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Old 10-28-2011   #1
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Porn name: Luke Warm. Can you remember an above-average QB provoking less opinion over a longer period of time? If I effusively praised Schaub, you'd think this was bizarre. If I attacked him, you'd also think this was bizarre. If I told you, "Did you know Matt Schaub has started 61 games and only won three in a row three times?" (true by the way), you wouldn't be shocked. Houston flipped two second-rounders for him five years ago, got a solid QB out of it … and you never hear that trade mentioned as a steal, a bust, anything. When he goes in fantasy drafts or auctions, nobody ever says anything; you just kinda nod and move on. I could see him finishing his career two games over .500 with no playoff wins, and then Houston retiring his number and not being able to fully form an opinion about it.
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It's probably true that Schaub will never be elite, but it's not his fault that our TEAM has never won three in a row. Obiously, our TEAM couldn't do it last year because of our secondary. He will not stop us from winning Superbowls, but he won't carry us to and through them (like some rare QBs) either. He also won't be easily replaced...
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It's probably true that Schaub will never be elite, but it's not his fault that our TEAM has never won three in a row. Obiously, our TEAM couldn't do it last year because of our secondary. He will not stop us from winning Superbowls, but he won't carry us to and through them (like some rare QBs) either. He also won't be easily replaced...
i agree with this. I dont agree with the whole statment above but mainly the first part of it. I do believe we will win a superbowl with him however.
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i agree with this. I dont agree with the whole statment above but mainly the first part of it. I do believe we will win a superbowl with him however.
I don't agree that you agree.
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To the trade that brought Schaub to Houston - Two #2's for what I consider to be a "Solid starting NFL QB" Not bad , not great. He's has a coach and system that works within his limitations.

It was neither a steal nor a bust. I dont think the Texans overpaid nor did they get less than they paid for.
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To the trade that brought Schaub to Houston - Two #2's for what I consider to be a "Solid starting NFL QB" Not bad , not great. He's has a coach and system that works within his limitations.

It was neither a steal nor a bust. I dont think the Texans overpaid nor did they get less than they paid for.
May I refer you to the Carson Palmer trade.

Schaub was a Massive Bargain.
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May I refer you to the Carson Palmer trade.

Schaub was a Massive Bargain.
The Raiders will give up a 1 and a conditional pick either a 1 or a 2 pending they win a playoff game.
I think Palmer was a better QB than Schaub is today earlier in his career .... I dont know what he is today but I think the Raiders gave up more than they had to and probably more than the guy is worth.

They have no one to check their coaches decisions .... I think they overpaid.
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I think they overpaid.
Ya think? I could literally count the number of guys worth 2 first round picks with one hand, and that's being generous.
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2 #2's is actually a pretty good trade for a guy who's really solid. I still get the impression that apart from #80, everybody on our offense is a product of the system to some extent or another.

The likes of Foster and OD have great talent and are perfect fits for that system, but the point stands with them to an extent.

I see a time not too far in the future when we're going to be looking around to upgrade the QB position on this team, probably with a high draft pick prospect to sit and develop but Schaub is OK for now.
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2 #2's is actually a pretty good trade for a guy who's really solid. I still get the impression that apart from #80, everybody on our offense is a product of the system to some extent or another.

The likes of Foster and OD have great talent and are perfect fits for that system, but the point stands with them to an extent.

I see a time not too far in the future when we're going to be looking around to upgrade the QB position on this team, probably with a high draft pick prospect to sit and develop but Schaub is OK for now.

Yep, and we are going to have to get pretty lucky to get a QB better than Schaub on our first try.
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May I refer you to the Carson Palmer trade.

Schaub was a Massive Bargain.
Oakland ALWAYS gets robbed, I wish Smith could do that some day. I always blamed Al, I don't know who brokered the Palmer trade.
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It's probably true that Schaub will never be elite, but it's not his fault that our TEAM has never won three in a row. Obiously, our TEAM couldn't do it last year because of our secondary. He will not stop us from winning Superbowls, but he won't carry us to and through them (like some rare QBs) either. He also won't be easily replaced...

Good thing we don't need Matt to carry us to & through a Super Bowl.

This team reminds me of the Cowboys of the early '90s more than any team has since the early '90s.

I'm an Aikman fan, but I always new he had limitations. You put him on another team & we don't know how "great" Aikman was or wasn't. We've got a great offensive system & we've got some great talent that fits this system perfectly; OD, Dressen, Myers, Brown, Wade, Winston, Walter..... then we've got the talent to drive it over the top; Andre, Foster, Casey, Tate.

Then we've got a pretty good defense.

Without Smith, Irvin, Novacheck, Moose, & Stepnowski; without that defense, Aikman wouldn't have taken that team anywhere (I believe it was the addition of Emmit that really changed the course of that team).

It was more about the sum of their parts on those Cowboy team, & I think that's what we've got going on in Houston.
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I see a time not too far in the future when we're going to be looking around to upgrade the QB position on this team, probably with a high draft pick prospect to sit and develop but Schaub is OK for now.
I agree. I believe our top priorities should be WR, DT, QB,CB

But knowing us we will think Yates is the future.
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Good thing we don't need Matt to carry us to & through a Super Bowl.

This team reminds me of the Cowboys of the early '90s more than any team has since the early '90s.

I'm an Aikman fan, but I always new he had limitations. You put him on another team & we don't know how "great" Aikman was or wasn't. We've got a great offensive system & we've got some great talent that fits this system perfectly; OD, Dressen, Myers, Brown, Wade, Winston, Walter..... then we've got the talent to drive it over the top; Andre, Foster, Casey, Tate.

Then we've got a pretty good defense.

Without Smith, Irvin, Novacheck, Moose, & Stepnowski; without that defense, Aikman wouldn't have taken that team anywhere (I believe it was the addition of Emmit that really changed the course of that team).

It was more about the sum of their parts on those Cowboy team, & I think that's what we've got going on in Houston.
This is the statement I agree with most.

Schaub isn't the type of qb that you put on a team and know they are going to the play offs as long as he's healthy.

But he does have valuable skills that can be utilized.
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I don't think we will truly know what Schaub can or can't do in the playoffs until he actually gets there. The Texas need to find out, because 2012 is the last season on his contract. Schaub has not been the major hinderment in reaching the playoffs. We will see if he becomes the largest impediment in becoming a championship team.
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Good thing we don't need Matt to carry us to & through a Super Bowl.

This team reminds me of the Cowboys of the early '90s more than any team has since the early '90s.

I'm an Aikman fan, but I always new he had limitations. You put him on another team & we don't know how "great" Aikman was or wasn't. We've got a great offensive system & we've got some great talent that fits this system perfectly; OD, Dressen, Myers, Brown, Wade, Winston, Walter..... then we've got the talent to drive it over the top; Andre, Foster, Casey, Tate.

Then we've got a pretty good defense.

Without Smith, Irvin, Novacheck, Moose, & Stepnowski; without that defense, Aikman wouldn't have taken that team anywhere (I believe it was the addition of Emmit that really changed the course of that team).

It was more about the sum of their parts on those Cowboy team, & I think that's what we've got going on in Houston.
I don't think we quite measure up talent wise for each position, but you're close...but the 1 thing that stands out clearly is HC Jimmy Johnson, DC Dave Wannstedt, OC Norv Turner plus Assts Butch Davis and Dave Campo...their staff worked amazing together during that span. This is no knock on our staff nor a bash Kubiak statesmen. Anywho Schaub is more than serviceable to win with even with mistakes (everyone makes them). Plus we all know he is not the playmaker that Brees, Rodgers, Brady, Helmuthead or Big Ben. But he is ours and I will support that even if I get pissed and his play at times, I think most of us feel that way.
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You set expectations pretty high with this thread title, but I guess it's just accurate enough.

I wonder what kind of QB Schaub would be under a coach that took more risk and improvisation with the play calling. Maybe better, maybe worse. I definitely wondered what he'd look like on another team after the Raiders game.
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Good thing we don't need Matt to carry us to & through a Super Bowl.

This team reminds me of the Cowboys of the early '90s more than any team has since the early '90s.

I'm an Aikman fan, but I always new he had limitations. ...
Clearly didn't watch the Cowboys closely back then.

The cast which got Aikman to the playoffs, relied on him in the playoffs.
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