a problem basically putting it in the hands of the defense and not asking a QB who has never taken an NFL snap to do too much.

I hope that with a full week of 1st team reps Yates will be better prepared to improve on the 4.5 Y/A the Texans had today. I hope, because I was really disappointed that although Leinart was 10-13, he had a Y/A of 4.38. Those kind of numbers will shut the offense down, period! That's when you get the box stacked, your run game shut down, not converting 3rd downs, everything.
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in regards to stacking the box, i think yates is actually an upgrade in that regard - with the caveat that kubiak provides him with the full playbook. if someone wants to find it, this preseason i knocked leinart as a dumpoff specialist and praised yates for his raw but downfield ability (saying i liked yates better but he wasnt ready yet). that's what yates has, he appears much more comfortable with long and intermediate routes ... a guy who wants to stand in the pocket and find that deep in or zone sit.

yates is looking long, leinart is dumps, and schaub is the healthy medium. given our offense's history with 15ish yard routes and play-action posts, and our success in that area, i think that should be a focus with yates. let the kid throw. he's more of a gunslinger, especially as a raw rookie, but we have the play-action for him to be successful doing so.
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I had no problem with what happened today... besides the Leinart injury.

We had a 10 point lead. We had spent what we could of the past two weeks getting Leinart ready to play. Not Yates.

The Jaguars have a damned good defense but no offense. With a 10 point lead, we needed to just pound the ball and let our defense win the game. And they did.

We could not afford to lose this game against the Jags. And we won it.

Now...

We spend this next week preparing Yates and/or Kellen Clemens. We'll face a defense that's even stouter against the run than the Jaguars. And we're probably going to lose.

This is the game, against the Falcons, where we start giving Yates the ball to see what he can do and what he can't do so we can figure out how to use him to win games for us.
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I bet Kubiak puckered up a bit because of the Jags tendency to hurt our starting QB today. He just saw Leinart get hurt, getting drilled into the ground, and he was NOT going to let Jax stack the box and end up blitzing Yeights and hurting HIM as well.

This was as close to bubble-wrapping a QB as we'll ever see. I think, more and more, Kubiak wanted to get the hell outta' Florida with at least one of his original 3 QBs standing and able to play next week.

He had the lead, he had the D, and JDR didn't switch QBs early enough. Simple math, and in a way it does make a lot of sense.

In short: I don't necessarily think Kubiak was afraid to let Yates sling the ball. He just didn't want to read a Richard Justice column tomorrow that berates him about why he endangered his only remaining QB.

After all, we had NO 3rd string QB today. Yates gets hurt today, it would look super embarrassing to trot out Owen Daniels the rest of the game...and maybe even LOSE because of it.

A lot worse things could happen to us other than not seeing Yates display his skill set. All in all, it was the prudent thing to do. It was smart.
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In short: I don't necessarily think Kubiak was afraid to let Yates sling the ball. He just didn't want to read a Richard Justice column tomorrow that berates him about why he endangered his only remaining QB.
I don't think Kubiak cares what Richard Justice writes in his column.

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A lot worse things could happen to us other than not seeing Yates display his skill set. All in all, it was the prudent thing to do. It was smart.
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Well, I seriously doubt they'll go with that game plan. Atlanta, or any decent team, has the ability to put some points on the board. Jacksonville, not so much.

Though this game was about as ugly as it gets, I didn't have a problem basically putting it in the hands of the defense and not asking a QB who has never taken an NFL snap to do too much.

I hope that with a full week of 1st team reps Yates will be better prepared to improve on the 4.5 Y/A the Texans had today. I hope, because I was really disappointed that although Leinart was 10-13, he had a Y/A of 4.38. Those kind of numbers will shut the offense down, period! That's when you get the box stacked, your run game shut down, not converting 3rd downs, everything.
being better prepared doesn't mean ready to run the entire playbook. The guy's a very raw 3rd string rookie. I really hope Kubiak can dial in on what he does know and formulates a game plan that emphasizes that. It'll really boil down to Yate's knowledge of the playbook and his ability to read a por defense.

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in regards to stacking the box, i think yates is actually an upgrade in that regard - with the caveat that kubiak provides him with the full playbook. if someone wants to find it, this preseason i knocked leinart as a dumpoff specialist and praised yates for his raw but downfield ability (saying i liked yates better but he wasnt ready yet). that's what yates has, he appears much more comfortable with long and intermediate routes ... a guy who wants to stand in the pocket and find that deep in or zone sit.

yates is looking long, leinart is dumps, and schaub is the healthy medium. given our offense's history with 15ish yard routes and play-action posts, and our success in that area, i think that should be a focus with yates. let the kid throw. he's more of a gunslinger, especially as a raw rookie, but we have the play-action for him to be successful doing so.
Yates looked pretty good with pressure in his face. Altlanta can have a pretty good passrush. If he can burn them a few times, I bet they call off the dogs. Having said that, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the naked bootleg on our 1st offensive play.

A full week with the 1st team should yield dividends with AJ. I just don;t see Atlanta being able to cover him and Yates should be more comfortable with AJ by next Sunday. Hell, maybe AJ should have Yates spend the next week at his house with him.
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I've done my fair share of criticizing Kubiak in the past, but he called this game just right. He wasn't counting on gaining yards with the run, he was burning clock and putting the game in the hands of the defense. It allowed him to escape with a W and a healthy QB.
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If we try the same game plan against Atlanta, or any decent team for that matter, they will stack 8 or 9 in the box........and effectively tear us a new one.
What same game plan?

Leinart had options, he just didn't pull the trigger. The checkdowns aren't the game plan. They are safety valves for a rusty QB to gain confidence. There were receivers down field. He just didn't go for them.

I would imagine the game plan with Yates will be similar. However, I don't think Yates will be as "conservative" with his throws.

If we ever get a two score lead, Gary is going to go into run mode, but (just like the Titans & Tampa Bay game) he'll take shots down the field when appropriate.


We are not the Packers or the Patriots. If we try to act like it, chances are we'll start turning the ball over. NOW, is not the time to find out.

Now is the time to rack up the small successes (completions, first downs, T.O.P., games) get this kid ready for the play-offs.
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I've done my fair share of criticizing Kubiak in the past, but he called this game just right. He wasn't counting on gaining yards with the run, he was burning clock and putting the game in the hands of the defense. It allowed him to escape with a W and a healthy QB.
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I remember playing the Redskins last year, early in the season.

Kyle Shanahan had Donovan McNabb doing 3-step drops on every pass play the entire first half. The result was quick slants, quick outs, little crossing patterns, and it got the ball into the hands of the Redskins WRs and TEs and RBs.

That's what you do, to get a QB some confidence and to slow down a pass rush, and you mix in the run. The Redskins got away from that formula in the second half...trying to run the ball with Portis...and it cost them the win.

This is a time to use 4 WR and even motion out the RB and use 5 WR sets, like someone mentioned. 3-step drop, which prevents the pass rush from effectively getting to the QB. An excellent plan for a guy like Yaits, IMO.

There is a way to overcome problems, but I fear Kubiak's solutions have always been to rely on playmakers to make plays rather than crafting a solid, exploitive game plan that actually works.

It took us the Raiders game to figure out how to play without Andre Johnson. It will likely take us this game, and maybe the Atlanta game, to figure out how to play without Schaub. We sure as hell were not ready to put Yaytes into the game in place of Leinart.
Great Post. Playing devil's advocate; Yates is not McNabb. Yates is the 3rd string QB & maybe (just maybe) he doesn't have the full play-book right now.

The kid did not look like he was out of place or that the game was too big (or too fast) for him. He didn't have a problem throwing the ball. Next week, they'll probably work on those plays you mentioned & losen the leash a little.
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What same game plan?

Leinart had options, he just didn't pull the trigger. The checkdowns aren't the game plan. They are safety valves for a rusty QB to gain confidence. There were receivers down field. He just didn't go for them.

I would imagine the game plan with Yates will be similar. However, I don't think Yates will be as "conservative" with his throws.

If we ever get a two score lead, Gary is going to go into run mode, but (just like the Titans & Tampa Bay game) he'll take shots down the field when appropriate.


We are not the Packers or the Patriots. If we try to act like it, chances are we'll start turning the ball over. NOW, is not the time to find out.

Now is the time to rack up the small successes (completions, first downs, T.O.P., games) get this kid ready for the play-offs.
MSR. Well put, TK. Going forward, I see this as Kubiak's "moment" where he can either solidify his rep as an offensive and QB guru or prove that he's overrated at both. Yates showed poise and presence in the pocket today, and looks like he has some tools to work with. This is no time for "woe is me". This is the time to get behind your team and pull as hard as you can for them. Oh yeah, remind Kubes to use Tate if he's healthy.
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in regards to stacking the box, i think yates is actually an upgrade in that regard - with the caveat that kubiak provides him with the full playbook. if someone wants to find it, this preseason i knocked leinart as a dumpoff specialist and praised yates for his raw but downfield ability (saying i liked yates better but he wasnt ready yet). that's what yates has, he appears much more comfortable with long and intermediate routes ... a guy who wants to stand in the pocket and find that deep in or zone sit.

yates is looking long, leinart is dumps, and schaub is the healthy medium. given our offense's history with 15ish yard routes and play-action posts, and our success in that area, i think that should be a focus with yates. let the kid throw. he's more of a gunslinger, especially as a raw rookie, but we have the play-action for him to be successful doing so.
Even David Carr was throwing the ball downfield until someone ripped him a new one for throwing too many INTs. I don't know if Leinart had that problem, but he knew if he didn't screw it up we were going to win the game.

I didn't expect to see him stretch the field, not so early in the game, maybe in the second half, but he never got that chance.

We've got 6 days of Kubiak stressing how important it is that Yates doesn't turn the ball over.. then we'll see what he does vs Atlanta. Hopefully he does a better job of finding the right balance of giving us a chance to win & playing it safe........ but we'll see.
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I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the naked bootleg on our 1st offensive play.
3 games in a row?

No way.
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No way.
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