Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > Football Talk > College Football & the 2014 NFL Draft
Home Forums Register FAQDonate Automatic Monthly Contribution Members List Mark Forums Read


College Football & the 2014 NFL Draft The future stars of the NFL

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-27-2005   #1
fball
Rookie
 
fball's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Pearland
Age: 37
Posts: 62
Rep Power: 11 fball is ridin' the pine
Default Question about travis johnson

I'm trying to get a feel for how good this guy is, if he was in last years draft who would go first vince wilfork , tommie harris, or travis johnson, and who do you think he plays like in the nfl ?
fball is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2005   #2
Bayern
Veteran
 
Bayern's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Age: 34
Posts: 111
Rep Power: 11 Bayern is ridin' the pine
Default

Thats a very good question actually.... I've been trying to figure out how good this guy is and I don't see many FSU games. What is he 6'4 300lbs? Hell his size alone should plug up the o-line.
Bayern is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2005   #3
keyfro
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Age: 31
Posts: 1,859
Rep Power: 14 keyfro was voted MVPkeyfro was voted MVPkeyfro was voted MVP
Send a message via AIM to keyfro
Default

tommie harris in my opinion would have gone first overall of them...then travis johnson then wilfork and here's why:

tommie harris...no weight problems...no off the field issues
travis johnson...no weight problems...but some off the field issues
vince wilfork...a lot of weight problems...but not a lot of off the field issues

some teams don't mind a guy who is 347 or 360...but a lot of teams do including us and that's why he would be the last DT picked amongst the three
__________________
With the 10th overall pick in the 2007 NFL draft the Houston Texans select...?????
keyfro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2005   #4
Vinny
shiny happy fan
 
Vinny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Age: 50
Posts: 21,847
Rep Power: 161784 Vinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

He has been compared to Cory Simon. If you go to yahoo NFL section there is a short highlight film on him. I think he has a game much like Gary Walkers. When Gary went to the pro bowl he was more of a penetrating DL than anybody else we had on this roster. If you notice, last year we had nobody to give us inside push in passing situations. Blowing up the pocket from the inside leads to the outside guys getting more sacks because the QB has to flush to one side or the other and we just didn't get that from any of our linemen last year. Hopefully Walkers turf toe is healed and TJ will give us two guys who can penetrate in 2004.
__________________
http://twitter.com/#!/TexansTalk


"A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves" - Edward R. Murrow
Vinny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2005   #5
Vinny
shiny happy fan
 
Vinny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Age: 50
Posts: 21,847
Rep Power: 161784 Vinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by fball
I'm trying to get a feel for how good this guy is, if he was in last years draft who would go first vince wilfork , tommie harris, or travis johnson, and who do you think he plays like in the nfl ?
I'd probably prefer Wilfork to him but in our system I'd probably take Travis Johnson over Harris. I think Harris is best suited for a 4-3. I know many say that about Johnson also...but Harris has more of a quickness/finesse game than Johnson does overall.
__________________
http://twitter.com/#!/TexansTalk


"A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves" - Edward R. Murrow
Vinny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2005   #6
fball
Rookie
 
fball's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Pearland
Age: 37
Posts: 62
Rep Power: 11 fball is ridin' the pine
Default

There is one thing I don't understand about the 3-4, I thought that the 3 down lineman on the 3-4 were supposed to do nothing but block or clear the way for the 4 linebackers to make plays, so why do they want them to penatrate and leave the linebackers open to get blocked?
fball is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2005   #7
Vinny
shiny happy fan
 
Vinny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Age: 50
Posts: 21,847
Rep Power: 161784 Vinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

You are right on the running plays. On passing plays it does no good just to take up blockers. Someone needs to disrupt the QB and make him move outside the pocket. The pocket is the safest place for a QB and easiest place to protect him on the field. One reason Carr is sacked so much is because its almost impossible to protect a guy when you don't know were he is. Blowing up the pocket from the inside is something that didn't happen much last year when we were on defense.
__________________
http://twitter.com/#!/TexansTalk


"A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves" - Edward R. Murrow
Vinny is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored links
Old 04-27-2005   #8
fball
Rookie
 
fball's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Pearland
Age: 37
Posts: 62
Rep Power: 11 fball is ridin' the pine
Default

why do they not know where he is?
fball is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2005   #9
Blake
MMQB
 
Blake's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Spring
Section: 551
Posts: 10,803
Rep Power: 76955 Blake is a quality contributor and well respectedBlake is a quality contributor and well respectedBlake is a quality contributor and well respectedBlake is a quality contributor and well respectedBlake is a quality contributor and well respectedBlake is a quality contributor and well respectedBlake is a quality contributor and well respectedBlake is a quality contributor and well respectedBlake is a quality contributor and well respectedBlake is a quality contributor and well respectedBlake is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

I just dont understand how NE got VW at 21-22 area.... That makes me sick.
Blake is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2005   #10
michaelm
vox nihili
 
michaelm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Spring, TX
Section: 648
Age: 49
Posts: 5,703
Rep Power: 107589 michaelm is a quality contributor and well respectedmichaelm is a quality contributor and well respectedmichaelm is a quality contributor and well respectedmichaelm is a quality contributor and well respectedmichaelm is a quality contributor and well respectedmichaelm is a quality contributor and well respectedmichaelm is a quality contributor and well respectedmichaelm is a quality contributor and well respectedmichaelm is a quality contributor and well respectedmichaelm is a quality contributor and well respectedmichaelm is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DC_ROCK
I just dont understand how NE got VW at 21-22 area.... That makes me sick.
a lot of people wanted us to take him @ 10... I'm glad it worked out the way it did!
michaelm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2005   #11
infantrycak
Lead Moderator
 
infantrycak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Austin, TX
Age: 47
Posts: 49,254
Rep Power: 413804 infantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by fball
There is one thing I don't understand about the 3-4, I thought that the 3 down lineman on the 3-4 were supposed to do nothing but block or clear the way for the 4 linebackers to make plays, so why do they want them to penatrate and leave the linebackers open to get blocked?
People say that a little too simplistically. Good 3-4 D's also get pressure collapsing the pocket so the QB is flushed where he is a better target for the OLB's. With no pressure up the middle, the QB just steps up into the pocket if there is edge pressure and lets the tackles ride the outside pass rushers on a long trip around the pocket and out of the play. Our pressure production from the DL does need improvement (sacks since I have never found a QB hurry source, by DLmen):

Houston 4.5
Pittsburgh 12
Patriots 15.5
San Diego 8.5
__________________
The Art of War
infantrycak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2005   #12
ComstockLode
Veteran
 
ComstockLode's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Age: 29
Posts: 311
Rep Power: 11 ComstockLode is ridin' the pine
Default

He barely was getting playing time his junior year. If he would have came out, he would have been drafted later than second round.

His senior year was his breakout year.
ComstockLode is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2005   #13
nunusguy
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Houston
Posts: 8,991
Rep Power: 185 nunusguy is a quality contributor and well respectednunusguy is a quality contributor and well respectednunusguy is a quality contributor and well respectednunusguy is a quality contributor and well respectednunusguy is a quality contributor and well respectednunusguy is a quality contributor and well respectednunusguy is a quality contributor and well respectednunusguy is a quality contributor and well respectednunusguy is a quality contributor and well respectednunusguy is a quality contributor and well respectednunusguy is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Though the Texans have shelled out the bucks to sign and/or retain
their starting DL, Texan players at that position have practically been ignored in the draft. And for that matter, none of the starters themselves were even drafted on the first day. With TJ they did a complete 180 degree turn.
TJ was not only drafted the first day, he was taken in the first round as our
top selection in this years draft as we all know. Its not unusual for DTs to go
high, because in 3 of the last 4 drafts there were 3 DTs taken among the top
dozen picks. So its usually a premium position, but not for the Texans. So
they must have really liked TJ, or just felt that there was a tremendous drop
off in talent after him and Marcus Spears. But it is kind of surprise that a lower pick was not used by the Texans, because the top tier DTs usually end
up in the 4-3s.
nunusguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2005   #14
Vinny
shiny happy fan
 
Vinny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Age: 50
Posts: 21,847
Rep Power: 161784 Vinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by fball
why do they not know where he is?
Because when you are blocking for the QB you have your back to him. You have to assume he is in the pocket. Once Carr steps out of the pocket it is nearly impossible to keep your body between you and the defender. If he is in the pocket you pretty much know exactly where you have to push your man. If you don't know where the QB is after 1-2 seconds you are in trouble as a lineman.
__________________
http://twitter.com/#!/TexansTalk


"A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves" - Edward R. Murrow
Vinny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2005   #15
Youngstown Colt
All Pro
 
Youngstown Colt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Youngstown, Ohio
Age: 30
Posts: 997
Rep Power: 11 Youngstown Colt is ridin' the pine
Default

He probably would have gone second, after Wilfork, Tommie Harris was grossly overrated his senior year.
__________________
"If you're flammable and have legs you are never blocking a fire exit." - Mitch
Youngstown Colt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2005   #16
keyfro
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Age: 31
Posts: 1,859
Rep Power: 14 keyfro was voted MVPkeyfro was voted MVPkeyfro was voted MVP
Send a message via AIM to keyfro
Default

i don't know how you can say harris was overrated...he started up in chicago they absolutely love him and are looking forward to another solid season with him next year...i don't think he was overrated...if you look at how much he was double-teamed that year there is no wonder his production dropped
__________________
With the 10th overall pick in the 2007 NFL draft the Houston Texans select...?????
keyfro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2005   #17
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 9,835
Rep Power: 14626 El Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

For some reason I feel this guy will be like Warren Sapp in his younger days except without the mouth.
El Tejano is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2005   #18
Vinny
shiny happy fan
 
Vinny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Age: 50
Posts: 21,847
Rep Power: 161784 Vinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respected
Default



http://store.houstontexans.com/produ...entPage=family
__________________
http://twitter.com/#!/TexansTalk


"A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves" - Edward R. Murrow
Vinny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2005   #19
TexasAggie
Rookie
 
TexasAggie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Montana
Posts: 64
Rep Power: 11 TexasAggie is ridin' the pine
Default

Vinny - What is the co$t of your teaching sessons? :woot
TexasAggie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2005   #20
Grid
Hall of Fame
 
Grid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 4,299
Rep Power: 2272 Grid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respectedGrid is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

woot! that looks nice. Ive got my Red Johnson, my White Davis, and by Blue Robinson.. soon as i get the cash im gonna go buy a Blue T. Johnson, a White Carr, and a Red Babin.
Grid is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > Football Talk > College Football & the 2014 NFL Draft
Home Forums Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:40 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Ad Management by RedTyger