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Old 11-07-2011   #41
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Reed has exceled in his rookie season so far. He has given quick contributions with 4 sacks, bunch of QB hits, and hurries! I would say he has been an awesome selection for a second round drafted player. J.J. Watts looks good as well n got a fumble recover early.
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Obviously, since you don't value Mario very much, this make alot of sense to you. To us that highly value him, we don't think getting rid of him will make us better.

You can make the same argument about Foster since Tate is playing so well. I'm surprised people aren't suggesting we trade or do not re-sign Foster.
You must be crazy not to resign Foster! Pay the man when hes done well unlike guys named Chris Johnson and Peyton Hillis. Complain and then not perform well on the field. Praise Foster for just playing hard and not whinning. Pay him Rick lol
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I don't think when the FO look at this situation with Mario they are thinking so black and white about either re-signing him or letting him go.

I think they will try to keep him and offer him what they feel he's worth to the team.

I think the emergence of Brooks Reed probably knocks a couple of million $ per year off Mario's value to this team, but wouldn't think for a second that they aren't going to make him an offer and for good money too.

Demarcus Ware is earning around $13M a year for the Cowboys, Mario is down for $13.8M. That is a lot against the cap, but then again the guy was beasting it before he went down.

I also somewhat cautiously await the rookie wall for JJ Watt and Brooks Reed, especially if we go deep in the playoffs. Amobi Okoye hit the rookie wall and never recovered as I remember so there is a note of caution to anyone suddenly writing Mario off.
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You know what i have to say to those people... We aren't "mario haters", they're overall "team haters". They have to knock everyone on the team down (antonio smith anyone) in order to elevate "their guy" even higher. They can't give any props when it's truly due to other players, if it might make their "guy" look less significant.
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Give the man some props for stepping in and playing at a high level.

4 starts, 4 sacks. One away from the team lead. Brooks is putting together a pretty solid season since he was thrown into the fire. What more can you ask from a 2nd round rookie?
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Anyone who wants Brooks instead of Mario is silly. BUT, it comes down to what will Mario's contract demands be?

Brooks has proven and can start and play well. He has issues, which hopefully can improve with experience and coaching.
I think, regardless of his demands, we keep Mario next year. If the demands are such that the team finds it hard to keep Mario and Foster then you slap that franchise tag on Mario and see what happens. There will be a way to keep both of them. Reed, Barwin, and Mario makes for a great rotation.
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If it frees up a crap load of cap space it does INDEED make us a better team. We can fill holes elsewhere and resign players like Arian Foster, so moving on without Mario can indeed make us a better team.
I think we will be able to sign foster and Mario. I can't remember the last time a team let someone of mario's caliber walk because they couldn't afford him. That's not going to happen. Someone will restructure, cap moves will be made, he will be signed IMO.

As far as filling other holes. . .???

What gaping holes are you looking to fill in free agency that we can't attempt to fill in the draft?

Brooks reed, Mario, and barwin in a healthy rotation makes me excited.
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I think we will be able to sign foster and Mario. I can't remember the last time a team let someone of mario's caliber walk because they couldn't afford him. That's not going to happen. Someone will restructure, cap moves will be made, he will be signed IMO.

As far as filling other holes. . .???

What gaping holes are you looking to fill in free agency that we can't attempt to fill in the draft?

Mario makes me excited.
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I think, regardless of his demands, we keep Mario next year. If the demands are such that the team finds it hard to keep Mario and Foster then you slap that franchise tag on Mario and see what happens. There will be a way to keep both of them. Reed, Barwin, and Mario makes for a great rotation.
The franshise tag, imo, is the wrong way to go. If the tag is $16 million that will mean his cap number will be $16 million. We need to sign him to a long term contract give him $16 million + guaranteed where we can pro-rate that over several years.

A creative GM can get it done, sign Foster, & bring in whatever FA we'll need.

But it's getting harder & harder to identify where our needs are, meaning we'll probably be looking to fill areas of depth.
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I'm starting to think that Clay Matthews and not Brooks Reed is the great impersonator ? Matthews had one good season and right now in his third year in the league and has only 3 sacks, while Reed has 4 even though he's played far less in 2011 than the packers LB.
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The franshise tag, imo, is the wrong way to go. If the tag is $16 million that will mean his cap number will be $16 million. We need to sign him to a long term contract give him $16 million + guaranteed where we can pro-rate that over several years.

A creative GM can get it done, sign Foster, & bring in whatever FA we'll need.

But it's getting harder & harder to identify where our needs are, meaning we'll probably be looking to fill areas of depth.
Things are changing here. Who would thought someone say something like this. I am enjoying every minute of our current situation. Let us take to the playoffs!!! Texans' fans deserve this.

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I think, regardless of his demands, we keep Mario next year. If the demands are such that the team finds it hard to keep Mario and Foster then you slap that franchise tag on Mario and see what happens. There will be a way to keep both of them. Reed, Barwin, and Mario makes for a great rotation.

That would be nice, I just have a gut feeling there's going to be one palm too many out stretched in the off season. I hope I am wrong!
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In a perfect world, we can keep Mario and pay Foster his big contract. In the same perfect world, I watch them both play for us while Jennifer Connelly rubs my feet and Scarlett Johansson feeds me grapes.
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Again, You guys can say what you want, but those other guys simply aren't getting off with Reed like they were when mario was in there. & what's more is that we've hit a soft part of the schedule where that should've been more prevalent...It hasn't happened. Take what you will from that, but the evidence is there.

You guys actually think that we're going to let a proven talent like Mario go b/c a rookie has shown a few flashes? Get real.

#1... Mario's rookie contract was surprisingly cap friendly for a #1 overall pick which is how he got into the picture for #1 overall in 2006 in the 1st place. So why then would you guys think he wouldn't sign another cap-friendly contract with him coming off a season ending injury where he has 0 leverage?

#2, Mario's a team guy & always has been. In fact, coming out of college this was 1 of the pluses about him...he'll do what you ask him to do...

If Reed continues to excel & we're unable to justify keeping him off the field, the more likely scenario is that Mario will be resigned with a cap friendly contract, he'll go back down on the line @ DE & a few other less significant guys will be let go of to compensate. I'm thinking Cody & or Smith could be the odd guys out. Hell even Meco could be at risk considering his lessened role on the defense & the fact that sharpton has steadily improved & was coming on before his injury. Come the draft in 2012, we draft mostly for depth.

But this is ONLY if Reed comes on like gangbusters. i'm talking 12 sacks gangbusters. What he's doing now is cool, but it's not to the point where it justifies inserting him into the starting lineup over Mario imo.
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i think he is what he is. a solid rookie OLB in an ideal system with great play around him and extremely little attention from opposing offenses. the same knocks applied to mario beating tightends (he's supposed to make the play) need to be applied to unblocked reed (he's supposed to make the play). i dont mean to diminish what he's done, because the results are there, but he's got plenty of work to do. i think he'll only get better, but i'm hesitant to heap on too much praise.

Yep..but will Mario.


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Again, You guys can say what you want, but those other guys simply aren't getting off with Reed like they were when mario was in there. & what's more is that we've hit a soft part of the schedule where that should've been more prevalent...It hasn't happened. Take what you will from that, but the evidence is there.
If time were to stop right now, you'd be absolutely 100% correct. But we've got 7+ games left to play. Young guys like Reed, Watt, Barwin... you haven't seen their best football yet & I think that's why people are so excited about them.

The fact is that Reed was drafted in the event that Mario couldn't make the transition, or that Barwin couldn't make the transition, or that Barwin wasn't ready to play, or that Mario got injured.

So if the front 5 continues to play like they did Sunday, progress & bring that kind of production against a quality opponent (Atlanta, Cincy, Carolina) then we won't be the only ones talking about Mario's value to this team.

Leach had value to this team, other teams had more value for him & what he brought..... that's just the way it goes sometime.

I like Mario... I've got 3 jerseys, red, white & blue.... I don't want to see him continue his production for another team.

But it is what it is. Regardless how good our pass rush looks without him, it will be better with him... so we'll always have room for him on the team. But if the team decides they can find better use of the money... oh well.

But personally, I think it's silly to be making that decision now.


edit After reading the rest of your post, it seems like we agree more than we disagree.

However, regardless of what Reed does, Barwin would be the odd man out, unless he's into double digit sacks as well.
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the more likely scenario is that Mario will be resigned with a cap friendly contract.
I really don't think anyone would poo poo keeping Mario and Foster - but I think you are making a BIG assumption with that plausibility of that.

I haven't read the entire thread, but I hope people are saying Brooks is better than Mario right now today (injury aside).
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Isn't the salary cap suppose to increase in 2013? Franchise Mario, give Arian a contract, then resign Mario the next offseason.
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I'm starting to think that Clay Matthews and not Brooks Reed is the great impersonator ? Matthews had one good season and right now in his third year in the league and has only 3 sacks, while Reed has 4 even though he's played far less in 2011 than the packers LB.
I asked you this before - which of his seasons was that one good season? The ten sack season where he was runner up for DROY, or the 13.5 sack season where he was All Pro and an integral part of a Super Bowl winning defense?
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I asked you this before - which of his seasons was that one good season? The ten sack season where he was runner up for DROY, or the 13.5 sack season where he was All Pro and an integral part of a Super Bowl winning defense?
You gotta a gotcha - I'd forgotten he had a double-digit sack total his rookie year ? OK, when I'm wrong (or mistaken) I'm wrong - it's a bit too early for him to be written off but what is his problem with this years low productivety ? Injuries ?
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