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Old 04-27-2005   #21
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well if Palmer starts making bad calls.. and Carr starts getting roughed up.. is someone gonna step on his neck? or are they gonna let it keep going?

I just dont want to see Carr suffer through another year of bull**** cause our O-coordinator is a blind twerp.
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Angry I don't understand protection schemes

What happened last year??? Did we play a lot of 3,4,5 reciever sets like the rams?? Are people on this board calling for more max protection set? What's the solution to Carr's sack totals.
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:woot What this means is the expansion label has been peeled off and folks are now being held accountable .
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What happened last year??? Did we play a lot of 3,4,5 reciever sets like the rams?? Are people on this board calling for more max protection set? What's the solution to Carr's sack totals.
I think it maybe our tight end formations. From what I hear on here, it sounds like if we get Joppru on the field, then the defenses now start guessing, instead of already knowing the plays before DC says "HUT".
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Thank you cougar!

The TE shuffle is our achilles heel. If They knew Miller only comes in on passing situations, they knew to bring everyone in a pass rush. An everydown TE will do wonders for Carr's sack total next year. "In Joppru We Trust" However I hope they bring in a lot of young tight ends into camp and see if we can find a good one.
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if Carr gets manhandled again.. we will start a dang picket line at reliant to get Palmer fired heh.
Finally, a line that'll do something to protect David Carr!

I just can't believe Palmer would've said something so stupid. No way that's accurate. But if it is, I'll fly home to join that picket line, boys.
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Finally, a line that'll do something to protect David Carr!

I just can't believe Palmer would've said something so stupid. No way that's accurate. But if it is, I'll fly home to join that picket line, boys.
Thats funny! good one
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You mean lack of off-season moves on the offensive side of the ball right?
Yes, how about responding to the rest of the post?
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You mean lack of off-season moves on the offensive side of the ball right?

The issue with Palmer is not the talent at OT. Instead, you can look to the first Indy game. Seth Wand was given absolutely no help on Freeney that first quarter. An offensive coach with a good gameplan would have implented a strategy which focused on blocking Freeney's pass rush. He's their one true playmaker on defense and was lined up on our first year starter. If you go back and watch that game, a RB chipped him twice, I think, and both of those plays were very effective.

Just because you have 5 eligible receivers each play doesn't mean you must send all 5 out on patterns. Steve Spurrier style offense doesn't get it done in the NFL. I imagine that was what much of this conversation with Palmer was about, and I am glad to hear that it took place.
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I have been a Palmer supporter, but I'm at the end of my rope. If there is not significant progress made to open holes for the RB's (will someone please cut off the backside pursuit for a change), and most importantly, in making the neccessary changes to protect Carr, then I say dump Palmer, and the whole lot of them, as they are all to blame. A pox on all of their houses should that happen.
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well joe pendry has been a good o-line coach for years in the league...as for fangio i don't honestly know that much about his record...if they let vic go i would say hoke needs to be the new d. coordinator...as for the new o. coordinator...who knows...seems like it's always harder to find a good offensive coach than it is a defensive one
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unless someone gets cut in the june 1st post rookie draft purge, but i dont see anyone we go for, very few lineman get cut.
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If as posted the statments concerning Palmer are true, then this is one of the most inept organizations I have seen. As a manager having explained to an employee what has to be done, the employee says I don't see the problem he should have been fired on the spot. Wait one more year Vinny! People are crazy. I'm laughing so hard its not even funny, because almost everything I have said about this coaching staff and the players in many ways is coming true. Its tragic, because this ball club and its players have been totally mismanaged in my opinion. I have stated we will have to empliment another 5 year plan. A player can't make a mistake in this organization, but a coach can exhibit total disregard of his evaluations can continue on as he pleases. And you wonder why the older key players say its time to move on. Sorry, but the organization is very sick and it will take another 2 or 3 years to clear the coaches out. I think we will be lucky to win 3 or 4 games this year. You chided me for the Titans and look at what they got. Many think they did exceeding well in the draft. I think they stand a good change to beat us, because of the QB and the coaching. Those of you who think we will get two wins from them without a struggle are just blowing smoke. Ladies and Gentlemen we have major problems and we need a whole lot of good coaching and I just don't see that happening. I really wish it wasn't the case. Parcells may be a you know what - and I really don't like him at all - but he does know what he's doing. AG might even become next year's most valueable player. Wouldn't that be a hoot. I still say the injury bug decimated any plans this ball club had. We have yet to recover totally from them. That is just bad luck and I don't think its the coaches fault, but what is, however, is the inability to recognize the problem and to begin to move forward with a new plan. Oh, well, good night and god bless the Texans.
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well joe pendry has been a good o-line coach for years in the league...
Pendry has been an offensive line coach in the NFL for only two seasons; last year in Houston (with center/guard emphasis), and in 2001 with the Redskins. He has nine years of NFL experience as offensive coordinator with Buffalo, Carolina, and KC. His only other stint as a position coach was when he coached RBs at Cleveland in the late 80's and Chicago in the early 90's.

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If there is not significant progress made to open holes for the RB's (will someone please cut off the backside pursuit for a change), and most importantly, in making the neccessary changes to protect Carr, then I say dump Palmer, and the whole lot of them, as they are all to blame...
DD finished the season strong with three 100+ yard games out of the last four. I think opening holes is less of a concern than protection schemes.

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I have stated we will have to empliment another 5 year plan.
I find all this talk about a five year plan very interesting. I think everyone should consider how many teams have gone to the Super Bowl in just the last five years. In the AFC only three different teams have gone to the Super Bowl in the last five years out of 16 (or 15 before the addition of the Texans). In the last ten years only 6 different AFC teams have attended the big dance, and not one of those teams had been a expansion team in its recent history. I think that if this plan simply refers to making the playoffs, then it is feasible, but if its the Super Bowl we're talkin about it becomes a little more difficult. Expecting a team to go from starting from scratch to the Super Bowl may be a bit of a strech, JMO.
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***why are we asking Palmer about the o-line in the first place?***
This is actually a good question, Bottle-o. Palmer makes the protection calls when he calls a play. He has to use more help instead of isolating all of his blockers all the time. He will need to use the back to do more than chip-block (they don't even chip much either). I think we will see more variety in his calls this year when it comes to protections. You can do too much of either extreme. On the flip side you don't want to use too much max protect to where you never send out more than 2 WR's.
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I have been a Palmer supporter, but I'm at the end of my rope.
I have defended Palmer because of his history prior to becoming coach of the Browns. I also felt this team needed 2-3 years to get the core of the team together. We are right there now. It is hard to tell where the lack of talent on the line ends and the pass protection schemes begin. I really don't think the line is that far off. I'm starting to think the problem lies with Palmer and his run-and-shoot style of pass-blocking. Heck the RB usually blocked more in the RnS than in his current pass blocking.
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>I've never played football in my life, obviously and I predicted 90% of the offensive calls last year. My daughter, who knows SQUAT about football, ask me why they did the same thing over and over again. I've watched football for over 50 years, but my daughter goes for the fun. If she noticed how >crappy the play calling was, then I can assure you, if was pretty pitiful!!

I can do that too. First down, run up the middle. Second down, draw. Third down, incomplete pass/sack. Fourth down, punt.
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The blocking was not that bad? I guess that was a figment of my imagination when I saw Carr running around against Indy twice and against Cleveland in particular.
how many times did the browns sack carr??? i think it was 4, but im not sure. when u let a stinkin browns defense sack u 4 times, then its clear that ur blocking needs a fixin...
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