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Old 04-27-2005   #21
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I love the post GRID!

I personally went through a similar situation in my career. I came to a new place where everything was good to go, but not great. After some shuffling around of personnel, and two years later, we were all happy and it was as smooth as butter. It was amazing to watch. I feel the Texans are doing the same thing right now.

They said it was a five year plan, so people around here should give them 5 years, not 3!!!! As goes the same in war, people want to see destruction and reconstruction in 3 minutes. It is not possible. People think that if they dont see results right away, then your not doing your job.

Give it time, if your a real Texans fan, you will understand whats going on.

Give em' hell Texans in '05!!!!!!
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Excellent post disaacks3, I am with you on this one. It is going to take time to put this all together. I'm still in shock over all of this and it may take a while to put my heart back into this team once I get it back from the trash dumpster, but I should have hope for next year since there were going to be so many decisions to be made then. We've just sped all these decisions up a year, prematurely In my opinion. We were on the verge of being a 9-7 team last year, now we are regressing IMO. Next year will be huge for this staff.
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here's where we are...it's year 4 of the texans franchise and we're rebuilding.


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Grid, I think your post is very well thought out and your opinions are straight forward and concise (regardless of the length), but I only disagree with you on one point...Some of those veterens who came to Houston in the expansion draft are and were Texans when they came. Glenn and Coleman to be specific. They both are from Texas (Glenn - Humble, TX and Coleman - Dallas, TX) and went to college in Texas (Glenn - TX A&M and Coleman - TX Tech). These are both true Texans who happened to be drafted to New York for a few years. Nothing makes you more proud than to represent where you are from and to have thousands of fans screaming for you from your home state.

I agree with everything else, but I don't think Houston was another paycheck to Glenn or Coleman. The Texans mean more to them than it ever will to us.

It's inevitable that these guys are going to age and have to leave, but lets not belittle their loyalty to their home state.
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great post grid. i'd like to add something though. i think the moves we're making to make the team younger in areas will benefit us in the long run. imo, keeping guys like glenn and sharper may have gotten us to the superbowl once, maybe twice at the most. that is the five year plan. by adding younger players, it will make it alot easier for the texans to get to more than 1 superbowl. we should all look at this as a 10 year plan, with us making the playoffs in year 4 or 5. by adding these younger players now, they will have time to develop into our system, so the years after 4 or 5 we won't have to replace guys like sharper or glenn with new players unaccustomed to the system. then we can start drafting guys and not expecting them to start their first season. they can play 2nd or 3rd string, then when we need to cut another old man, they're ready to replace them. sure we'll get some free agents as the years go on, but most of our guys will be handpicked(drafted) by cass and dom. look at the texans in 2002. almost the whole team was basically free agents. then 2003, a few less, 2004, less free agents, and finally 2005 even less free agents. please don't take this as real free agents, what i mean is every year that goes on, we're losing the original free agents acquired through the expansion draft. seriously do we want to be like the panthers? great second season, lots of free agents, but what happened after that. they didn't get to the superbowl until the 2003/2004 season. personally i'd rather give them time and a better chance to make it the superbowl year after year instead of one good season followed by poor seasons. by adding the younger guys now, this is what we're doing. we're making our team into a consistent winner over the long run. i like that strategy, even if we struggle somewhat next season.
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Good post disaacks, and I see where you are coming from. Just as I am seeing the positive effects that these changes could make, you are seeing the negative. Neither of us are wrong, and neither can say which is more likely.

And our scoring average was "eh" last year.. but it was also very inconsitent.. we would be firing it up one week and limping through a game the next. I dont think any team we played considered our offense unthreatening though.

And I agree we imploded against cleveland.. but that is an indicator of our youth and inconsitency.. I dont think that means we suck more than cleveland .

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We had what we hoped were positive changes on both sides of the ball last year too, and look how disappointing that turned out!
Well yah, but just cause the changes you make one offseason do not create the results you were hoping for.. that doesnt mean that every change you make from then on is going to be just as uneffective. We made changes last year.. saw what didnt work.. and we have made more changes this year.. its almost a process of elimination. You just gotta keep patching the holes until you hold water.


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The recent changes, in fact, have the potential to disrupt Defensive continuity to such an extent that we may actually backtrack this year
I agree that it COULD cause us to lose a step on defense.. but the way I see it.. were were in the bottom 5 of defenses last year.. there isnt a whole lotta room to fall. If we were gonna make drastic changes to our D.. this was the time to do it.
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I think that the changes we have made thus far are at best negligible. Greenwood for example is probably an upgrade over Sharper, but is he really noticeably better? Buchanon I think has a real good chance to be a better cb for us next year and in the future, but is he much better than Glenn and a 2nd round pick that could be groomed for the spot in the future? I just feel like the Texans have squandered chances at making the team markedly better this offseason. Here is my list of gripes with the front office:
1) Why do you just release guys like Sharper and Glenn? I don't think that you're going to be getting anything of real value in a trade, but something is better than nothing and atleast at the end of the day you can show your fans a late round pick or a little used prospect with potential.
2) Why do you trade down for a pick in next year's draft? Granted we have a five year plan, but do you not think that maybe we should try to be the best we can possibly be every year? We are not in a position to think that we don't need immediate help.
3) TJ over DJ??? I will give you that TJ is a guy that can be a great help, but we are already paying 3 guys a lot of money to play that position. If TJ was the guy you were targeting, you knew he would be there when you signed Payne. I just don't understand stacking one position to the detriment of another in this case. We have 4 lbs on the field constantly, but only 3 of them have any real experience. Maybe DJ isn't as good as everybody that has seen him play thinks, but Peek is a gamble that could ruin our season and lb is a position where we have to be deep anyway.

I think that we may have improved in the long term so far, but I also think that we are going to take a step back this year, maybe 6-10 or 5-11. It is just frustrating to think that we could have done more to help ourselves and we didn't.
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Justice was on 610 radio this morning and mentioned that the Texans had a serious talk with Chris Palmer about his pass protection schemes. Palmer seemed to be willing to make changes. A couple of weeks later he was getting interviewed and the interviewer asked him if Carr what they would do to help prevent Carr from getting sacked so much. Palmer apparently didn't think it was an issue (implying he didn't feel Carr was overly pressured/sacked). I hadn't been in Palmer's "Firing Squad", but if Carr takes another pounding like last year, that will change. I think Palmer is in the hot seat this season.
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Greenwood for example is probably an upgrade over Sharper, but is he really noticeably better?

We wont know if he is noticably better till he is on the feild.. but he has the potential to be better, and costs a lot less.


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Buchanon I think has a real good chance to be a better cb for us next year and in the future, but is he much better than Glenn and a 2nd round pick that could be groomed for the spot in the future?

With his athletic ability and experience in the NFL.. I think he has the chance to be both better than anyone we could have gotten this year, and upgrade over Glenn, and better for us in the long run.


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1) Why do you just release guys like Sharper and Glenn? I don't think that you're going to be getting anything of real value in a trade, but something is better than nothing and atleast at the end of the day you can show your fans a late round pick or a little used prospect with potential.

Look at what Glenn and Sharper were signed for by other teams.. that should give you a good idea of why. They dont want to sign them for the contract we had them under.. they wanted to resign them to a new contract, pay them less, and keep all their players/picks. In order to get someone to trade you for the player.. there has to be a good market for him.. that way two teams will fight over him and they will try to MAKE SURE that they get him by making the trade with you.. so you wont release em to free agency.


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2) Why do you trade down for a pick in next year's draft? Granted we have a five year plan, but do you not think that maybe we should try to be the best we can possibly be every year? We are not in a position to think that we don't need immediate help.

Cause that is what was offered. NO ONE was trading down in this draft.. there just wasnt a big market for it. Trading down and getting your guy and a 3rd next year is better than just taking him at 13 and getting nothing. Trades require two parties.. you cant just say "im gonna trade down and get a 2nd rounder".. you have to find someone willing to give a 2nd rounder to move up.. there just wasnt anyone willing to do that.

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3) TJ over DJ??? I will give you that TJ is a guy that can be a great help, but we are already paying 3 guys a lot of money to play that position. If TJ was the guy you were targeting, you knew he would be there when you signed Payne. I just don't understand stacking one position to the detriment of another in this case. We have 4 lbs on the field constantly, but only 3 of them have any real experience. Maybe DJ isn't as good as everybody that has seen him play thinks, but Peek is a gamble that could ruin our season and lb is a position where we have to be deep anyway.

this has been said a hundred times already.. but I will repeat it again. The amount of money we are paying our current Dline starters does not in any way change the fact that we needed youth on the Dline. Walker and Payne are both old and injury prone and will be on their way out soon.. we needed youth and talent on the Dline. And TJ was not necessarily the guy at the TOP of their list.. and there was no garuanteeing that he would be available to us.. also.. I SERIOUSLY doubt they knew who their guys were when they resigned Payne. And peek has more experience than any rookie we would have signed.. I trust the coaches on that decision.



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I think that we may have improved in the long term so far, but I also think that we are going to take a step back this year, maybe 6-10 or 5-11. It is just frustrating to think that we could have done more to help ourselves and we didn't.
I dont see how we could have done MORE to help ourselves.. any other things we "could have done" are just conjecture and opinions on what could have possibly happened in our fantasy football league.. yah.. we COULD have grabbed Randy Moss.. or he could have sprouted wings and flown to pluto.. it COULD have happened.. doesnt make it likely or feasible. We have made alot of moves.. all of them positive moves for our future. It is possible we will take a step back because of all the changes... but I doubt it. Our defense was in the bottom 5 last season.. there isnt much farther for us to fall... and our offense is returning, more experienced and with Jerome Mathis, Vernand Morency, and Bennie Joppru.. so saying we are gonna take a big step back doesnt seem real logical to me at this point. I could see us only taking a SMALL step forward (8-8).. but I dont see us regressing.
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Looking at the fact that we have a 5 year plan, the goal this year is to finish with a winning record and challenge for a playoff spot, then we have 1 draft and should have alot of cap room next summer to make a move for year 5.
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Great Post Grid , Our D definately has bigtime speed and potential now. I have been a critic of the o-line, but I'm optimistic they will play better and I hope the timing routes work well for Dave, the line and the WR. This should be a fun year. 11-5.
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i think the moves we're making to make the team younger in areas will benefit us in the long run. imo, keeping guys like glenn and sharper may have gotten us to the superbowl once, maybe twice at the most. that is the five year plan. by adding younger players, it will make it alot easier for the texans to get to more than 1 superbowl. we should all look at this as a 10 year plan, with us making the playoffs in year 4 or 5.
That is one of the most convoluted theories I have ever heard. So, you mean to tell me we got rid of Shaper and Glenn because they could only deliver us a mere one or two Superbowls. Well, those losers.

Quote by Grid: And our scoring average was "eh" last year.. but it was also very inconsitent.. we would be firing it up one week and limping through a game the next.

Would you mind telling me when we we "firing it up" any week? Other than the second half vs. Minn, this was a well below avg offense. We averaged 19.3 a game, good enough for 21st, so I will say we moved up from pathetic to miserable, but let's not get carried away with hype.
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Our passing attack was actually pretty strong the first 6 weeks. Unfortunately that was mainly against defenses that finished in the bottom quarter of pass defense in the league.
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Would you mind telling me when we we "firing it up" any week? Other than the second half vs. Minn, this was a well below avg offense.
Why does everything have to be negative? why dont you just go look at the stats?

20 against SD
24 against KC
30 against Oak
28 against Min
20 against Ten
20 against Jac
31 against Ten
24 agaisnt Chi
21 against Jac

Average: 24.222(8th in league)

on the other end of the spectrum

16 against Detroit (could have been more without turnovers)
13 against Denver (2nd worst game of the year for us)
14 against Indi (the blowout)
13 against GB (good game.. just low scoring)
7 against NYJ (!)
14 against Indi (can ya tell we dont like Freeney?)
14 against Cleveland (worst game of the year)

Average: 13 (32nd)



See? all of those low scoring games I just showed were losses.. while all but two of the high scoring games (Minnesota and San Diego) were wins.

Some weeks we brought it.. scored points.. and won games. Other weeks we came in flat, didnt score points..and lost games. The SD game should have been a win, but turnovers killed us.. the Minnesota game could have been a win if we had played better in the first half.
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i like the effort but the fact remains the texans are no closer to the playoffs or the SB than they were in 2002. Casserly has done a terrible job in my view and i know my view is not shared by everyone. Sharper and Glenn were the two most consistent players on D that kept the D together. I like Dunta, AJ and DD but i am not sold on Carr or anyone else he has brought in. I really think the Babin trade and the TJohnson trade have crystalized my view that we need to go the way of the Browns and rebuild with a new GM. We wont be winning the AFC South this yr and i think the playoffs are a reach too.
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man..... thats just crazy .
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Saw this and immediatly thought of this board

the similarities are uncanny
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Saw this and immediatly thought of this board

the similarities are uncanny
well that was retarded.
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