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Old 11-18-2011   #1
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Default Why don't teams in the NFL run the option?

It's always been my impression that teams don't run the option as a major part of their offense was because the QB would get hurt.

So far, Tebow is perfectly healthy.... & VY didn't really get leveled like you wanted.... I mean like you thought he would.

Vick still can't stay healthy, but he's got a totally different build than guys like Vince & Tim....

So I hear this anchor on NFLN ask the question, is this sustainable.... I've got to ask, does anyone think it should be? Every time Tebow runs out there, he's litterally a snap away from being out for the season. Is Quin going to run the option? Is Orton?
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Default Re: Why don't teams in the NFL run the option?

I just always thought it was because the LBs are too fast, but then teams do run the power sweep.

If Matt Schaub had run it, he would've just stopped suddenly and thrown one of those across-field WTF numbers to a wide-open Daniels.
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Default Re: Why don't teams in the NFL run the option?

This is a good question.

It is my belief that it won't take long for NFL D coordinators to figure out how to stop it. The players on defense are bigger, stronger and faster than college.

It takes an unusual talent for a QB to run at this level. Very few guys can pull it off.

And like you said, how long until they get hurt and someone else has to step up.

Give me an Aaron Rodgers type anyday over a Tebow.
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Default Re: Why don't teams in the NFL run the option?

Could it be because of the pro field narrow hash marks? Teams line up from one sideline to the other in college. That and the QB will get frontally, upwardly, helmet on jawingly smashed one time too many. Schaub got taken out on a (foolish) QB sneak.

Of course Haynesworth probably went into a schizophrenic episode when he had a clear shot at one of Schaubs legs but that's another matter. Albert no doubt sees floating heads and such so he's the wrong guy let your QB play around. It was an absolutely bone headed play. I bet McNair is giving Kubiak heck over that stupid call. Anyways yeah, you can get a QB injured with a menacing glare so I don't think one would last long with guys like Cushing and Von Miller getting clean shots on them.
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Default Re: Why don't teams in the NFL run the option?

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Give me an Aaron Rodgers type anyday over a Tebow.
I seriously doubt anyone would struggle with that decision.

How 'bout Tebow or Gabbert?


Tebow or Sanchez?

Tebow or Locker?

Tebow or Painter?

etc...
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Default Re: Why don't teams in the NFL run the option?

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I seriously doubt anyone would struggle with that decision.

How 'bout Tebow or Gabbert?


Tebow or Sanchez?

Tebow or Locker?

Tebow or Painter?

etc...

Lol, I was going for disparity.
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Default Re: Why don't teams in the NFL run the option?

The pure option is actually fairly easy to defend since it is really running a handful of plays hoping that a defender makes a mistake. It also takes a bunch of discipline from the offense. It is not an accident that the military academies (and Georgia Tech) are the only teams to run it in major college ball. In terms of blocking it is kin to the zone block scheme in the sense that a player blocks area first often employing cut blocks.
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Default Re: Why don't teams in the NFL run the option?

Closing speed, condensed talent pool at the NFL level. DB's and LB's are way too quick in the NFL. Option hybrids are ran in some of the league's wildcat formations, and every great once in a while it might work. But for the most part, NFL defenses blow that shit up.
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Default Re: Why don't teams in the NFL run the option?

A good qb must be able to move the ball thru the air first and foremost. If they can run from time to time great but that's why you have a running back. None of the examples given were good passwrs who could run. They were good runners who could pass. Steve young and Randall cunnigham were the only ones I could think of that were good at both consistently. You need a pass threat. I remember Warren moon running an option play against the jets I think. The play worked and the rb scored but moon got rocked and had his chin busted open. I never saw that play run again. A good qb is not worth risking for running the option. Maybe in college where the body can fill in but not the pros where the skill set and pay are major factors.
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Default Re: Why don't teams in the NFL run the option?

Easy, because your grossly overpriced QB's would get killed by LB's like Cushing.
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Default Re: Why don't teams in the NFL run the option?

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Easy, because your grossly overpriced QB's would get killed by LB's like Cushing.
yes.. NFL every one is fast and/or knows angles (if not fast enough)..give an NFL defensive coordinator a few games and they will know how to stop it... hence the wildcat ...reason you didn't see like Tommy Frazier take the NFL by storm...
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Default Re: Why don't teams in the NFL run the option?

As some have said, I believe it is because it is not dependable at this level. It may work as a kind of "gimmick" (didn't want to use that word) but it isn't something to base your offense around. The Wildcat was popular there for a while until D-Coordinators learned how to sniff it out, and since then no one uses it with any regularity.

Tebow will suffer the same fate as VY did. Teams will learn how to defend his rushing attack and force him to throw. VY could throw the ball better than Tebow, but he never learned to read an NFL defense. Tebow is smarter than VY (he has to be, right?), but we'll see if he can get the ball to his receivers.
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As some have said, I believe it is because it is not dependable at this level. It may work as a kind of "gimmick" (didn't want to use that word) but it isn't something to base your offense around. The Wildcat was popular there for a while until D-Coordinators learned how to sniff it out, and since then no one uses it with any regularity.

Tebow will suffer the same fate as VY did. Teams will learn how to defend his rushing attack and force him to throw. VY could throw the ball better than Tebow, but he never learned to read an NFL defense. Tebow is smarter than VY (he has to be, right?), but we'll see if he can get the ball to his receivers.
Whether he's smarter or not, Tebow is definitely more mature than VY.
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Default Re: Why don't teams in the NFL run the option?

Tebow and the Broncs offense was basically shut-down by the Jets D Thursday night except for the last drive of the game. The real credit for the Broncos win should go to their defense.
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Default Re: Why don't teams in the NFL run the option?

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Tebow and the Broncs offense was basically shut-down by the Jets D Thursday night except for the last drive of the game. The real credit for the Broncos win should go to their defense.
Who are admittedly playing out of their minds because of Tim Tebow.. they even said as much. Everyone on that team believes Tebow gives them a chance to win games & everyone plays their best to make sure the team has that opportunity.

It's the same thing we've seen in Indy, they believe Peyton gives them a chance in any game & play out of their minds to make sure they have that opportunity.

Peyton has proven to be that guy. Interceptions or not, sacks or not, bad defensive plays or not, Peyton has shown to have the ability to overcome & win games.

Tebow has not. Why the Broncos feel this way, I don't know. But as long as Tebow does something each week, they'll probably continue to believe it. & "do their part"
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Default Re: Why don't teams in the NFL run the option?

Well, you look at the shelf life of a RB. You generally want a QB to last more than 4 years, and I don't think you can do that by featuring option plays.
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Default Re: Why don't teams in the NFL run the option?

It's like a lot of people have said... it limits the offense and makes the offense one dimensional. When the offense goes one-dimensional, the defense has a better chance of stopping it.

Like the Wildcat, the Option will work for a while and it will work here and there if you can get the defense to expect something else. If it's a gimmick that you don't see very often, it can be successful. In college, the defensive coordinators don't have the time to prepare their defense like a pro does so you can get away with things you can't get away with in the pros.

But if you're goign to make it the staple of your offense, it's going to get stuffed as soon as there's tape on you and as soon as one guy figures you out.
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Default Re: Why don't teams in the NFL run the option?

It would be too easy to defend. NFL defensive players are just too fast and strong for an offense to run the option with any consistency. It may work here and there, but as a base offense. All it would do is get the QB killed at some point.
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Closing speed, condensed talent pool at the NFL level. DB's and LB's are way too quick in the NFL. Option hybrids are ran in some of the league's wildcat formations, and every great once in a while it might work. But for the most part, NFL defenses blow that shit up.
QFT. Most NFL defenses have what crummy to average college teams never have - closing speed at the LB/secondary levels. Also, they are too smart - they watch film religiously and smell those formations, and are so quickly in the backfield that the play never has a chance. I was stunned that the Jets gave up anything to the option - they are one of the teams I would have predicted that would have physically destroyed that play.
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Default Re: Why don't teams in the NFL run the option?

Qb's would just get crushed if teams went to more option style play across the board. You think they are injured too much now, just run the option for a year. Most quarterbacks aren't built like Tebow with running back abilities. Hell, even some running backs don't have running back abilities...cough, cough, Jon Wells, cough, cough, Chris Henry...

NFL defenses are just too big and fast to commit to a run heavy situation when you can keep a guy healthier in a conventional set. At the end of the day the Tebow offense will suffer the fate of its polar opposite offense, the RnS. One dimensional units will face good defenses in the playoffs and they will take away what you do best and you have to beat them with what you do second best. If Tebow can't pass any better than he is doing right now, he may win some games but that team won't be successful in the long run. If Tebow can find a way to throw the ball better than he shows now, it may have a punchers chance to thrive....I'd bet against it long term, but then again, I've already been Tebow'd once this season in my survivor league.
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