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Old 11-03-2011   #21
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On the larger topic, can someone please point out a Myers hater? Most people I talk to (that are hard core followers) are all pleased with his play.
Yeah, I'm trying to figure out the glory here of this thread myself Vin. I mean, where were all of these Myers haters to begin with?? It's not like he was ever even relevant enough to have a ton of haters. If he did, it was because he wasn't playing well, so the criticism was warranted. What is next, some thread where a die hard Jacoby Jones fan is beating his chest because he has a stretch of impressive games and calls everyone a bunch of haters. Lol! This thread is silly.
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Myers struggles when he faces large athletic NTs. He had difficulty with Ngata Soliai, Aubrayo Franklin, and Seymour. He would struggle against Raji or Wilfork as well. That's not a knock on him, but a 292 lb center is simply no match for a 330 lb NT. There is only so much that can be done when you give up 40 lbs.

In fact look at the way the wording of the article

"Myers will only face two “true” 3-4 defenses, along with the Ravens who play some 3-4 but operate with a nose tackle on most plays, and those tests are behind him. For the rest of the season Myers faces the sort of 4-3 defense that he excels against, working laterally to pick up and pass off blocks from guards and working to the second level."

See, Myers excels against the smaller quick DTs that routinely are on the field in 4-3 packages.

Myers success this year is partially due to being healthy and not having to deal with a lot of 3-4 athletic NTs.
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Yeah, I'm trying to figure out the glory here of this thread myself Vin. I mean, where were all of these Myers haters to begin with?? It's not like he was ever even relevant enough to have a ton of haters. If he did, it was because he wasn't playing well, so the criticism was warranted. What is next, some thread where a die hard Jacoby Jones fan is beating his chest because he has a stretch of impressive games and calls everyone a bunch of haters. Lol! This thread is silly.
Well I personally had some pretty intense arguments with some posters on here about it, specifically before the 2009 draft. There was quite a campaign building to draft/sign Myers' replacement immediately because "we couldn't go on with him as our center." My argument was his negative plays had been magnified by the media and people on here, and he really wasn't as bad as he was made out to be when you look at his body of work. The argument carried on past the draft, into the 08 and 09 seasons, all the way to last year when people started to come around on him.
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Well I personally had some pretty intense arguments with some posters on here about it, specifically before the 2009 draft. There was quite a campaign building to draft/sign Myers' replacement immediately because "we couldn't go on with him as our center." My argument was his negative plays had been magnified by the media and people on here, and he really wasn't as bad as he was made out to be when you look at his body of work. The argument carried on past the draft, into the 08 and 09 seasons, all the way to last year when people started to come around on him.
That's cool man. I just never even thought of Myers as a guy that anyone would have argued that much over any way. It is very good to see that he is having a breakout season.
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Props to Myers.
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any player you take in rounds 1,2, or 3 are expected to start eventually.
Personally, I think it was the drafting of Caldwell that kinda lit a fire under Myers. As I recall, it was speculated by some of our draftniks - during and after the 2009 draft - that Caldwell was selected to take Myers' job. And to Myers' credit, he stepped up and didn't let that happen.
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Myself and all of the others on here who have defended Chris Myers from the beginning, let's all give ourselves a pat on the back if you haven't already.

The haters? Eat up (yea its a chicken but pretends its a crow)
Dude!! Duuuude!!!!! Eff off! I've eaten crow several times including within the last couple of days!
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will say this much, especially on the OL it takes time to work well in the grp
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Personally, I think it was the drafting of Caldwell that kinda lit a fire under Myers. As I recall, it was speculated by some of our draftniks - during and after the 2009 draft - that Caldwell was selected to take Myers' job. And to Myers' credit, he stepped up and didn't let that happen.
Also could be true, good point.
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Myers struggles when he faces large athletic NTs. He had difficulty with Ngata Soliai, Aubrayo Franklin, and Seymour. He would struggle against Raji or Wilfork as well. That's not a knock on him, but a 292 lb center is simply no match for a 330 lb NT. There is only so much that can be done when you give up 40 lbs.

In fact look at the way the wording of the article

"Myers will only face two “true” 3-4 defenses, along with the Ravens who play some 3-4 but operate with a nose tackle on most plays, and those tests are behind him. For the rest of the season Myers faces the sort of 4-3 defense that he excels against, working laterally to pick up and pass off blocks from guards and working to the second level."

See, Myers excels against the smaller quick DTs that routinely are on the field in 4-3 packages.

Myers success this year is partially due to being healthy and not having to deal with a lot of 3-4 athletic NTs.
bottom line is Myers strength is his second level ability and his nimble feet, not his smash mouth blocking. That can be said for many centers though. Its a strange dynamic at the center position because the C is usually the smallest linemen on the O-line (they have to be more flexible than most of the mammoth linemen in the NFL) but the center usually always blocks the largest player on the defense (NT) when facing an odd front. So long story short, Myers plays best against even (uncovered ie 4-3) fronts, and isn't as productive vs an odd man front (3-4). I'm backing up your post, not educating you fwiw.
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Myers had a high ankle sprain his second season I believe. It happened in camp and I'm sure it never healed completely that year. He has progressed ever since.
Yes, in Aug 2009.
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Yeah, I'm trying to figure out the glory here of this thread myself Vin. I mean, where were all of these Myers haters to begin with?? It's not like he was ever even relevant enough to have a ton of haters. If he did, it was because he wasn't playing well, so the criticism was warranted. What is next, some thread where a die hard Jacoby Jones fan is beating his chest because he has a stretch of impressive games and calls everyone a bunch of haters. Lol! This thread is silly.
DUDE!! Are you that ignorant?? I've stated many times that I bagged on Myers and since have eatin' crow.... yet several times!! Get over yourself as the "all know of everything about everything"!!!

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Myers also threw one hell of a retirement party for Kris Jenkins...so I hear hahaha.
To this day, I've never seen a grown man more manhandled and tossed around like Myers was in that game. Call me a hater, realist, or whatever you want. It's a fact. In the words of Pedro Martinez, Jenkins was Myers daddy after that game.
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I ate my crow in the last thread about Myers .... He made a big leap last season and its carried over to this season ..... Just hope he stays at this level of play (or better) for a long time.
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Up until last year, I wasn't happy with the interior of our line. I wanted to improve our center and our guards. I was hoping Caldwell and Shelly Smith would step in and do some good. I was hoping Caldwell would improve the center spot and Smith, the right guard.

I expected Wade Smith to be another Jordan Black.

I was wrong. This group, with the addition of Wade Smith, really gelled and has been playing very well the past couple of years.
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Man, I already ate up a big bowl of it but here's to another.



Just don't act like the criticism at the time wasn't deserved. Good on him for making the jump from extremely medicore to above average but he WAS extremely mediocre for a good long while.
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Well I can't speak for all Myers' defenders, but my stance the entire time was give him time and let him develop, as every player deserves a learning grace period. People flipped because he had a few freak plays that looked especially bad and jumped to conclusions.

In fact, if the front office wasn't as irrational and impatient as the Myers haters on this board, maybe they wouldn't have wasted a 3rd round pick on current bust Antoine Caldwell. Mike Wallace was selected 7 picks later.
Do you really think Schaub could throw to Mike Wallace? We would have to have a cut off man to get it deep to this burner. He is in a perfect place for his skill set.
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I thought he sucked a couple years ago, which he did. He's playing good now. If that's considered "eating crow"....okay
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