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Old 04-26-2005   #21
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I have to say that I thought we'd keep AG but were all wrong once. :woot
The way that management was talkingwhen the deal first went down, I thought PB would be a nickle back.
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I would have liked to see AG and PB fight it out for the 2nd CB spot and get us 4 deep at the position. I expected us to start looking for replacements for Walker and Glenn soon, however. I knew Foreman was the weakest link on our team and needed to go. Really Sharper is the one move that surprised me this offseason.

I didn't like the way we handled Sharper or AG but it is better than the alternative... overpaying for players that don't give you good quality for their pay. Just look at the Astros. They are paying a guy (Bagwell) 25% of their total salaries and he can hardly contribute.
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I would have liked to see AG and PB fight it out for the 2nd CB spot and get us 4 deep at the position. I expected us to start looking for replacements for Walker and Glenn soon, however. I knew Foreman was the weakest link on our team and needed to go. Really Sharper is the one move that surprised me this offseason.

I didn't like the way we handled Sharper or AG but it is better than the alternative... overpaying for players that don't give you good quality for their pay. Just look at the Astros. They are paying a guy (Bagwell) 25% of their total salaries and he can hardly contribute.
Right, but AG can still play. Comparing AG to Bagwell is not fair imo. Bagwell is finished. Period. True, AG may not be elite anymore, but if you toss a player everytime he moves from elite to just good, you're never going to get anywhere. It would be different if we were in cap hell, but we had the money to pay AG this year. They could have always cut him after June 1st if some stupendous signing was available. For the first time, I am really ticked, and haven't a clue where this franchise is going. Looks like straight to perputual medicocrity to me. As much as I like CC personally, he and the rest of the FO have made such a mess of this offseaon, I am ready to toss all of them to the wolves.
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I think AG's play went from great to average over the past 2 years. We are getting rid of the guys that "carried the load" through the expansion era. We had the 16th ranked defense in 2002. Who were our starters?

Deloach, Payne, Walker
Wong, Foreman, Sharper, Posey
Coleman, Glenn, Brown, Stephens

We upgraded Stephens, Deloach and Brown over the past 2 years, yet our defense's production fell to the bottom of the league. Injuries definitely played a part in that, but it hints that some of these guys aren't as good as they were in 2002. It is clear who they thought a some of the culprits were, Glenn, Sharper, and Foreman.
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Getting rid of the expansion players in general is fine, as we fill out, and upgrade our roster. But, AG was not expansion roster filler. You cannot compare AG, and most of the other expansion scrubs. My point is that we were told by CC himself, out of his own mouth, that the reason we gave up two first day picks was due to us trying to match up with the Colts and the other 3 WR sets of the world. That was the justification. And, to give us three solid corners, I felt the trade was worth it. Ask me now if the trade was worth it.
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I want to know why G. Walker was not a casualty with the DT that were available during FA. We could have gotten faster and younger evenmoreso. I dont have a problem with TJ and I expect him to take GWs spot by mid-season, but I want his sorry *** gone also. We could be just waiting till June 1 cuts, but I also dont know his contract situation, it is pretty obvious that defense will be a huge priority in next year's draft. Wong, Walker, and some other depth will likely be gone. Hopefully we can keep Peek and DD since they are RFAs next season.
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The Texans will be better this year. I can't wait to buy the NFL ticket again to catch all the games. Drafting Johnson left me scrathcing my head, but I didn't know about him. The more I hear it sounds like a good pick and we've has success in the 1st rnd. I'm worried we didn't upgrade the o-line, but they've all played together now and are hopefully working hard. The franchise has a new younger look, but are experienced and faster. Guys like Carr, AJ, Payne are going to be good leaders. It should be exciting.
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I think they planned on keeping Glenn for another season, but were sensitive enough to realize he might not want to stay and compete for his job. Ironically, that is what he will do in Dallas. I would have loved to have been 4 deep in the secondary.
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I heard Aaron on 610 this afternoon. The most uplifting thing I heard him say was that this move was mutually agreed upon. He said both parties felt that it would be in BOTH their best interests, to part ways in this manner, at this time.

He went on to say that there were no angry conversations or hard feelings on either side's part. It was an amicable parting of ways. He said he feels like Faggins can start in this league, he hopes Buchanon is a good fit, and he hopes the Texans have a successful season.

Goodbye Aaron, and thanks for all the excitement you provided!!!
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A guy like that doesn't come around too often, and in my mind was well worth the money to keep just for being a leader, regardless of his so called "lost a step" mockery. This is a very sad day.
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Yes, AG is a classy guy. But it was his decision to ask for his release. I wanted him to stay on for another year; obviously, he didn't want to stay. He thought it would be too crowded in CB rotation. ( He probably feared being cut and this way he can dictate the terms of his employment)
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Why do some of ya blast the FO for trying to improve the team ( Buchanon trade) ? Even , AG said the Texans were going to try to acquire one of the top 3 CBs in this year's draft. (per his conversation on 610 sports talk show) Wish him well....Cowgirls still sux!
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I don't think we should confuse the issue of the Buchanon trade with the issue of the Glenn release. In my view, the PB trade was a good move. Why/how Glenn was released was a different story, especially considering how the PB trade was explained to the public.

Regardless of whether Glenn SHOULD be gone, if it HAD to be done, I'm happy that they dealt with it quickly, for lots of reasons (cap management foremost). Much better than letting players hang for weeks.
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I don't think we should confuse the issue of the Buchanon trade with the issue of the Glenn release.
You should, we all should. do you think if they had kept all their picks and taken a quality CB in the 2nd or 3rd round for AG to groom he would be packing his bags less than a week afterwords? Aaron is one classy individual, but he is also a competitor & wants to be the starter for as long as he thinks he is capable.

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In my view, the PB trade was a good move. Why/how Glenn was released was a different story, especially considering how the PB trade was explained to the public.
It was shocking to me that Casserly aquired such an established malcontent from a character standpoint. I'm convinced the Texans fell in love with PB in 2002 but could not draft him for obvious reasons. I could'nt say just how much NFL players know their peers but its possible that Gleen was not pb's biggest fan.

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Regardless of whether Glenn SHOULD be gone, if it HAD to be done, I'm happy that they dealt with it quickly, for lots of reasons (cap management foremost). Much better than letting players hang for weeks.
agreed the quicker we get this sorry situation resolved the better
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Why do some of ya blast the FO for trying to improve the team ( Buchanon trade) ? Even , AG said the Texans were going to try to acquire one of the top 3 CBs in this year's draft. (per his conversation on 610 sports talk show) Wish him well....Cowgirls still sux!
Gee, maybe because Buchanon was a failure in Oakland, a quitter, and head case? And he replaces a guy with total class and dedication. And then some of you claim Buchanon is BETTER than Glenn. He may be a tad bit fast and younger, but that's 2 categories out of 20.
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Glenn and Buchanon both got dusted a lot last year. Glenn will have a better career than Buchanon, but Buchanon will be at least as good as Glenn going forward. I'm disappointed that Glenn left here to be a backup elsewhere. If he would have gone somewhere that he could start, I could have understood. I guess it is easier to go into a situation as the nickel back then to be demoted on your current team.

I wish him well. He was the face of our defense for the first 3 years.
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Thanks for your dedication to the Texans, Aaron. You will be missed, good luck in Dallas.

Maybe, just maybe....PBuch will do a turnaround when he hits the southern hospitality here (and stricter, more structured coaches). Maybe he just needs to be broke to lead, per se. I will give the young man a chance to prove himself here, why can't anyone else? A little compassion and respect can go along way. Hopefully he will keep his yap shut until he has something meaningful to say (no smack in the media, last thing he needs to do at this time). Work hard and prove yourself on the field, PBuch!

I am gradually warming up to what has taken place on our team roster. Still a little shell shocked though.
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Glenn will have a better career than Buchanon
That's a pretty bold statement considering he already has eleven years in.

Seriously, I see what you're saying though. I just have to hope Buchanon was a jackass because the Raiders are a team of jackasses.
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Speaking of character issues, somebody came into my shop that knew an acquaintance of a currentTexans DL. He said that maybe one of the reasons (with the salary cap being the main one) that Sharper was let go was that is was said to be a malcontent in the locker room. When you have a negative attitude in your locker room, it only spreads that cancer throughout the roster. With Sharper's comments towards the end of year about the team needing "leadership", which he, as a veteran member of the defense should have provided, this might have a secondary factor in #55 being let go.
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Porky, I know this has been stated many places and many times. The Glenn release was more about him wanting out than the organization wanting out. He's said it. The team has said it. He has pride and believes he can still start. He could very well have started here, but the smart move is getting Buchanon in the starting rotation. He's the CB for the future.

Who on this site honestly felt this was a Super Bowl caliber team with the same defense as last season? The team has improved each year and there is no reason to think they can't do so again. They've actually won a couple of games when they were losing (Tennessee, KC). They won by good margins in a couple of games (Jax, Oak). They held strong against playoff teams (Minn, GB). This team was designed to be a strong playoff performer in 2006. I would rather see a nucleus of young talented players that the team has drafted and developed become a force than to sign a bunch of aging vets and keep guys around too long to try and win early. Look at Carolina. After their remarkable second season they went to the bottom of the league.

I just hope fans don't start treating the Texans like they do the Astros and Rockets. Go to the games, support the players that are on the field.
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