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Old 11-06-2011   #21
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LMAO...the same posters who are trying to downplay Brooks are the same posters who go out of their way to praise whatever Mario Williams does, acted like he was the be all end all of this defense, and are the same posters who said we'd be screwed when he went out. Things are getting WAY too predictable around here.

Brooks Reed doesn't just have the skills/tools to be a solid OLBer in this defense...he has the skills to be a STAR in this defense. He's ALREADY above a "solid OLBer" in this system and he'll only continue to improve from here on out.

I also find it funny that some people are even going as far to excuse some of his production to "being unblocked"...yet you didn't hear much when Mario was isolated against Dallas Clark. It's the same system..Wade does a great job at getting his defenders the most favorable match ups. He did it with Mario and now he's doing it with Brooks.

Brooks Reed is a legit playmaker, how can you call a rook who's averaging a sack a start anything other than a legit playmaker? Face it, we hit gold in the second round, we haven't skipped a beat without Mario Williams (heck, we've actually improved in run defense), and Reed should've went MUCH higher in the draft. If he was able to start since day 1, we could be talking about a DROY candidate here.
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Props for calling this. It's clear to me that Wade is a miracle worker.
Yeah, well...it came at the cost of being labeled a Mario hater.

I'll tell you guys what I "hate." I hate anything that isn't what's best for the Texans. I have no favorite Texans players; in my eyes they ALL row the boat or they ALL stand dead in the water.

My only gripe about Mario is the situation with his upcoming new contract, and what that means for the TEAM as a whole. Because I'm in favor of spreading the love and making sure we are always able to field the best t-e-a-m we can, not getting caught up in hamstringing ourselves (pardon the expression) with superstar contracts that box us in.
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Yeah, well...it came at the cost of being labeled a Mario hater.

I'll tell you guys what I "hate." I hate anything that isn't what's best for the Texans. I have no favorite Texans players; in my eyes they ALL row the boat or they ALL stand dead in the water.

My only gripe about Mario is the situation with his upcoming new contract, and what that means for the TEAM as a whole. Because I'm in favor of spreading the love and making sure we are always able to field the best t-e-a-m we can, not getting caught up in hamstringing ourselves (pardon the expression) with superstar contracts that box us in.
You and me both brother.


You know what I have to say to those people... We aren't "Mario haters", they're overall "team haters". They have to knock everyone on the team down (Antonio Smith anyone) in order to elevate "their guy" even higher. They can't give any props when it's truly due to other players, if it might make their "guy" look less significant.
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Give the man some props for stepping in and playing at a high level.

4 starts, 4 sacks. One away from the team lead. Brooks is putting together a pretty solid season since he was thrown into the fire. What more can you ask from a 2nd round rookie?
I was at a happy hour in Austin, watching the 2011 NFL Draft, and as the Texans' 2nd round pick (the 1st one) approached, I leaned over to my buddy and said, "If Brooks Reed is still on the board, we should grab that guy and not think twice." I exploded when the pick was announced. Excited then, and still excited. This linebacking core of ours is muy synergistic, animalistic, pugilistic. Me likey.
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I also find it funny that some people are even going as far to excuse some of his production to "being unblocked"...yet you didn't hear much when Mario was isolated against Dallas Clark. It's the same system..Wade does a great job at getting his defenders the most favorable match ups. He did it with Mario and now he's doing it with Brooks.
step back and see the comparison. mario is degraded for beating a tightend (you're selectively ignoring how much was said). reed is degraded for going unblocked. reed isnt commanding a tightend motioning to his side. he doesnt have a back doubling protection. reed is a rookie going relatively unnoticed by the offense and doing his job when the opportunity provides itsself - very commendable. let's not make it out to say he's dominating the block and beating double teams. he's missed his share of lane assignments and is heavily reliant on others to free him up where as mario helps draw attention away from others while still producing all-pro results. to compare the two while watching the games is asinine. brooks has been great for a rookie, but as someone hoping mario would be traded, reed is miles away from being in mario's territory.

my record makes me safe from being lumped into "mario hater" or "mario fan".
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LMAO...the same posters who are trying to downplay Brooks are the same posters who go out of their way to praise whatever Mario Williams does, acted like he was the be all end all of this defense, and are the same posters who said we'd be screwed when he went out. Things are getting WAY too predictable around here.

Brooks Reed doesn't just have the skills/tools to be a solid OLBer in this defense...he has the skills to be a STAR in this defense. He's ALREADY above a "solid OLBer" in this system and he'll only continue to improve from here on out.

I also find it funny that some people are even going as far to excuse some of his production to "being unblocked"...yet you didn't hear much when Mario was isolated against Dallas Clark. It's the same system..Wade does a great job at getting his defenders the most favorable match ups. He did it with Mario and now he's doing it with Brooks.

Brooks Reed is a legit playmaker, how can you call a rook who's averaging a sack a start anything other than a legit playmaker? Face it, we hit gold in the second round, we haven't skipped a beat without Mario Williams (heck, we've actually improved in run defense), and Reed should've went MUCH higher in the draft. If he was able to start since day 1, we could be talking about a DROY candidate here.
im not going to get into it since we're obviously seeing two completely different things. i have no agenda in a brooks reed/mario debate. like you, i just want the best players out there to make our team as good as possible.

like i said earlier, reed is doing well for a rookie but imo he hasnt shown much to be a star on this defence. ya mario had the odd isolation on clark but hes beaten plenty of tackles and double teams too. reed hasnt shown that much. cushing is obviously the star of this D and the obv talent+scheme= star (btw remember a couple wks back when you told me that to compare '11 cush to '09 cush was laughable).

brooks might be a star down the road but he hasnt been so far and more than likely wont be for another yr or 2 at the earliest
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LMAO...the same posters who are trying to downplay Brooks are the same posters who go out of their way to praise whatever Mario Williams does, acted like he was the be all end all of this defense, and are the same posters who said we'd be screwed when he went out. Things are getting WAY too predictable around here.

Brooks Reed doesn't just have the skills/tools to be a solid OLBer in this defense...he has the skills to be a STAR in this defense. He's ALREADY above a "solid OLBer" in this system and he'll only continue to improve from here on out.

I also find it funny that some people are even going as far to excuse some of his production to "being unblocked"...yet you didn't hear much when Mario was isolated against Dallas Clark. It's the same system..Wade does a great job at getting his defenders the most favorable match ups. He did it with Mario and now he's doing it with Brooks.

Brooks Reed is a legit playmaker, how can you call a rook who's averaging a sack a start anything other than a legit playmaker? Face it, we hit gold in the second round, we haven't skipped a beat without Mario Williams (heck, we've actually improved in run defense), and Reed should've went MUCH higher in the draft. If he was able to start since day 1, we could be talking about a DROY candidate here.
Chill dude.. Amobi Okoye had four sacks in his first four starts.
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I also find it funny that some people are even going as far to excuse some of his production to "being unblocked"...yet you didn't hear much when Mario was isolated against Dallas Clark. It's the same system..Wade does a great job at getting his defenders the most favorable match ups. He did it with Mario and now he's doing it with Brooks.
That was actually dalemurphy's favorite argument, Mario only beats TE's and patchwork O-lines. He kept harping on that and the fact that Mario isn't elite in coverage as to why he is such an underachiver
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Chill dude.. Amobi Okoye had four sacks in his first four starts.


rep for saying in 10 words what i took me 3 paragraphs to try to say
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step back and see the comparison. mario is degraded for beating a tightend (you're selectively ignoring how much was said). reed is degraded for going unblocked. reed isnt commanding a tightend motioning to his side. he doesnt have a back doubling protection. reed is a rookie going relatively unnoticed by the offense and doing his job when the opportunity provides itsself - very commendable. let's not make it out to say he's dominating the block and beating double teams. he's missed his share of lane assignments and is heavily reliant on others to free him up where as mario helps draw attention away from others while still producing all-pro results. to compare the two while watching the games is asinine. brooks has been great for a rookie, but as someone hoping mario would be traded, reed is miles away from being in mario's territory.

my record makes me safe from being lumped into "mario hater" or "mario fan".
If anything, I can see bringing Mario back & bumping Connor further down the depth chart.......... if Brooks keeps it up.
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If anything, I can see bringing Mario back & bumping Connor further down the depth chart.......... if Brooks keeps it up.
yup yup. i like the mix of mario and reed, with connor backing up both.
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i agreed with this before the trade deadline. we absolutely cant let that much talent leave without compensation though ... possibly with a franchise and trade? my guess is we give mario and foster their long term deals at the expense of a familiar name or two.
But if he's franchised isn't that then like 20M guaranteed ? That would be 1/6 or 1/7 of our entire cap wouldn't it ?
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Big props to Brooks for creating pressure and getting some sacks! He's really filling in well for one of the league's best, especially for only being a rookie.

Now getting that out of the way... the guy, in my eyes, is still raw. He's beating people by pure speed. But if an OL gets their hands on him, I haven't seen him have the ability to shed the block. Right now, he's sorta a one-trick pony when it comes to rushing the passer.

But I'm really rooting for the guy to develop his rush moves. He needs to learn how to beat blocks in order to bring pressure and create havoc on every play. He needs to draw the protection's attention. Once he can do this, then we can start talking about the possibility of not bringing Mario back next season.
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But if he's franchised isn't that then like 20M guaranteed ? That would be 1/6 or 1/7 of our entire cap wouldn't it ?
that's why i'm expecting him to return with a more cap friendly long term deal. if we were to let him go i'd assume we'd have some certainty of his trade options before making any tags.
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That was actually dalemurphy's favorite argument, Mario only beats TE's and patchwork O-lines. He kept harping on that and the fact that Mario isn't elite in coverage as to why he is such an underachiver
Howdy!

Mario going away after this season doesn't have anything to do with underachieving... He simply isn't a fit for a 3-4 OLB... He's a gifted player and Wade used him successfully. However, as is evidenced by Reed's production, we don't need a $12 million man in that position. Mario could be a very good to great LDE in a 4-3 for someone. I can't see us outbidding a team like that. I'll wish him well, though. Give me Lamar Woodley if we decide to spend money at OLB this off-season.
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Trading Mario doesn't make us a better team.

To me, Mario is capable of being to the defense what Andre is to the offense. Maybe not exactly as great as dre but I think his presence puts us over the top and makes the unit that much better.

Offense has still put up points in dre's absence but I don't think you trade Andre because other receivers/te's step up and play well. Players as physically gifted as Mario and dre don't grow on trees.

Reed has been getting better and should continue to, but he is no Mario.
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LOL... Does Brooks Reed remotely look anything like Amobi Okoye?
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Trading Mario doesn't make us a better team.

To me, Mario is capable of being to the defense what Andre is to the offense. Maybe not exactly as great as dre but I think his presence puts us over the top and makes the unit that much better.

Offense has still put up points in dre's absence but I don't think you trade Andre because other receivers/te's step up and play well. Players as physically gifted as Mario and dre don't grow on trees.

Reed has been getting better and should continue to, but he is no Mario.
If it frees up a crap load of cap space it does INDEED make us a better team. We can fill holes elsewhere and resign players like Arian Foster, so moving on without Mario can indeed make us a better team.
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If it frees up a crap load of cap space it does INDEED make us a better team. We can fill holes elsewhere and resign players like Arian Foster, so moving on without Mario can indeed make us a better team.
Obviously, since you don't value Mario very much, this make alot of sense to you. To us that highly value him, we don't think getting rid of him will make us better.

You can make the same argument about Foster since Tate is playing so well. I'm surprised people aren't suggesting we trade or do not re-sign Foster.
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