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But as last season wound to a bitterly disappointing end, McNair wanted to hear from Kubiak and no one else.

"Basically," McNair said, "I just wanted to see if he was seeing the same things I was seeing."

At the time, McNair almost certainly was wrestling with whether to fire his head coach. Like a lot of us, McNair struggled with balancing his high personal regard for Kubiak with the poor results on the field.

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Firing his coach would have been the popular thing to do, and while McNair was aware how high emotions were running, he said it was never a factor.
The mark of a good leader is someone willing to make the tough choices. & bringing Kubiak back may not have been the right choice (we honestly still don't know) but I know it wasn't an easy thing to do. McNair felt it was the right thing to do & he did it, so I have a lot of respect for a man like that.

The main reason I am not a Cowboy fan, & the main reason I didn't follow the Texans for the first 4 years, was because I didn't like the "yes men" coaches that Dallas brought in after Jimmy Johnson left & Dom Capers who continued to start David Carr regardless how badly he was being protected & how poorly he performed.

My thoughts, as a head coach, you're going to get fired anyway, might as well get fired for your decisions.

So Kubiak came in, low key, but talking Super Bowl from day one & building a culture & an organization that is 100% aligned with that one thought..... I was hooked. Benching David Carr..... yelling at David Carr... I was hooked. Cutting David Carr.... yep, I'm hooked.

Nothing against David, I wanted him to succeed as much as anyone, but when you can clearly see it isn't happening, you've got to do something.

Same thing with Kubiak.. I know. But I was also impressed with the fact that every decision is not just a Kubiak decision, it's Kubiak, McNair, Smith, & Cal in that room steering this franchise.

I know, if I had a franchise, that's how I would do it. Year one, we're going to map out our plan, we're going to have one year goals, three year goals, five year goals, ten year goals & at the end of the season, we're going to sit down & find out where we are.

I don't know what those goals were, but to think we would win a Super Bowl in year three, I would have thought that was crazy talk. A good goal, but not "fire your ass if it's not done" kind of goal. & those goals would have started with where the franchise was at the time. To win as many games as we lose...... 8-8 that would have been reasonable for a 3 year goal. To win the majority of your home games, I think that would have been reasonable as well, which I think we did in 2007 & 2008.

2009, there were some good things & some bad things, we definitely fell short of a major goal... play-offs. & whether you like Gary or not, you have to admit there were several things he could have done as a coach, that would have made that happen in 2009.

2010, big time disappointment. Again, several areas where you can point to Gary Kubiak's failures.

Again, I don't know that bringing Gary back was the right answer. For me, getting to the AFC Championship game would be the proof that it was. However, I was not in that room when they laid out their goals. I was not in that room when they defined success & failure. I am not McNair.

But I know a couple of things. Before you can win a championship, you have to be playing good football. & this team is playing good football... on both sides of the ball. & that speaks a lot about the job the coaches are doing.
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McNair would've brought David Carr back if Texans fans didn't pour
beer and nachos on Mrs. Carr. Bringing Kubiak back was easy
for McNair by comparison.
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This season is an abberation,

Peyton getting hurt and the Jags breaking in a rookie QB will have as much to do with Garys success as anything.

BoBBy did finally spend the $$$$ to get some of the missing pieces. Kudos to BoBBy. But make no mistake BoBBy didn't fire Gary because he didn't want to pay off the remaining yrs of Garys contract. Gary is still Gary and he's living a charmed life.

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6 years of suck and a few wins isn't a reason to rejoice. Once this team does something we can be happy. If we are one and done in the playoffs and go 8-8 next year does it still mean we did the right thing? um, no.

I'm a cynic on this one, but willing to give Kubiak some support. I just hope I'm not disgusted next season. Enjoying this one right now though...so don't wake me up.
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This season is anabberation,

Peyton getting hurt and the Jags breaking in a rookie QB will have as much to do with Garys success as anything.

BoBBy did finally spend the $$$$ to get some of the missing pieces. Kudos to BoBBy. But make no mistake BoBBy didn't fire Gary because he didn't want to pay off the remaining yrs of Garys contract. Gary is still Gary and he's living a charmed life.
see, you guys tie things into this team that don't even matter. If the Texans are going to be one of the best teams it doesn't matter who else is good because the "best" teams beat the good teams. Its all about being a complete team. Jags, Colts, the price of tea in China...doesn't matter. If the Texans are good they beat good teams and compete for a playoff spot...regardless of who else is good too.
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I can't say that this year the only reason the Texans are good is because the Jags are retarded and Manning is injured, that's just disingenious as hell. Has more to do with both sides of the ball actually carrying their weight this year than anything the other teams in the AFCS being good/bad.

Also, I think if Manning was playing this year they'd be 8-8 at best, they are missing a ton of people they had on their team last year when the Colts scraped by with a 10-6 record.
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I can't say that this year the only reason the Texans are good is because the Jags are retarded and Manning is injured, that's just disingenious as hell. Has more to do with both sides of the ball actually carrying their weight this year than anything the other teams in the AFCS being good/bad.

Also, I think if Manning was playing this year they'd be 8-8 at best, they are missing a ton of people they had on their team last year when the Colts scraped by with a 10-6 record.
yep, the Colts would go from worst team in the league to a mediocre 8-8 unit with a top QB who salvages enough wins to get a middle class first round pick.
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It's kind of ironic that the thing that will ultimately save Kubiak's job is a decision that was taken out of his control. Bum talked to Bob, and the franchise hired Wade. That has been Gary's "saving grace" this season.

And, of course, Kubiak is fortunate that his boss has the patience of a cat and loyalty of a dog. Rare traits for NFL owners these days. Hope this pays long term dividends for all of our sake.
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yep, the Colts would go from worst team in the league to a mediocre 8-8 unit with a top QB who salvages enough wins to get a middle class first round pick.
And the Jags are being a typical Jaguars team this year anyway. All defense and running game. It's just that this year they decided to go ahead and let a young QB get his lumps in, where as in previous years, Garrard could actually make people pay (on occasion) for stacking the box. Their OC is really bad, and I believe it's been the same guy for awhile too.

EDIT: I will say that I was (and still would be okay with) ready for Kubes to be fired after last year. I think he's a guy that can't handle having to deal with both sides of the ball as the head man and it does show up. This year the defense is definitely making him look like a genius (especially in the running game department).

If we start winning road games though, and get a 1st round bye and make it to the AFCCG you, me, wanda down the street, and big jim across the way all know that Kubiak is getting extended.
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see, you guys tie things into this team that don't even matter. If the Texans are going to be one of the best teams it doesn't matter who else is good because the "best" teams beat the good teams. Its all about being a complete team. Jags, Colts, the price of tea in China...doesn't matter. If the Texans are good they beat good teams and compete for a playoff spot...regardless of who else is good too.
Agreed

Just pointing out that Garys living a charmed life.
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This season is anabberation,

Peyton getting hurt and the Jags breaking in a rookie QB will have as much to do with Garys success as anything.

BoBBy did finally spend the $$$$ to get some of the missing pieces. Kudos to BoBBy. But make no mistake BoBBy didn't fire Gary because he didn't want to pay off the remaining yrs of Garys contract. Gary is still Gary and he's living a charmed life.
Come on man. How trivial can you get? When the Texans are down, "they play in the same division as Manning" doesn't work as an excuse. At the same time you cannot attribute our success to the failures of other teams. I tell you what. I will give Indy Manning back if we get AJ and MW back. Manning affects us 2 games a year. We have already been missing AJ and MW for more than those two games a year. This team is finding ways to beat the teams on the schedule at less than full strength. Go back this year and most of our wins haven't been "barely" while our losses have been "almost wins". A few years ago when we were winning 8 games a season we were a few bounces of the ball away from 4 wins and from 12 wins. This year you would have to bounce a lot of balls the wrong way for us to be a 3 win team. A few balls bounce our way and we're a 7 or 8 win team so far.

Is our team perfect? No. Are we an elite team? Probably not. Are we a damn good team who has the record to prove it? Yep.

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yep, the Colts would go from worst team in the league to a mediocre 8-8 unit with a top QB who salvages enough wins to get a middle class first round pick.

Disagree

How many times has Peyton finishe 8-8 of worse? His rookie yr?

Doubtful that Peyton finishes 8-8 or worse. But we will never know. One thing we know for sure is that Peyton has had great success throughout the yrs and I suspect given his track record this wouldn't have changed this yr.

This is not meant as a knock against the Texans. Wade is doing an incredible job.
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How many times has Peyton finishe 8-8 of worse? His rookie yr?

Doubtful that Peyton finishes 8-8 or worse. But we will never know. One thing we know for sure is that Peyton has had great success throughout the yrs and I suspect given his track record this wouldn't have changed this yr.

This is not meant as a knock against the Texans. Wade is doing an incredible job.
Your just being emo eyeore fan on this. How many times has Peyton been on an awful team? You are delusional if you think Peyton Manning on a bad team makes them a good team. This ain't basketball where one guy can carry an entire team. There are 22 guy on the field. A great QB can take a mediocre team and make them a credible enough team, but a great QB can't make a bad team a good team. The Colts have tons of issues. A bad defense, slow corners, poor S play, an undersized unit with bad DT's, a bad offensive line, awful game day coaches. Its a mess up there.
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How many times has Peyton finishe 8-8 of worse? His rookie yr?

Doubtful that Peyton finishes 8-8 or worse. But we will never know. One thing we know for sure is that Peyton has had great success throughout the yrs and I suspect given his track record this wouldn't have changed this yr.

This is not meant as a knock against the Texans. Wade is doing an incredible job.
Even with Peyton Indy is a .500 team. He is a miracle worker. It would be a miracle to get them to .500. Their OL is terrible, their RBs are terrible. Last year they went 10-6. Do you think they are better this year? They have drafted poorly for the last 4 or 5 years, a Colts fan will tell you that. They have missed on the OL, LB, DB... Without Manning last year they were a 4 win team at best. They can't get out and jump on people anymore like they could when they had a very solid OL, Harrison, Pollard, Clark Wayne was their #2 and even stokely was a hoss. Since they can't force you to pass their defense is just plan awful against the run.

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6 years of suck and a few wins isn't a reason to rejoice. Once this team does something we can be happy. If we are one and done in the playoffs and go 8-8 next year does it still mean we did the right thing? um, no.
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Peyton getting hurt and the Jags breaking in a rookie QB will have as much to do with Garys success as anything.
If that were the case, We would be 6-0 in our division games & 2-8 outside the division like last years Raiders. We've beat Miami, Pittsburgh, Cleveland outside our division, lost to New Orleans, Baltimore, & Oakland outside our division..... 3-3. Not great, but it could be worse.

We've got 7 games left, 4 outside our division; Tampa Bay, Atlanta, Carolina, Cincinnati. If we go 2-2 over that stretch & sweep our division, we finish the year 11-5.

Our schedule has been easy.... maybe. The Steelers are looking like a good team now. New Orleans, Atlanta, Baltimore, Cincinnati will all probably finish with a winning record. So while we've caught some breaks, our schedule isn't that easy.
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2 long responses, the answer is never.

Peyton is a HOF QB who allowed the Colts to get the Jump on their opponets. I suspect he would've continued to play the way he always has and this would'vre continued. You cant do this with Painter/Collins. This exposed the othe faults with the Colts defense. It's much easier to play defense 10-14 pts ahead. Which was the case most of the time when Peyton was playing.

Having Peyton on the sideline gave his teammates cofidence they could win any game. That's half the battle in most games and it's what the Colts dont have this yr.

HOF QB's tend to give their team tremendous amounts of confidence and it raises the bar for the team as a whole.
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How many times has Peyton finishe 8-8 of worse? His rookie yr?

Doubtful that Peyton finishes 8-8 or worse. But we will never know. One thing we know for sure is that Peyton has had great success throughout the yrs and I suspect given his track record this wouldn't have changed this yr.

This is not meant as a knock against the Texans. Wade is doing an incredible job.
I mean Bullitt is gone, and he was Sanders's replacement who wasn't bad. Hayden is gone. Sessions is gone, Brackett is gone. It's tough to tell is Moala is worse than Muir. That's just their defense.

Their O-line is a mess as well, especially with run blocking (of course, when has that never been the case), and about the only thing good about their line is Jeff Saturday and their rookie LT hasn't been a total disaster. Last season you could start to see them decline, and there's nothing to suggest that even another year older Manning could will this team to a playoff spot again. And I can garuntee that Houston would've won their first game against the Colts this year with or without Manning.
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If that were the case, We would be 6-0 in our division games & 2-8 outside the division like last years Raiders. We've beat Miami, Pittsburgh, Cleveland outside our division, lost to New Orleans, Baltimore, & Oakland outside our division..... 3-3. Not great, but it could be worse.

We've got 7 games left, 4 outside our division; Tampa Bay, Atlanta, Carolina, Cincinnati. If we go 2-2 over that stretch & sweep our division, we finish the year 11-5.

Our schedule has been easy.... maybe. The Steelers are looking like a good team now. New Orleans, Atlanta, Baltimore, Cincinnati will all probably finish with a winning record. So while we've caught some breaks, our schedule isn't that easy.
This is the key to the Texans making the playoffs this yr. (Which tey are finally going to accomplish) Splitting non division games and sweeping division games. I see the Texans Tampa and Carolina and losing to Atlanta and Cincy. When they sweep the division that puts them at 10-6. Which is good enough to win the pitiful AFC South.

This isn't bashing the Texans. I'm proud of what they have accomplished this yr. I just dont believe in crownin BoBBy as being a great owner. Or Gary as finally getting it. Luck has played a big part in the Texans making the playoffs for the 1st time in a decade.

BTW, I would rather be lucky than good anyday and twice on Sunday. The good people keep talking/complaining about how lucky you are. Meanwhile you just keep on winning. I like it this way. But I also acknoledge it is what it is.
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6 years of suck and a few wins isn't a reason to rejoice. Once this team does something we can be happy. If we are one and done in the playoffs and go 8-8 next year does it still mean we did the right thing? um, no.

I'm a cynic on this one, but willing to give Kubiak some support. I just hope I'm not disgusted next season. Enjoying this one right now though...so don't wake me up.
really?

cos you're first paragraph would suggest otherwise...

how/why are you cynical? are we not playing great offence & defence RIGHT NOW without some of our best players? why worry what happens next season etc down the road? do what you say you're doing and enjoy the moment now

i said it at the time but dont mind saying it again- props to mcnair for ignoring the easy popular decision and making what has been a great decision so far
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