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Old 11-15-2011   #41
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BTW, Schaub's contract ends this season...he is a UFA at the end of the year.
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Schaub's contract is up at the EOY....would make an interesting situation.
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scaub's deal is up but leinart resigned for two years? the plot thickens
Vinny, I believe you're off by a year on Schaub's contract - it runs through the end of the 2012 season. The original deal was a 6 year deal done before the 2007 season with a $10 Million option payment that the Texans picked up before the 2010 season.

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Vinny, I believe you're off by a year on Schaub's contract - it runs through the end of the 2012 season. The original deal was a 6 year deal done before the 2007 season with a $10 Million option payment that the Texans picked up before the 2010 season.

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Yep, Rotoworld says the same thing. He's a UFA at the end of the 2012 season.
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Vinny, I believe you're off by a year on Schaub's contract - it runs through the end of the 2012 season. The original deal was a 6 year deal done before the 2007 season with a $10 Million option payment that the Texans picked up before the 2010 season.

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yeah, I seemed to have lost a year somewhere. Just call me Vinny van Winkle...that and apparently, I can't math.
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It could happen. Reminds me of that scene in Apollo 13 where the NASA Director surmises it'll be NASA's worst disaster and Krantz, with the same information, figures it will be "our finest hour."

I think that scene looks a lot like the conversations on this board right now (and understandably so).

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Naa, the year you went on board sabbatical is what got you, that's all.
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his old college coach wouldn't take a flyer on him -- that's all I need to know..

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Instead he hitched his wagon to tav Jackson.

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It was the opposite. Leinart was going to sign and at the last moment backed out. That's the way I understood it.
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Not exactly (but nice attempt to spin it that way). It doesn't appear Carroll was the decision-maker regarding Leinart not joining the Seahawks.

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In a prime example of how free-agency moves this week are not etched in stone, quarterback Matt Leinart has decided not to rejoin Pete Carroll in Seattle — a deal that couldn't be signed until Friday — and instead will stay with the Houston Texans.

According to individuals with knowledge of the negotiations, Leinart had agreed to terms with the Seahawks on Tuesday and intended to be reunited with Carroll, his coach at USC, believing his only quarterback competition would have been Charlie Whitehurst.
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jul...inart-20110728
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I don't get it when people say he has all the tools. He has poor arm strength and on top of that he's a lefty. Not too many of the good qb in the nfl are lefty's. We just have to hope his decision making had gotten better. In Kubiaks system there's always a place where the ball can go. Especially since we have a dominate running game it should be even more open for Lienart to throw to hopefully. So I'm not expecting an Aaron Rodgers performance, just a couple of dinks and dunks that grab 6 to 7 yards a completions.
Nice analyisis. I always think of a QB's dominant hand...People put too much into the "Lefties don't succeed as much" garbage. The stats are skewed because there isn't a whole lot of them. Oh, and Schaub isn't exactly a Howitzer back there...
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Nice analyisis. I always think of a QB's dominant hand...People put too much into the "Lefties don't succeed as much" garbage. The stats are skewed because there isn't a whole lot of them. Oh, and Schaub isn't exactly a Howitzer back there...
Hey now...I'm a lefty too but facts are facts. It's the same reason why you don't see successful ginger QBs. Predetermined genetic factors that exclude them from being top NFL athletes...
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Hey now...I'm a lefty too but facts are facts. It's the same reason why you don't see successful ginger QBs. Predetermined genetic factors that exclude them from being top NFL athletes...
Everyone knows that gingers don't succeed in the NFL because gingers don't have souls.
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That whole article could be summed up with Ken Whisenhunt is a bad evaluator of QB talent.
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Not exactly (but nice attempt to spin it that way). It doesn't appear Carroll was the decision-maker regarding Leinart not joining the Seahawks.



http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jul...inart-20110728
I wonder if some people got in Leinarts ear and convinced him that this was a better situation for him...

I wonder if anyone from the Team like Smith or Kubiak called him and sold him on staying...
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He was making poor reads in the preseason from what I could gather. He has all the tools, but we'll see what he can do with them now.
It may sound simplistic, but i don't think he won't have to go through multiple progressions. This offense may be complicated by formation types and number of plays, but the first read seems to be wide open or else Foster gets the dump.

My main concern with Leinart is actually overconfidence which will lead to him forcing throws later in the game.
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It may sound simplistic, but i don't think he won't have to go through multiple progressions. This offense may be complicated by formation types and number of plays, but the first read seems to be wide open or else Foster gets the dump.

My main concern with Leinart is actually overconfidence which will lead to him forcing throws later in the game.
I fear the opposite - that he doesn't have enough confidence. I hope he doesn't have a "Brad Lidge" syndrom from what happened in Arizona.

You look at Seattle and he pulled back from the contract after he heard that Tavaris Jackson was going there. He knew the offensive coordinator was from Minnesota and didn't want to get caught up in a qb controversy. He wants to start, but it seems he wants to go into a situation that there will not be a qb controversy or he could get benched over favortism/ personality clashes instead of actual performance.
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