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A pretty good video by the NFL Network.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/houston-te...ns-to-playoffs
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Warren Sapp who is usually really positive about the texans, sure dont sound very confident about Leinart.
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None of those guys believe that Leinart is a guy who can come in and win games. They don't think that Leinart is a QB that can carry a team.

Kurt Warner didn't want to come out and diss Leinart. But all he gave him was "he can be a game manager."

Sapp got totally ticked off that people seemed to think that was a good idea. But Sapp's problem is that he thinks you've got to be Brett Favre to win a SB. How many SBs did Brett Favre win? How many did Trent Dilfer win? How many did Marino win?

You can win a SB as a game manager. It's been done. The whole Dolphin approach to football back in the 70's with Griese at the helm was about managing the game. Brady started off as a game manager. Aikman's approach was more as a game manager.

We haven't seen Leinart do anything in this offense, yet. Maybe he will suck and cost us games. Maybe he'll kick ass and be better than Schaub. It's all speculation until we see him on the field. And not just in his first game. We've got to see him play a few before we'll know what we have with him.
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Default Re: Can Leinart Lead texans to the play-offs ?

You can't really blame the lack of confidence people have in Leinart. There's a number of people on this board - dedicated fans who are emotionally invested in the group - who aren't comfortable at all with the idea of Matt taking the reins, so I can only imagine it's not difficult for others to not really have faith either.

Media members doubted this team before the season started (justified) and we managed to show them otherwise, it's Leinart's turn now.
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You can't really blame the lack of confidence people have in Leinart. There's a number of people on this board - dedicated fans who are too emotionally invested in the group - who aren't comfortable at all with the idea of Matt taking the reins, so I can only imagine it's not difficult for others to not really have faith either.

Media members doubted this team before the season started (justified) and we managed to show them otherwise, it's Leinart's turn now.
FIFY There isn't anything fans can do about the QB situation. What's done is done. Leinart is now the Texans QB. He'll either sink or swim and worrying about it won't affect the situation at all.
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None of those guys believe that Leinart is a guy who can come in and win games. They don't think that Leinart is a QB that can carry a team.

Kurt Warner didn't want to come out and diss Leinart. But all he gave him was "he can be a game manager."

Sapp got totally ticked off that people seemed to think that was a good idea. But Sapp's problem is that he thinks you've got to be Brett Favre to win a SB. How many SBs did Brett Favre win? How many did Trent Dilfer win? How many did Marino win?

You can win a SB as a game manager. It's been done. The whole Dolphin approach to football back in the 70's with Griese at the helm was about managing the game. Brady started off as a game manager. Aikman's approach was more as a game manager.

We haven't seen Leinart do anything in this offense, yet. Maybe he will suck and cost us games. Maybe he'll kick ass and be better than Schaub. It's all speculation until we see him on the field. And not just in his first game. We've got to see him play a few before we'll know what we have with him.
Yeah, but Warner not really supporting Leinart really bothers me, that and the fact that when Carroll needed a starting QB he chose Jackson over Leinhart in FA. Who knows Leinhart could've really improved in the last 1.5 yrs under Gary. We know that Leinhart has performed excellently in big games at USC. So the stage wont be to big for him.

There is hope, but as was said before the season started, if Schaub goes down the Texans are in trouble, just like the other 31 teams in the NFL losing their starting QB. But the bright side is the Texans have already played the tough part of their schedule and will make the playoffs. The sad thing is that with Schaub they had an outside chance of winning a SB.

Now not quite so much
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Warren Sapp who is usually really positive about the texans, sure dont sound very confident about Leinart.
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You can't really blame the lack of confidence people have in Leinart. There's a number of people on this board - dedicated fans who are emotionally invested in the group - who aren't comfortable at all with the idea of Matt taking the reins, so I can only imagine it's not difficult for others to not really have faith either.

Media members doubted this team before the season started (justified) and we managed to show them otherwise, it's Leinart's turn now.
There's nothing new here. They're saying the same thing a lot of posters are saying: "Show me what you got, Mr. Leinart. You busted out of AZ, have you learned and grown as a QB or are you the same guy who Whisenhut hated and tried at every turn to replace?"

Three more days and we all find out.
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Just keep on believing in our TEAM my friends!! It takes a TEAM to win a game, not just one player. Kubes will send in a play, ML will have to execute it, and our players will have to follow through. They ALL do their job we will be fine. We don't need hero's (Payton Manning) we just need our boys to do what they have done best so far, play the game of football with their heart, soul, and every fiber of their poor beat up bodies!!!

It's not over till it's over guys!! We ain't done yet!!
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None of those guys believe that Leinart is a guy who can come in and win games. They don't think that Leinart is a QB that can carry a team.

Kurt Warner didn't want to come out and diss Leinart. But all he gave him was "he can be a game manager."

Sapp got totally ticked off that people seemed to think that was a good idea. But Sapp's problem is that he thinks you've got to be Brett Favre to win a SB. How many SBs did Brett Favre win? How many did Trent Dilfer win? How many did Marino win?

You can win a SB as a game manager. It's been done. The whole Dolphin approach to football back in the 70's with Griese at the helm was about managing the game. Brady started off as a game manager. Aikman's approach was more as a game manager.

We haven't seen Leinart do anything in this offense, yet. Maybe he will suck and cost us games. Maybe he'll kick ass and be better than Schaub. It's all speculation until we see him on the field. And not just in his first game. We've got to see him play a few before we'll know what we have with him.
Lucky for us, our team doesn't need carrying by one man.

IF our team had a white helmet with a blue horseshoe and our QB was #18 I would worry, but we aren't the Colts, Schaub is not PM and our team is NOT focused solely on him.

THIS is why I am not saying we are doomed, as long as Foster and Tate stay healthy and as long as the spot holder we place at QB isnt being paid to throw the game and Kubiak stays out of his own way, we should be fine.

I could be wrong, but I refuse to believe otherwise until I at least see him play.
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After 10 years of a nervous twitch with this team I find it funny that RIGHT NOW I have absolute confidence Leinart will be fine and actually show some "experts" up.

Matt is saying the right things, carrying himself properly and has an air of confidence.

That or:

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Warren Sapp who is usually really positive about the texans, sure dont sound very confident about Leinart.
I don't think Sapp has any real feelings either way about Leinart or the Texans. He usually takes the opposite stance, I think, to add balance to the conversation.

Though we probably would prefer a Texans sunshine conference, most viewers probably appreciate the opposing view.

Sapp is correct though, Leinart is going to have to make plays. While Jacksonville's offense makes this the "perfect" game to start Leinart's resurrected career, their defense is going to test him.

Our run game is most likely not going to control this game. No run, makes the boots "dangerous" to run...... all they have to do is keep their backside contain honest, wait for the cutback or get upfield.

So while many think a play similar to the opening play against Tampa Bay is the way to go, I think a traditional PA from the pocket would be the way to go.
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You can win a SB as a game manager. It's been done. The whole Dolphin approach to football back in the 70's with Griese at the helm was about managing the game. Brady started off as a game manager. Aikman's approach was more as a game manager.
Add Rothlisberger(sp) to the list. Sanchez managed his team to the AFC Championship game twice. & Alex Smith is taking the 49ers where we want to go as a manager.

Schaub got us to 7-3 as a game manager.
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Yeah, but Warner not really supporting Leinart really bothers me, that and the fact that when Carroll needed a starting QB he chose Jackson over Leinhart in FA. Who knows Leinhart could've really improved in the last 1.5 yrs under Gary. We know that Leinhart has performed excellently in big games at USC. So the stage wont be to big for him.
Who knows what happened with Seattle. Right now, the story is that Matt chose Houston over Seattle. Carroll may have been playing mind games telling Leinart he was going to have to compete & Matt decided he'd rather play Kubiak's mind games instead of Carroll's. He may have never liked Carroll to begin with.

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There is hope, but as was said before the season started, if Schaub goes down the Texans are in trouble, just like the other 31 teams in the NFL losing their starting QB. But the bright side is the Texans have already played the tough part of their schedule and will make the playoffs. The sad thing is that with Schaub they had an outside chance of winning a SB.

Now not quite so much
Now, it's up in the air. This team is a lot better than any of us thought it would be at this time. #1 defense in the NFL & that's after going head to head with the #2, 3, & 5 defenses.

Arian Foster & Ben Tate..... we had hopes, but damn!!!!

The offensive line is flat out balling.

& Andre is coming back.

Mark Sanchez took his team to the AFC Championship game twice & the AFC doesn't look quite as formidable as it once had. There isn't one team going to the AFC play-offs that is hands down better than the Texans assuming Leinart isn't the absolute worse QB to ever play the game.
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Who knows what happened with Seattle. Right now, the story is that Matt chose Houston over Seattle. Carroll may have been playing mind games telling Leinart he was going to have to compete & Matt decided he'd rather play Kubiak's mind games instead of Carroll's. He may have never liked Carroll to begin with.
The Eisen Podcast had some stuff on this that was very revealing that I hadn't thought about.

Leinart said that with the old Viking's offensive coordinator coming in, he (Matt) would have to learn a completely new offense. And the fact that the lockout was making this an offseason where he wouldn't have as much opportunity to learn that offense bothered him. Combine that to the fact that they were getting Tarvaris Jackson who already knew the offense and Matt didn't think he had much of a shot of winning the job.

The circumstances just conspired against him or he would have gone.

I think that was a very mature and studied way to look at it.
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The Eisen Podcast had some stuff on this that was very revealing that I hadn't thought about.

Leinart said that with the old Viking's offensive coordinator coming in, he (Matt) would have to learn a completely new offense. And the fact that the lockout was making this an offseason where he wouldn't have as much opportunity to learn that offense bothered him. Combine that to the fact that they were getting Tarvaris Jackson who already knew the offense and Matt didn't think he had much of a shot of winning the job.

The circumstances just conspired against him or he would have gone.

I think that was a very mature and studied way to look at it.
So it was Matt's decision & not Carroll chosing another "QB" over him.

I think that is an important distinction here.
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Who knows what happened with Seattle. Right now, the story is that Matt chose Houston over Seattle. Carroll may have been playing mind games telling Leinart he was going to have to compete & Matt decided he'd rather play Kubiak's mind games instead of Carroll's. He may have never liked Carroll to begin with.



Now, it's up in the air. This team is a lot better than any of us thought it would be at this time. #1 defense in the NFL & that's after going head to head with the #2, 3, & 5 defenses.

Arian Foster & Ben Tate..... we had hopes, but damn!!!!

The offensive line is flat out balling.

& Andre is coming back.

Mark Sanchez took his team to the AFC Championship game twice & the AFC doesn't look quite as formidable as it once had. There isn't one team going to the AFC play-offs that is hands down better than the Texans assuming Leinart isn't the absolute worse QB to ever play the game.
I def have to agree with this. I think when we had Schaub we were for sure the #1 AFC team, even with Leinart i think we're still close. Hopefully our running game and defense can carry us to a lombardi trophy
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I think Leinart's decision to stick with Houston in the offseason rather than go to Seattle doesn't bother me. That team is just not nearly as good as the Texans, and while he may have familiarity with the coach up there it might be just as well for him that he didn't take that job. What if he did win the starters position? He might fail just by the team that's around him, I mean who is Seattle's best WR, Sydney Rice? What's their running game made up of, Marshawn Lynch?

Leinart's past history in AZ? Yeah that bothers me a whole lot, and I just hope that he can overcome it.
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None of those guys believe that Leinart is a guy who can come in and win games. They don't think that Leinart is a QB that can carry a team.

Kurt Warner didn't want to come out and diss Leinart. But all he gave him was "he can be a game manager."
That kinda bugs me because Kurt Warner knows Leinart from their days in Arizona. Sapp and the others never played with Leinart so they're judging him based on his past experience.

But no one, not even Warner though, can know how he's going to do. He's been with us for a year and a half now, so the only ones who know if he's matured as a player are the guys in our locker room. They know what kind of work ethic he has. They know if he's put in the extra time. All we can do is hope that he has and show it on the field the next six weeks. Kubiak didn't go out and get another backup to replace Leinart so I think that's a positive sign. We just gotta hope he's right. I'm excited and anxious about Sunday.
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That kinda bugs me because Kurt Warner knows Leinart from their days in Arizona. Sapp and the others never played with Leinart so they're judging him based on his past experience.

But no one, not even Warner though, can know how he's going to do. He's been with us for a year and a half now, so the only ones who know if he's matured as a player are the guys in our locker room. They know what kind of work ethic he has. They know if he's put in the extra time. All we can do is hope that he has and show it on the field the next six weeks. Kubiak didn't go out and get another backup to replace Leinart so I think that's a positive sign. We just gotta hope he's right. I'm excited and anxious about Sunday.
Warner knows Leinart as a pretty boy jock who was owed everything while Warner took a rather circuitious route to the NFL. There's more dynamics between the two than their time in Arizona. Warner is pretty much a poster child for UDFA's making good, but I believe that also colors his opinions to some degree. "I was a stocker in a grocery store, you were a top 10 pick and now I'm a Hall of Famer!" comes into play.
Warner wasn't around for Leinart's epiphone and subsequent dedication to his craft. I believe that Schaub deliverd that epiphone and took the time to show Leinart how to prepare as an NFL QB. Warner was too worried about his own career to do that. Schaub knew he had the support of the franchise, so he wasn't threatened by Leinart. Hopefully that changes over the next 8 or so weeks while we're on our inaugeral Super Bowl run.
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Warner knows Leinart as a pretty boy jock who was owed everything while Warner took a rather circuitious route to the NFL. There's more dynamics between the two than their time in Arizona. Warner is pretty much a poster child for UDFA's making good, but I believe that also colors his opinions to some degree. "I was a stocker in a grocery store, you were a top 10 pick and now I'm a Hall of Famer!" comes into play.
Warner wasn't around for Leinart's epiphone and subsequent dedication to his craft. I believe that Schaub deliverd that epiphone and took the time to show Leinart how to prepare as an NFL QB. Warner was too worried about his own career to do that. Schaub knew he had the support of the franchise, so he wasn't threatened by Leinart. Hopefully that changes over the next 8 or so weeks while we're on our inaugeral Super Bowl run.
I don't remember where I read or heard this, but someone said that Leinart had already started developing good work habits while in Arizona. I'll see if I can dig up the source. That may be what bothers me more about Warner's comments. If he started to pick up good habits while with the Cards and Warner still think he can be a game manager at best then does that mean he's not any good? Or maybe Warner just doesn't like Leinart for personal reasons? It's all guessing games at this point. I just want Sunday to get here so we can start to find out one way or another!
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