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Old 11-11-2011   #21
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Wolf, I think the idea of drafting a CB later rounds is thinking the pick would replace a vet costing more. I agree you don't want to just add average depth.
For example on our combined mock we chose Hayward who would replace a back up CB & save a few bucks.
What veteran CB on our roster are you wanting to eliminate for a cheaper rookie? We only have 2 guys that I'd consider veterans Joseph and Allen and only 1 of them makes alot of money. Surely your not wanting to eliminate Joseph? We just got him. Allen is a veteran as well but not a high priced one and isn't playing great but he's not bad either. The others, Jackson, McCain, McManis, Carmichael, and Harris are all still on their relatively cheap rookie contracts. Again I agree with taking a depth FS, it's needed, but not a CB we've got enough young mid round CB's.
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4. Remember Brown @ the Senior Bowl & that I told you so. Probably off the board this late but would be a great fit (swing tackle & fill OG duties if needed).

We drafted a backup OT last year, Newton, why would we need 3 backup OT's. I love the Konz pick and think that he'd most likely play OG for a couple years before taking over at C. Myers has been playing very well lately and there's no way Kubiak is turning over the O-line play calling to a rookie. Picking Konz would make Briesel and Caldwell instant experienced backups giving us good/great depth. I just see Brown as having no place on the team. We need depth at several positions on the team but picking Konz eliminates the need for an O-line depth only player.
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We drafted a backup OT last year, Newton, why would we need 3 backup OT's. I love the Konz pick and think that he'd most likely play OG for a couple years before taking over at C. Myers has been playing very well lately and there's no way Kubiak is turning over the O-line play calling to a rookie. Picking Konz would make Briesel and Caldwell instant experienced backups giving us good/great depth. I just see Brown as having no place on the team. We need depth at several positions on the team but picking Konz eliminates the need for an O-line depth only player.
Newton is a much lower graded O-linemen (4.85) Brown is a similar player to last years Ben Ijalana (8.33) over drafted a little to Colts in 2nd rd. OF course there was the injury to Butler but I expected Derek to be a PS player or camp body only, still haven't seen him play so where he's at is impossible to say in the bigger picture. Caldwell too for that matter & he was a third round pick? But I get your point & if the Texans drafted Konz that would make me so happy, I wouldn't worry too much about adding another prospect to OL. Thanks man
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What veteran CB on our roster are you wanting to eliminate for a cheaper rookie? We only have 2 guys that I'd consider veterans Joseph and Allen and only 1 of them makes alot of money. Surely your not wanting to eliminate Joseph? We just got him. Allen is a veteran as well but not a high priced one and isn't playing great but he's not bad either. The others, Jackson, McCain, McManis, Carmichael, and Harris are all still on their relatively cheap rookie contracts. Again I agree with taking a depth FS, it's needed, but not a CB we've got enough young mid round CB's.
Allen is the vet I was referring to. Once drafted I look more to their abilities rather than round (other than a first). I think McCain, McMannis could be cut. Carmichael and Harris would be next on my list of borderline players needing to showcase themselves. Remember Allen could switch to safety as Demps has looked good in one game with INT going right to him. Of course, it would be nice if Nolan or Torry Williams stepped up.

Here is my list of next years corners: Joseph, KJ, Hayward(draft), Harris, Carmichael, McCain or McMannis. (6)

Jason Allen is getting $1m but is a FA next year.
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We drafted a backup OT last year, Newton, why would we need 3 backup OT's. I love the Konz pick and think that he'd most likely play OG for a couple years before taking over at C. Myers has been playing very well lately and there's no way Kubiak is turning over the O-line play calling to a rookie. Picking Konz would make Briesel and Caldwell instant experienced backups giving us good/great depth. I just see Brown as having no place on the team. We need depth at several positions on the team but picking Konz eliminates the need for an O-line depth only player.
IMO, Newton should not be on roster and probably will not be next year. I'm ok with Butler as reserve tackle but Brisel should be a back up. Studdard needs to go and Caldwell has shown me zip.
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IMO, Newton should not be on roster and probably will not be next year. I'm ok with Butler as reserve tackle but Brisel should be a back up. Studdard needs to go and Caldwell has shown me zip.
Butler will be a free agent again after next season. So far resigning him to that two-year, $3.8 million contract, has been insurance not used. Myers is making about half (2.75) what he deserves or will be offered in FA. Dreessen makes about the same as Allen (910,00-980,00) both free agents, both addressed here with these picks. I'm not even going to get into DeMecos six-year, $48 million contract, because I feel he will be willing to restructure this contract to help resign Mario Williams. Jacoby Jones contract extension ends in 2014, Walters 2015 but no one can possibly argue that WR is not a need that can be overlooked. There is a lot of thought & bang for your buck in this mock.
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I like it for the most part .... especially the positions tho I might change up their order.


Broyles is a real questionmark right now .... I had him as a second rounder prior to the injury tho many have / had him higher. I think I'd prefer one of the bigger WR's ..... even if it meant taking one in the first and moving the OL pick down a slot. but that all depends upon who's available at the time.
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He also says Courtney Upshaw will still be available. You can't have too many maniac LBs in a 3-4 defensive scheme. So I'd rather give Wade more tools than mess with a line that has regularly produced 200 rushing yds game.

Give me the LB over the lineman
...especially if we cannot re-sign Mario.
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He also says Courtney Upshaw will still be available. You can't have too many maniac LBs in a 3-4 defensive scheme. So I'd rather give Wade more tools than mess with a line that has regularly produced 200 rushing yds game.

Give me the LB over the lineman
...especially if we cannot re-sign Mario.
I like Upshaw too, a lot, but as I stated the Texans will find a way to resign Mario Williams, hence went in another direction with this mock. If they cannot reach agreement by draft day then Upshaw or Ingram shoots up to top of my list as well. Konz for now is a very viable, safe & important prospect to consider.
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Butler will be a free agent again after next season. So far resigning him to that two-year, $3.8 million contract, has been insurance not used. Myers is making about half (2.75) what he deserves or will be offered in FA. Dreessen makes about the same as Allen (910,00-980,00) both free agents, both addressed here with these picks. I'm not even going to get into DeMecos six-year, $48 million contract, because I feel he will be willing to restructure this contract to help resign Mario Williams. Jacoby Jones contract extension ends in 2014, Walters 2015 but no one can possibly argue that WR is not a need that can be overlooked. There is a lot of thought & bang for your buck in this mock.
Unused insuranc is the best to have. I know Butler can play LT. I 'd like to have an OG that could put Brisiel to backup. Also, if Upshaw is available in first, I pick him whether Mario is on team next year or not.
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Unused insuranc is the best to have. I know Butler can play LT. I 'd like to have an OG that could put Brisiel to backup. Also, if Upshaw is available in first, I pick him whether Mario is on team next year or not.
honestly after todays performance do the Texans really need Mario? or Upshaw? Is Tampa's OL that bad or Texans DL that good? Sure seems like they're the ones who need OL help. really right now what is the Texans weakness? I thought the secondary was downright outstanding... when have we ever said that. The OL was workmanlike ground & pound (how about that for a nickname for Foster & Tate?) although not dominate in sense they couldn't use one more stud up front. The injury to Owens is troubling, hope its not serious but then I did have a TE in this mock. ILB looked steller with DeMeco returning to form with amped up Cushing. Jacoby stepped it up, maybe played his most complete game to date (wished I had used him in my league). Heck, even Kubiak's challenges are working

it's going to take some work to develop another mock that makes sense with everything clicking, but I will make another which reflects momentum Texans have displayed in recent weeks. This a new challenge, its not out of frustration or inept team performance it's drafting for a Championship with ability to stay on top & keep some longevity, now we can talk about BPA
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Upshaw and Sanu are 2 of my favorites in this yrs draft.

If they let MW walk and signed Meachem in FA.

OLB Reed,Barwin,Upshaw,Braman

Wr's AJ,JJ,Sanu,Meachem

That's alot of weapons.
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Upshaw and Sanu are 2 of my favorites in this yrs draft.

If they let MW walk and signed Meachem in FA.

OLB Reed,Barwin,Upshaw,Braman

Wr's AJ,JJ,Sanu,Meachem

That's alot of weapons.
like both your guys but I remain on the Konz bandwagon unless his stock soars out of a hot Texan team, right now still feel good about it http://bleacherreport.com/articles/9...-update/page/4
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First Round: Peter Konz, Center Wisconsin, 6-5 313

Can play either OG position if Myers is resigned but question is with Mario a free agent & Arian Foster contract looming can they afford to take care of everybody? In other words we could have a repeat of Vonta Leach situation. Texans talk a strong game, he's worth resigning but bottom line another team will offer him more. Konz is not only a plug in & play starting Center in this league, probably all pro in this system in a couple years. Been talking about drafting a stud center for several years, the end of first round was never an option before & this is really key how the really good teams stay good (invest in OL) & generally speaking best value to grab a Center, a starting player & future Pro-Bowl player @ his position.

Second Round: Ryan Broyles, WR Oklahoma, 5-10 188


Tearing his acl was just the break Texans needed to allow him to slip this far. Before I was trying to justify him as having outside chance to crack the first round, now there is a good chance he falls to Texans not because he is any less a player but because his rehab time will just be coming into shape around teams pre-seasons. Great player, perfect fit & very productive/polished just what Andre & Co. need. His stats are staggering even with his Sooner career cut short, so I'm willing to allow enough time to rehab & bring in a difference maker @ position of need.

Third Round: Audie Cole, ILB North Carolina State, 6-4 238

ILB not this high intially on my needs list (until Sharpton went down) but with everything that's happened it does make sense. High ceiling ILB prospect, could develop into starter material. Good instincts, frame to get bigger, very active & a winner, great addition to the LB corps. Removed Arthur Brown (character/size) & focused on a more suitable 3-4 ILB fit, that could back-up either Cushing or DeMeco. Cole leads the Wolfpack in total tackles (75) and tackles for loss (8 for 31 yards). He is tied for the team lead in sacks (3 for 23 yards) and has registered four quarterback pressures, two pass breakups and three caused fumbles

Fourth Round: James Brown, OT/OG Troy, 603 1/2 311


Big, Strong enforcer who could be Texans new back-up swing tackle as well fill either OG position. Changed need to 4th rd. by going Konz in 1st, this solidifies OL for years to come. Athletic LT who flashed enough to already be invited to Senior Bowl. My biggest fear is his draft grade climbs & he will be off the board sometime in the 3rd rd. He has really worked hard on conditioning & dropped his weight accordingly becoming more consistent for longer stretches.

Fifth Round: Robert Golden, CB/FS Arizona, 5-11 202

Competitive & aggressive with good size, instincts for position. Texans have a young developing group of DB's that Robert could come in to compete & learn from adding depth & another special teams body.

[b]Sixth Round: David Paulson, TE Oregon, 6-3

Very much in the Owen Daniels mold & playmaker in Chip Kellys offense much the same way Gary uses Owen. I believe he is an upgrade over both Joel & Casey & solidifies the group as a whole. What mock draft would be complete anyway without a TE thrown into the mix?


Removed Seventh Round Pick, still waiting for conditions on Derrick Mason trade.
1. BIG fan of Konz. I don't have him as a first at this point, but I wouldn't be surprised if he is a first rounder when its all said and done. I had primarily thought of him as a C, but if he can play OG, then his value skyrockets. Excellent choice.

2. Not as confident about Broyles as you are. What scares me is that he is rather short, a reported 5'11(so he is probably closer to 5'10). He had some difficulty against the experienced bigger FSU DBs. I think a better value would be Marvin McNutt or Sanu?

3. Not about going ILB this early. Cush and Meco are starters and we are seeing more and more that Wade is going with a single ILB and extra DB look more often than not. However, if you are going to go ILB, its hard not to like Audie Cole. Cole provides quality ILB depth, good ST play, and potential starter material.

4. EXCELLENT choice. These are the kind of draft picks I love. A versatile OL that has the speed to play OT yet the strength to play OG?! If we make this pick, I will personally stand up drop my cape and proclaim "I feel good!"

5. In the fifth round I think you are pretty much looking for football players. I think Golden has some skills. In some ways I see him as another Troy Nolan. Very underrated, but just seems to always be near the football. Love it!

6. With Casey converted into a FB, the Texans have only 3 TEs on the roster: OD, Joel, and Graham. In my mind, all three are the exact same kind of TE. That's not a bad thing, but I wouldn't want to take another one. Instead I would go after Michael Williams. He is a BIG 6'6 270lb blocking machine. He brings an additional lineman like blocking quality and is athletic enough to slip out for a few passes a season. In my mind he would be a menace in the run game like he has been for Alabama.

Overall very good job. I think you drafted great players. While I may not agree with positions all of the players would fit very well here.

AWESOME JOB AS USUAL!!!
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honestly after todays performance do the Texans really need Mario? or Upshaw? Is Tampa's OL that bad or Texans DL that good? Sure seems like they're the ones who need OL help. really right now what is the Texans weakness? I thought the secondary was downright outstanding... when have we ever said that. The OL was workmanlike ground & pound (how about that for a nickname for Foster & Tate?) although not dominate in sense they couldn't use one more stud up front. The injury to Owens is troubling, hope its not serious but then I did have a TE in this mock. ILB looked steller with DeMeco returning to form with amped up Cushing. Jacoby stepped it up, maybe played his most complete game to date (wished I had used him in my league). Heck, even Kubiak's challenges are working

it's going to take some work to develop another mock that makes sense with everything clicking, but I will make another which reflects momentum Texans have displayed in recent weeks. This a new challenge, its not out of frustration or inept team performance it's drafting for a Championship with ability to stay on top & keep some longevity, now we can talk about BPA
Not willing to say Jacoby stepped up. He caught two passes and the TD was on Matt's infamous boot that left JJ alone. Still, BPA is looking better. I will post my bye week mock later today.
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Not willing to say Jacoby stepped up. He caught two passes and the TD was on Matt's infamous boot that left JJ alone. Still, BPA is looking better. I will post my bye week mock later today.
Jacoby is playing @ a higher level:
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  • gaining confidence
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  • playing smarter all the way around
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Jacoby is playing @ a higher level:
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I just wished he was taking advantage of AJ being out and catching more than 3 balls a game. He is big, strong and fast & should have beaten out Walter for WR2 easily. I want to take WR off my mock but no can do.
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I just wished he was taking advantage of AJ being out and catching more than 3 balls a game. He is big, strong and fast & should have beaten out Walter for WR2 easily. I want to take WR off my mock but no can do.
nature of the beast unless your name is Andre or Arian. Jacoby was only targeted three times I think, caught two including ball breaker on opening play.
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nature of the beast unless your name is Andre or Arian. Jacoby was only targeted three times I think, caught two including ball breaker on opening play.
Wouldn't he be targeted moore if Schaub believed in him? Walter used to be Schaub's go to guy after Aj but now it's OD or Foster.
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