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Old 11-14-2011   #381
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Default Re: Schaub injured (update)***Leinart named starter***

Well, this is it. The elephant in the room was Schaub's freaking ankle. It's Houston, something had to THROW UP ALL OVER our AFC Championship run.

That's it.

We're screwed.

We'll finish 7-9 and that will have been our big 2nd place in the AFC South run...

Dont' worry. We'll get back to....2nd....in about 10 more years...
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The fact that he went back into the game after the injury and NOW is seeing several specialists AFTER the game, tends to make me believe that he had a stress or undisplaced fracture which commonly may not be picked up on regular x-ray for as long as 10 days. Kubiak even essentially said that the x-ray machine in Reliant is not exactly anything state of the art. But the decision on the basis of not seeing anything on that x-ray (an x-ray at that point only can be considered useful if it positively demonstrates a fracture or at least a separation of bones implying ligament damage.........not when it's negative), the decision was made to let him return to play, instead of playing it on the side of caution and waiting to hopefully obtain a more definitive diagnosis on your valuable QB with more sensitive and reliable testing. The return to play decision in such a case could have easily extended the injury to completion of a stress fracture or ligament tear, or a displacement of an already present recently sustained stress or undisplaced fracture........making surgery the only option.

I don't in any way profess to have all of the facts. But the above turn of events would not surprise me. We will again all have to wait for what facts the Texans finally decide to eventually release.
So, if I'm getting you, we're pretty much waiting to see if it's a stable Lisfranc that ends his season or an unstable Lisfranc that may end his career?
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Honestly, Leinart sucks big time.

I'd rather have the other guy in there by a land-slide, but we're going to lose our shirts from here on anyway.

God hates Houston sports and might as well take out the whole O-line, because we're screwed anyway.
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WTF!!?! The Texans just can't get a break. Just got home from work and this is what I see! Bad timing for Kubiak and the organization. Well... Next man up.
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I remember several reports being inaccurate this year about the Texans. Recall the "Leinart to Seahawks" report? Remember the "Walter out for several weeks/season"? He missed 1 game IIRC. People want news, and dramatic stories make headlines. They could be right, but I'm trying to be cautiously optimistic.
The difference i've seen is the significance of the player. When walter went down it was barely reported, but when Mario when down you had every insider in the industry looking into it and 10 minutes after his MRI you had the news. As much as i hate it, adam schefter is rarely wrong.
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The fact that he went back into the game after the injury and NOW is seeing several specialists AFTER the game, tends to make me believe that he had a stress or undisplaced fracture which commonly may not be picked up on regular x-ray for as long as 10 days. Kubiak even essentially said that the x-ray machine in Reliant is not exactly anything state of the art. But the decision on the basis of not seeing anything on that x-ray (an x-ray at that point only can be considered useful if it positively demonstrates a fracture or at least a separation of bones implying ligament damage.........not when it's negative), the decision was made to let him return to play, instead of playing it on the side of caution and waiting to hopefully obtain a more definitive diagnosis on your valuable QB with more sensitive and reliable testing. The return to play decision in such a case could have easily extended the injury to completion of a stress fracture or ligament tear, or a displacement of an already present recently sustained stress or undisplaced fracture........making surgery the only option.

I don't in any way profess to have all of the facts. But the above turn of events would not surprise me. We will again all have to wait for what facts the Texans finally decide to eventually release.
If the x-ray didn't produce a definitive "picture" of what might be there, then maybe it's not as severe? I get what you're saying though--It could take 10 days and more "pictures" to see more clearly what's going on in his foot, correct?

Which, if I am thinking correctly, is why Kubiak said that Schaub is going to have several more looksies at it over the next two weeks. Maybe?

Am I on the right track, or no?

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This either goes one of two ways, or I'll be disappointed. Either Leinart shows that he's been hungry for another shot, and has been working this entire time (not just the next 2 weeks) - OR we go after a QB early in the draft next year. If we don't do either, then I'll be very disappointed. Schaub is neither young, an ironman, or exceptionally athletic. His replacement needs to start being groomed. Think Aaron Rogers, with a 3 year sit behind Favre.
I don't see how Kubiak, Smith, and McNair do not take a QB in round 1 or 2 of the 2012 draft. Now is the time. You have to grab a guy and sit him for 2012...let Schaub play in 2012 and let the new kid sit and watch, then let the chips fall where they may for Matt Schaub after 2012 season ends--Either he stays and assumes a backup/mentor role for the sophomore QB or he tries to go after QB1 money elsewhere. Franchise tag in this situation--What does it look like and would it be a viable option on Schaub to gain us a 2013 out of him just to have the insurance and maybe even sit the sophomore another year?
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...Early draft boards have RG3 as 5th best qb and 41st best prospect. If he comes out and is there, you can't get a better situation.
How 'bout we draft that guy from North Carolina in the 2011 draft?
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I think Leinart will be good enough to get in to the playoffs but I think not having Schaub will hurt the most in the playoffs.
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...could have easily extended the injury to completion of a stress fracture or ligament tear, or a displacement of an already present recently sustained stress or undisplaced fracture........making surgery the only option.
What do you make of not coming right out & saying surgery is the only option..... I mean they did more tests today & have sent the x-ray or MRI to some specialist & waiting for a guy who is out of the country, etc... etc..

If it were the situation you described, we wouldn't need to go for all these second & third opinions right?
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RGIII is just as brittle.

We need an Elway type in terms of durability..

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In terms of mobility, ability, and iq, rg3 is perfect for kubes. Big arm, accurate, high iq,great feet.
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In terms of mobility, ability, and iq, rg3 is perfect for kubes. Big arm, accurate, high iq,great feet.
Except he doesn't show up in winnable games
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It's like a cosmic predestination that the Texans are not allowed to do well. Just when people were finally starting to remark about the Texans being a good team, and just when I was finally starting to believe that the team was going somewhere, we get this news. I was talking with a coworker at lunch today about how the Texans were finally into the "good team" category that reminded me of teams that you expect to be able to win every game. Then, we get this news, and it's back to the same old "if things go just right, we maybe have a shot to be better than mediocre" feeling.
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How is Leinart's mobility? Is this a strength we can play to?
Honestly, when I watched him in the preseason...he is not very fast and he got chased down very quickly. I can remember one preseason game where he played a lot...granted, it was with 2nd and 3rd stringers alongside him...he would roll out and could barely get to the sideline to throw it away as defnders were hunting him down.

As bad as Schaub is about mobility, I'm pretty sure Schaub is better than Leinart in that category--It's more having to do with timing and trust of the WRs/TEs, and overall awareness...THAT, IMO, is where Schaub is obviously one-up on Leinart as we wait to see how Leinart does out there. Can Leinart hoof it and get out there on the bootlegs (PROPERLY) or does his footwork get sloppy and he lumbers about and ruins the flow of the pass play??? Just read where Leinart says "I've been working on my footwork and it's gotten better" but man oh man he has GOT to be 100% on whether it's improved or not. We're all gonna' find out in two weeks, that's for sure.

If I was McNair, I'm not going to sit and wait to see if Leinart will do OK. Yeah, I'm definitely going to let him play vs. Jax. However, I'm going to go out and get Favre like I should have done a season or two ago when I had the chance to. Because THIS year, a guy like Favre who KILLS defenses when his RBs and o-line are running the ball really, really well (it's the play-action that Favre murders defenses with, duh!) a guy like Favre, if I'm McNair, presents some sort of playoff experience whereby you can try to Kurt Warner this deal and get a ring out of the situation.

Favre is smart. He wants to play, even if I have always ragged on the guy for it. He could take our offense and slay opponents with Foster-Tate-OD/Dreessen-AJ-KW/JJ. SLAY THEM.

If I'm McNair, I call the old man up and tell him we need a gunslinger for hire. We need a hired gun. Do you not think this Texans defense would absolutely go bonkers if they had Leinart and Favre to trust with Schaub being on the shelf for so long? It's not a shot at Leinart, he has to know this is how it goes. This is how it is. This is the NFL, and you do what you have to do in order to field the best team you can no matter the circumstances.

I'm on the phone with Favre right now. I'm telling him he has two weeks to come and learn the playbook. He has the Jax game to sit on the sideline and soak it up even more, and he might get the shot if Leinart is sinking.

I don't wait and see. I see that this as a title that is here for our taking; that we've been held down one way or another for way too long now, and I'm going to lie, steal, cheat or even kill to get the Texans as far as I can.

I won't blame Bob if he doesn't do it. I really won't. But man, I'd go nuts if he pulled off a stunt like this and made it happen. After Leinart, there's who??? I love Yates, rah-rah-rah and all that jazz, but he is who he is...and this season is here for us RIGHT NOW. RIGHT. NOW.

Out of all the out-of-work QBs that I would trust to throw the ball and make things happen, based on what we got for that QB to work with, Old Man Favre has to be the one guy you look at it and think "You know what? The guy can go balls if he has a running game to keep defenses honest." Period.

End of rant.
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Except he doesn't show up in winnable games
Would that include TCU?
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So, if I'm getting you, we're pretty much waiting to see if it's a stable Lisfranc that ends his season or an unstable Lisfranc that may end his carreer?
The former is pretty much true. The latter does not necessarily hold true. But it is a long return to playing shape. And when he returns, he may not be the immobile Schaub we know. He may become the very immobile Schaub we would rather not know.
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In terms of mobility, ability, and iq, rg3 is perfect for kubes. Big arm, accurate, high iq,great feet.
I'm on board, leebigeztx. I was on board way back at the start of the NCAA season when I went into the college football forum and started asking you guys about RG3 and if he's legit or a poser like we saw in JeMarcus Russell and VY.

The consensus was that he's a pretty doggone good QB.

Accurate (he threw a bazillion completions before throwing his first interception), mobile, and a home-state college kid. I like it, but I think we'd have to move way up to grab him in early round 1 with how desperate teams are for a quality QB these days.

Andy Dalton would have been ideal, but hindsight is 20/20.
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I don't see it. I think the guy is overrated, but we'll find out in the draft.

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I don't see how Kubiak, Smith, and McNair do not take a QB in round 1 or 2 of the 2012 draft.

Why?

Do you, or do you not like what Schaub has done over the past 5 years? Matt Schaub was not a 1st or 2nd round pick, not until we gave up two 2nds to get him.
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I'm on the phone with Favre right now...
I'm on the phone with Elway.
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