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Old 04-29-2005   #41
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Is it my imagination or did the Texans run on first and second downs 85 to 90% of the time? Defense just knows what Palmer is going to call. Gives them the edge regardless of how the Oline plays or who is playing IMO.
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Is it my imagination or did the Texans run on first and second downs 85 to 90% of the time? Defense just knows what Palmer is going to call. Gives them the edge regardless of how the Oline plays or who is playing IMO.
It is a false perception. It SEEMS like they run on 1st and 2nd down all of the time but time and again we have looked at the stats and they are actually balanced.
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It is a false perception. It SEEMS like they run on 1st and 2nd down all of the time but time and again we have looked at the stats and they are actually balanced.
I think the confusion comes in because when Carr dropped back to pass it usually became a running play.......Carr running for his life.
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Is it my imagination or did the Texans run on first and second downs 85 to 90% of the time?
It's your imagination. Look up the play by play on nfl.com
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Can we deduce that since Palmer is stating that we have no problems with the offensive line, that this is the reason we hav not upgraded it? Our number one problem last year was protecting Carr, we still have not solved it IMHO. Shouldn't we expect more of the same this year? And trust me, you can go ahead an throw Pitts into this problem too, he's as much to blame as any of them.
THANK YOU!!! MR. Chester *OFFSIDES* Pitts is a HUGE part of the problem!
Let's plug in the hole on the left side of the O-line and give Carr time to actually do his thing! He can't throw the bombs when he's sittin on the grass!!!
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If as posted the statments concerning Palmer are true, then this is one of the most inept organizations I have seen. As a manager having explained to an employee what has to be done, the employee says I don't see the problem he should have been fired on the spot. Wait one more year Vinny! People are crazy. I'm laughing so hard its not even funny, because almost everything I have said about this coaching staff and the players in many ways is coming true. Its tragic, because this ball club and its players have been totally mismanaged in my opinion. I have stated we will have to empliment another 5 year plan. A player can't make a mistake in this organization, but a coach can exhibit total disregard of his evaluations can continue on as he pleases. And you wonder why the older key players say its time to move on. Sorry, but the organization is very sick and it will take another 2 or 3 years to clear the coaches out. I think we will be lucky to win 3 or 4 games this year. You chided me for the Titans and look at what they got. Many think they did exceeding well in the draft. I think they stand a good change to beat us, because of the QB and the coaching. Those of you who think we will get two wins from them without a struggle are just blowing smoke. Ladies and Gentlemen we have major problems and we need a whole lot of good coaching and I just don't see that happening. I really wish it wasn't the case. Parcells may be a you know what - and I really don't like him at all - but he does know what he's doing. AG might even become next year's most valueable player. Wouldn't that be a hoot. I still say the injury bug decimated any plans this ball club had. We have yet to recover totally from them. That is just bad luck and I don't think its the coaches fault, but what is, however, is the inability to recognize the problem and to begin to move forward with a new plan. Oh, well, good night and god bless the Texans.


This absolutely the best post I have ever seen in regards to the Texans. We got behind the 8 ball early due to injuries and not only have we never recovered, we have never adapted or altered our team gameplan. I am telling you now, if we have more than 2 (total) linemen go down, offense and defense combined, we are screwed. Our depth is an embarassment. And here is why we win no more than 6 games this year...all the other teams see what I see but they see more details. They will be coming after Carr like they've never done before.

They say this is just a business. Well, businesses fail every day unless they adapt and make their weakness their strength. Our weakness is both of our lines...sad. :brickwall
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If thats the best post I need to find another board or get a life . Its an easy road taking the half empty outlook, you don't have to invest much of yourself .

I believe this is the year where they need to take off the expansion label and perform like a contender . The result of them going 6-10 may cost some jobs because this team is full of young talent and talent is what takes time to assemble .
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I truly believe that Palmer and Fangio should have been part of our off-season cuts. Promote Jon Hoke to D. Coordinator because he is our best D coach, and then go out and find a vertical passing scheme that stresses the type of blocking we are trying to build. Our blocking scheme is trying to become more like that of the Patiots, but we dont have those type of athletes on the line so we need to compensate that by switching to a more Atlanta based zone blocking scheme. I have always had a problem with our play calling because I think as a young team we need to be controlled aggression, but it seems we just try not lose which will always make you lose. Who knows possibly this year we could go 8-8 but it will be a struggle.
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Is it my imagination or did the Texans run on first and second downs 85 to 90% of the time? Defense just knows what Palmer is going to call. Gives them the edge regardless of how the Oline plays or who is playing IMO.
I think part of the reason for this perception is that we seem to often call a running play when a pass is clearly called for. How many off tackle run plays have been called on 3rd and 8 in the Texans first three years? :brickwall
Maybe there are legit reasons for this, such as the inability to keep the rush off of Carr, nevertheless, a more thorough analysis of down and distance run vs. pass would shed a lot more light on this perception imo.
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Maybe there are legit reasons for this, such as the inability to keep the rush off of Carr, nevertheless, a more thorough analysis of down and distance run vs. pass would shed a lot more light on this perception imo.
When can we expect that analysis, Porky?
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Default ...play calling

I believe the best example of Palmer's questionable play calling occurred in
the Patriots game in '03. With the score tied and time running out in regulation, the Pats punted and we got possession at the Pats 35yd line-
a 53yd field goal attempt right then if we do nothing. On 1st down, the
Texans run a pitchout sweep to Mack, our slowest back, and we get an
8yd loss--out of field goal range, now. Our final play on this drive is a hail
mary throw...all the Texans had to do was stay put or just 'inch' forward
to try and win with a field goal---incredible!!!
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When can we expect that analysis, Porky?
When

Also, as RHC mentioned, the other analyis piece to this is time left on the clock and the field position. Many times, we have chose to "run out the clock" with plenty of time to attack at the end of halves, or didn't aggresively attack in the fourth quarter. Also, we need to know what the score is during each play run. Stats alone never tell the whole story.

I herby decree Lucky to spend the next 12 days locked in a bare room with one overhead light, nothing but twinkies, and the occasional mounds or Almond Joy when he feels nutty, and a stack of papers ten feet high from the first three years with each play diagramed out, along with the down/distance/score/field postition/qtr/ and time remaining. I want this in spiral form on my desk in 12 days buster, or forget about that raise!
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The oven was preheated to about 350 degrees. Chris Palmer has been in it for about 2 years. You might want to check it soon. I think he is close to done.
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I believe the best example of Palmer's questionable play calling occurred in
the Patriots game in '03. With the score tied and time running out in regulation, the Pats punted and we got possession at the Pats 35yd line-
a 53yd field goal attempt right then if we do nothing. On 1st down, the
Texans run a pitchout sweep to Mack, our slowest back, and we get an
8yd loss--out of field goal range, now. Our final play on this drive is a hail
mary throw...all the Texans had to do was stay put or just 'inch' forward
to try and win with a field goal---incredible!!!
Well, close. First it was Domanick Davis--Mack didn't play in that game--and it was a 5 yard loss not 8. Second, it was not at the end of regulation, it was in overtime. There were about 5 minutes left in OT which as you know is sudden death. 52 yd field goal range when they got possession. Several people have questioned the 2nd down running play--why don't you question the 1st down running play that got no gain? 52 yds is no chip shot and the ball was at the right hash mark making it that much harder. I just don't get the criticism on that call. DD had lost yardage on only one of the prior 23 rushing attempts. Even if the play gains nothing but gets it to the hashmark you have made it much easier for Brown--gain 2-4 and get it on the left hash mark and you may have given Brown a 15-20% better chance at winning the game.
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Guys 5 year plan remember?

1st year = 3 wins
2nd year = 5 wins
3rd year = 7 wins

4th year => 9 wins

This is where we are supposed to be according to plan. You can blame Palmer fo everything if you want but he is doing a fine job. The coaches can't block and tackle. We are no longer an expansion team and this will be the first year that you can give a true evaluation of the Coaches. This is the first year that we have enough of our players to realistally make the playoffs.

I say we will be in the playoffs this year and I for one can't wait for the excitment of playoff football in Reliant Stadium.
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I think part of the reason for this perception is that we seem to often call a running play when a pass is clearly called for. How many off tackle run plays have been called on 3rd and 8 in the Texans first three years? :brickwall
Maybe it won't take 12 days for Lucky after all, at least for last year.

Domanick Davis had ZERO rushing attempts on 3rd down and 8-10 yds. He had one for on 3rd and 11+. Even on 3rd and 3-7 he only had 7 attempts on which he by the way averaged 8.9 yds.

Seems like there needs to be a new theory on why people perceive run, run, pass.
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just what is the average job span for coaches in the NFL. I'll bet 4 years beats the average
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I don't know about most of you, but I haven't missed a home game yet and every game I can predict at least 85% of the play calls. I played ball for a number of years, but in no way am I a football genius. If I can predict that many calls, where does the problem lie?
You took the words right out of my mouth.

The second huge problem is the lack of adjustments at half time.
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thanks cak, thats about what I thought. here is a quote from the article that bascily sums up this entire fire Palmer thread,

“ Everybody wants to win now. If you don't, the owner is going to find someone else he thinks can get it done, that's just a fact of life.”
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