Penn State Child Molestation Case

[Stemp]

That will likely shut down their program for a few years

[CloakNNNdagger]

Originally Posted by HTown2ATX

PSU just became Austin Community College

Students can transfer with no penalty, loss of 10 scholarships, $60 million fine, all wins 1998-2011 vacated and more.

They should be forced to pay for student transfers and any losses those students may have incurred having/wanting to do so.

[Hervoyel]

Originally Posted by silvrhand

NCAA is supposed to deliver the death penalty today:

I disagree with this for a couple reasons, now don't shoot me cause what happened at Penn State is completely wrong and inexcusable. The people that are responsible this should be punished not the 1000's of students that will be impacted by the loss of revenue.

School should have to setup a fund that half it's revenue ever year go to for the next 10-15 years to sponsor kids of abuse. This would allow the current students to continue their tradition which has nothing to do with the cover up. I feel it's wrong to cover penalize 1000's of student for the decisions of the ones involved in the cover up.

Everyone of them should be in jail.

I'm entirely OK with the death penalty and I think I'm on record around here somewhere as being originally against it for much the same reasons that you pointed out.

Now I think it's reasonable. I've changed my mind because I think that it is very important that no school ever again think that it's athletic program and its image be more important than doing the right thing.

Penn State will be made an example of and I promise you that after what's been revealed and what is to come no other school will be stupid enough to try and sweep a pedophile under the rug to keep their program safe and their reputation unsoiled.

....or no they won't. Just caught up and see what's happening. This works too. They're getting pounded as they should be. I still would not have minded the death penalty.

[pbat488]

the penalties hurt, no doubt. but not as bad as what I was expecting.

four year bowl ban will scare off recruits, and the reduction in scholarships hurt. but no suspension of football operations and no TV ban (scared it will hurt other teams) especially make this a punishment bereft of some of the teeth it could've had.

[Hervoyel]

Well, this way hopefully every school they play will beat the living crap out of them. Maybe this is better than the death penalty? If the program had gone into hibernation it would possibly have come out of "hibernation" with all these Penn State JoPa fans having their day in the sun when football returned. Now they get to do the four years of sucking like nobody there could possibly imagine. Losing is hard on fans and a program. Losing like they're going to lose will keep recruits away a lot longer than just the limits on scholarships. They'll carry that stink with them for a while and maybe that will hurt those people up there as much as any death penalty might.

[gwallaia]

Good points Herv. PSU will not be able to hang their heads in shame in private, the humiliation will be public for everyone to see.

[b0ng]

Not really a death penalty (Certainly not worse than a death penalty) but it is harsher than what USC got. No decent recruit is going to want to play there for the next few years.

[Dutchrudder]

Originally Posted by b0ng

Not really a death penalty (Certainly not worse than a death penalty) but it is harsher than what USC got. No decent recruit is going to want to play there for the next few years.

Yep. They got the Walking Dead penalty. It's best for the NCAA, the school and their conference to keep them somewhat alive during their sentence. This way they field a team, get reamed for a few years, keep the program together, and after a half dozen or so years of terrible football they will be able to rebuild.

[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger

They should be forced to pay for student transfers and any losses those students may have incurred having/wanting to do so.

Agreed

They should've gotten the death penalty. This tells me no team will ever get the death penalty again.

NCAA thought process, Paying players> Child molestation

Glad to see Paternos win record taken away tough. May all involved in this mess spend many yrs in jail. Paterno got the easy way out by dying. IMHO

[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by Dutchrudder

Yep. They got the Walking Dead penalty. It's best for the NCAA, the school and their conference to keep them somewhat alive during their sentence. This way they field a team, get reamed for a few years, keep the program together, and after a half dozen or so years of terrible football they will be able to rebuild.

What if they're team is back to being a championship contender in 5 yrs?

I wanted them to have to go the 2 and a half decades of suck that SMU has had to go through. The death penalty certianly changed SMU's priorities and would've done the same to Penn St.

[2012Champs]

Originally Posted by steelbtexan

What if they're team is back to being a championship contender in 5 yrs?

I wanted them to have to go the 2 and a half decades of suck that SMU has had to go through. The death penalty certianly changed SMU's priorities and would've done the same to Penn St.

Im not sure the issues at Penn St and SMU can be compared at all. Even more so when you talk about NCAA rule violations and what not. While Im not against punishment in the Penn case the NCAA certainly changed the rules it opperates by in order to do anything in this case and lets not forget its better for the NCAA for Penn not to get wipped off the map for 20+ years

[Hookem Horns]

I wish the Big 10 would kick them out of the conference and have them relegated to some small insignificant conference.

Edit: this could already on the table. Kudos to the Big 10 if they do this.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...t-it-to-a-vote

[Dutchrudder]

Originally Posted by steelbtexan

What if they're team is back to being a championship contender in 5 yrs?

I wanted them to have to go the 2 and a half decades of suck that SMU has had to go through. The death penalty certianly changed SMU's priorities and would've done the same to Penn St.

Why does it matter if they compete in 5 years? If they can do it, great, but the penalties aren't meant to hurt them beyond the 4 years stipulated.

The NCAA just laid a beatdown on the football program, they will have exactly 3 more scholarships than D2 schools at any given time. No one will want to go there after this, besides PSU alums children and local kids. Not only that, they now have a 60 million dollar fine and a loss of bowl revenue (13 million) to deal with. This football program will not be on its feet any time soon. I think the punishment was appropriate.

[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by Dutchrudder

Why does it matter if they compete in 5 years? If they can do it, great, but the penalties aren't meant to hurt them beyond the 4 years stipulated.

The NCAA just laid a beatdown on the football program, they will have exactly 3 more scholarships than D2 schools at any given time. No one will want to go there after this, besides PSU alums children and local kids. Not only that, they now have a 60 million dollar fine and a loss of bowl revenue (13 million) to deal with. This football program will not be on its feet any time soon. I think the punishment was appropriate.

I get what you're saying.

but I want the penalty to be the harshest in NCAA history. I would set a prescedent that an NCAA institution that knowingly allows children to be molested will suffer the worst consequences possible. This would be the ultimate deterrent in keeping an act like this from happening again.

The tought of a coach raping a child in the showers, (At the fielhouse or not) sickens me to no end. If this isn't the worst case of institutional control possible, I cant imagine a worse case, hence the death penalty.

[Playoffs]

Originally Posted by gwallaia

Highlights of the sanctions.

* $60 million dollar fine

I heard that $60 million is about what the football program clears in just one year.

[FirstTexansFan]

Originally Posted by steelbtexan

I get what you're saying.

but I want the penalty to be the harshest in NCAA history. I would set a prescedent that an NCAA institution that knowingly allows children to be molested will suffer the worst consequences possible. This would be the ultimate deterrent in keeping an act like this from happening again.

The tought of a coach raping a child in the showers, (At the fielhouse or not) sickens me to no end. If this isn't the worst case of institutional control possible, I cant imagine a worse case, hence the death penalty.

I've got to agree with you, SMU's violations were worse than allowing 20yrs of pedophilia? I'm sorry, they should tear the stadium down!

[2012Champs]

Originally Posted by Playoffs

I heard that $60 million is about what the football program clears in just one year.

I dont think that is profit I think its revenue however either way taking away a full years worth a greatly impacting their ability to generate future revenue certainly makes the final financial impact greater

[2012Champs]

Originally Posted by FirstTexansFan

I've got to agree with you, SMU's violations were worse than allowing 20yrs of pedophilia? I'm sorry, they should tear the stadium down!

The NCAA nor the police have the authority to tear down the stadium.

[Texan_Bill]

Originally Posted by Playoffs

I heard that $60 million is about what the football program clears in just one year.

Pretty close.



Those numbers are just revenue (no expenses).

[Playoffs]

Originally Posted by Texan_Bill

Those numbers are just revenue (no expenses).

PSU cleared $53,228,446 from football in 2010/2011.

http://businessofcollegesports.com/2...ball-programs/