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Old 04-26-2005   #141
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i figured by getting buchannon that we were finally going after INDY. now we are getting rid of glenn. some one plz help me makes sense of this. im about this
I agree with the move in terms of moving forward but the above statement is my exact feeling.
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AP reports the Houston Texans, as expected, have released CB Aaron Glenn.
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I'd say the Texans get at least 2 picks for Glenn & Sharper. The formula is based on production, experience & post season awards (Pro-Bowl). I feel that Sharper & Glenn meet these requirements, especially Glenn with the exp & Pro-Bowl. Sharper more so for the production and exp. Glenn might be one of the 3rd/4th rd Comp picks, with Sharper being a 4th/5th rd Comp pick.

So, who will be next?? Hopefully not any of the DL (Walker, Payne, DeLoach)!
You do not get compensatory picks for players you release, only players who leave through free agency. Sharper, Foreman, Brown and Glenn will not bring us any compensatory picks.
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Glenn's Leadership will be missed around here... Question now becomes who becomes the leader???


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Before we go to bashing A. Glenn lets take a look at this form a little different angle. If your boss came up to you and said we hired this new guy to do your job. He didn't out perform you. (Oakland had NINE INT's last year.) So we want you to take a pay cut. How would you react? Would look for another job? Lets look where the REAL problem is. The Texans finished dead last in sacks last year. Only 24 times did we put the other teams QB on his backside.

The analogy is flawed... suppose your boss told you that he was bringing in a guy who had alot more potential than you; was young enough to do it for many, many more years than you; and that he cost literally a fraction of what you cost to do it?

Like Jay Mohr says in Jerry McGuire... "It aint show friends, it's show business"



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Glenn's Leadership will be missed around here... Question now becomes who becomes the leader???
That's easy- Dunta Robinson.
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Hopefully some of the doomsday prophets will give up their season tickets so I can get more.
You are absolutely brilliant!!! I am going to start a major negativity campaign encouraging fans to sell their season tickets so I can snap them up... If I generate some extras, I'll send 'em your way!
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This whole thing has been botched to the highest degree. I don't care what kind of spin the Texans or the fans put on this. Basically, what we did was trade PB for three players. While admitting that the draft is a bit of a crapshoot, let's take a look at how the draft could have gone for us. In round two, Khaliff Barnes was available. He was a steal in rd 2. We could have put him at LT, and solved that problem for the next decade, after at most, a one yr grooming process. Wand becomes quality depth at LT and RT. In round three, Kevin Everett was available. A young pass catching TE with good upside, who at worst would provide quality depth, and insurance against Joppru's issues. Or, we could have gone with a young corner to groom behind Glenn. Instead, we lose Glenn, Everett, and Barnes, (or thier equivelent) and replaced him with PB, a young speedy corner with a penhent for gambling and losing. While this trade clearly does upgrade our return game, can anyone HONESTLY say that somehow this is a better football team with PB vs. those three?

The level of ineptitude with this deal has been alarming. Capers tells us that he talked to Glenn BEFORE the trade, and that Glenn had a positive attitude about it, and was ready to compete. So, who is the liar here. Did Glenn lie to the Texans? Did the Texans lie to Glenn or us? Someone is not telling the truth here. Secondly, we were told that they paid a somewhat steep price to get PB because this allowed the Texans to match up with the three WR sets employed by the Colts and others with three excellent corners. How are we appreciably better off now then before the trade in regards to that. While PB has more speed at this stage of their careers, AG is also a wily vet, who has the experience and know how that PB does not have yet. Also, one reason many of us didn't mind bringing in a malcontent like PB was because he would have someone the calibur of AG to mentor and tutor him. Additionally, Dunta himself mentioned how having AG there was a huge help to his game. AG was like a coach on the field as well. Does PB bring these same qualities to the Texans? I don't think so. Last point is that even if AG requested his release does not mean we have to grant it the next day. Do the inmates run the aslyum here. AG had 4 million reasons to return. We could have simply told him to butch up, and complete on the field like a man. I seriousely doubt that he would have been a major problem once he was on the field, but if it ever got to the point that it was a major distraction, the Texans could have tried to make a trade at that point, or even released him in camp. Why now? Why the speed of this transaction? There is more here than meets the eye.

All in all, this offseason has been a total disaster. We have lost as much, and maybe more, than we have gained. We have helped our return game immensely, and the defense has gained foot speed, but lost depth and leadership. I don't see the 5 yr plan. If this is thier plan, then their plan stinks. If I were Mcnair, this deal would send me over the edge.
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HoustonTexans.com reports the Houston Texans have released CB Aaron Glenn.
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I thought the whole PB trade was to bring in another quality corner who will take over A.G.'s spot eventually. As you all know we need 3 quality corners in our division because the Colts have 3 receivers who went over the 1000 yd mark this past season. With A.G. gone DeMarcus Faggins becomes our nickel corner and although he's a good player I would've been more comfortable with PB in that position. I agree with the points Porky made and I think I'd rather have a Khaliff Barnes, Everett, or their equivalent. PB might turn out to be a good player for us but he might not and that possibility has to be taken under consideration. What if PB turns out to be bust??? A.G. might not be the player he once was but he's still a good player and a good veteran leader for this team. I just don't know what to make of this move. Just because a player asks to be released doesn't mean you grant him whatever he wishes for. Then again I don't know who to believe..Capers and Casserly never give straight answers but I think this is a issue where most fans would like to know what happened. Becuase I think today our team took a step backwards by releasing Aaron Glenn.
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Porky,

A few things to consider;

These moves are the only way that the Texans could COMPLETEY clean AG, Sharper and Foremen's contract $ from the cap space. Next year there will be alot more cap space because of these unpopular moves.

With AG and Sharper clearly on the downside of their careers, we would not have been able to find any teams willing to trade for them and assume their HUGE salaries. Huge in comparison to their contribution to the team.

I believe that in any trade scenario, we would end up eating some of the contract of each player if we could, in fact, find someone willing to trade for them. This may or may not be an issue, because the signing bonuses for each player that we released have accelerated onto this years cap (this is good in a way, since we have the room this year, and it won't count against next year).

So, while I will admit, it hurts to see these guys go, and we may have taken a little step back for this season, these moves set us up really, really well for the next few years. Basically, we will have a D that is about as good as last year with a chance that it will be better. BUT we will have alot of wiggle room cap wise to work with in 2006, so the future upside is way, way better IMHO.
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A few things to consider;

These moves are the only way that the Texans could COMPLETEY clean AG, Sharper and Foremen's contract $ from the cap space. Next year there will be alot more cap space because of these unpopular moves.

With AG and Sharper clearly on the downside of their careers, we would not have been able to find any teams willing to trade for them and assume their HUGE salaries. Huge in comparison to their contribution to the team.

I believe that in any trade scenario, we would end up eating some of the contract of each player if we could, in fact, find someone willing to trade for them. This may or may not be an issue, because the signing bonuses for each player that we released have accelerated onto this years cap (this is good in a way, since we have the room this year, and it won't count against next year).

So, while I will admit, it hurts to see these guys go, and we may have taken a little step back for this season, these moves set us up really, really well for the next few years. Basically, we will have a D that is about as good as last year with a chance that it will be better. BUT we will have alot of wiggle room cap wise to work with in 2006, so the future upside is way, way better IMHO.

And you don't think others will come up for bigger contracts just as soon as all of this cap space "puts us over the top". The Texans willingly signed these contracts. It's a two way street. Drob, AJ, and others will be in line for huge raises. What then? Do we release Andre Johnson down the road because he runs a 4.45 instead of a 4.4 because he is making too much money? You cannot convince me this was a good move, either in the short, or the long term. Mr. Mcnair said himself that he felt like we should compete for a playoff spot this year. Basically, are they now trying to say to forget all that, and that they are in a rebuilding mode? Did I miss the building portion? The trade of PB was debatable, but wholly defensible. I cannot say the same of the AG release.
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All teams come up against the salary cap, there's no way around that. The Texans choose to deal with it before it becomes a huge issue like it did for the Titans. And, yes, even AJ or DRob may one day have to restructure or be traded/released for cap reasons. Its just the nature of the business.
Yes, it sucks, but if there were no cap, teams payrolls would be sky high, ticket prices would be even higher, and teams that are in small cities would not be able to afford to keep up with the larger market teams, ala the NY Yankees...
It will hurt for a little while, but next year when our new players like Greenwood and PB have experience with our system, we have a good draft with extra picks that we gained this year, AND we have cap space to bring in a few key free agents, you will see that these moves are really very, very smart.
I won't debate you on the draft, because I was hoping it would go differently myself, but I will wait and see how our new draftees turn out...


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on the question of being in rebuilding mode... I think the D has a chance to be just as good, maybe better. There will be MUCH more team speed allowing us to impliment some of the blitz packages that Capers D is known for. We have not been able to use the full defensive playbook up to now, but we should be able to set the D loose with the improved team speed. You can't deny that the defensive speed is much better...

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All teams come up against the salary cap, there's no way around that. The Texans choose to deal with it before it becomes a huge issue like it did for the Titans. And, yes, even AJ or DRob may one day have to restructure or be traded/released for cap reasons. Its just the nature of the business.
Yes, it sucks, but if there were no cap, teams payrolls would be sky high, ticket prices would be even higher, and teams that are in small cities would nat be able to afford to keep up with the larger market teams, ala the NY Yankees...
It will hurt for a little while, but next year when our new players like Greenwood and PB have experience with our system, we have a good draft with extra picks that we gained this year, AND we have cap space to bring in a few key free agents, you will see that these moves are really very, very smart.
I won't debate you on the draft, because I was hoping it would go differently myself, but I will wait and see how our new draftees turn out...


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on the question of being in rebuilding mode... I think the D has a chance to be just as good, maybe better. There will be MUCH more team speed allowing us to impliment some of the blitz packages that Capers D is known for. We have been able to use the full defensive playbook up to now, but we should be able to set the D loose with the improved team speed. You can't deny that the defensive speed is much better...

The problem with your thesis is that the Texans are not in any way, shape, or form, in cap trouble. Release folks to avoid a problem that may or may not manifest itself in a year or two is a very strange way to conduct buiness. According to an interview with AG that is on the radio, he is the one who wanted out. The Texans should have known that before they pulled the trigger on the trade, because if I was GM, that would put the kabosh on this trade. And if they didn't know that was going to happen, and found out about it now, then I would have told AG too bad. He signed a contract. If the Texans have to live up to their end, why shouldn't AG? This was totally screwed up, and all the homerism in the world, cannot fix it.
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The problem with your thesis is that the Texans are not in any way, shape, or form, in cap trouble. Release folks to avoid a problem that may or may not manifest itself in a year or two is a very strange way to conduct buiness. According to an interview with AG that is on the radio, he is the one who wanted out. The Texans should have known that before they pulled the trigger on the trade, because if I was GM, that would put the kabosh on this trade. And if they didn't know that was going to happen, and found out about it now, then I would have told AG too bad. He signed a contract. If the Texans have to live up to their end, why shouldn't AG? This was totally screwed up, and all the homerism in the world, cannot fix it.
Glenn was praising the Texans for allowing him to find a team after the Buchanon deal. He was very appreciative of our front office and I think he was afraid of being cut later in camp due to his high salary. You guys want to start rumor and form opinions based on your imaginations...its all hysterical and all that but its not reality based.
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Porky,

You are getting way too melodramatic. When the PB trade went down, you can't honestly tell me you didn't see AG as a salary cap casualty. That is all that happened to Aaron Glenn. He became a salary cap casualty, nothing more nothing less. No GM in his right mind is going to pay $4 million in 2005, $4.25 million in 2006, and $5.5 million in 2007 to an aging player on the downside of his career, to be a backup or nickle back, when the eventual starting CB is only making $700,000 this year, and 800,000 the next. It's the same thing that happened Jamie Sharper. When they both were asked to restructure their contracts, and declined to do so . . they both knew what was coming.
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AG was just on 610, and he said that the decision was mutual but only after he asked to be released, he said the Texans told him they were going to target a CB in the first round but when they werent willing to trade alot to move up in the draft they started looking at FA and then they got the Buchanon deal. He said that because there were four cb's he reaslised that someone was going to be making alot of money and sitting on the bench, and it might bring about bad blood, he said he wouldnt have minded a reduced role he just diddnt want to sit on the bench all season because the Texans dont use alot of four CB packages. He said the Texans were great about letting him choose the team he would go to. He is leaving for Dallas now and ther deal isnt done but he said it will probably be done by the time he gets there.

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This was totally screwed up, and all the homerism in the world, cannot fix it.
Calling my assessment homerism is just a silly blanket statement to express your displeasure over the situation. What I am explaining has absolutely nothing to do with homerism. More like your point of veiw is biased by your homerism toward the players, and theres nothing wrong with that.
The Texans are not in cap trouble, and WILL NOT BE because of tough choices like these. The key point is that these releases had to be done this year to get the contracts off of next years salary cap. You see, the signing bonuses that these players get when they sign is spread out over the length of the contract, BUT by releasing them now, the whole bonus goes against this years cap and will not count against next years numbers.
Just so you know, David Carr is in the option yearof his contract, and before next year the team will have to execise that option or he will be a free agent. These moves free up cap space for moves like that, and also for the raises that you mentioned regarding AJ and DRob. Where do you think the $ will come from? Would you rather pay Sharper and Glen more that the level of their play is worth, or free up the money for next year and beyond to keep the really good young players that are going top be the core of our team.
Actually, that is the simplest way to look at it... make these moves now, so we won't have to make them later with the guys that I'd rather be able to keep like DC, AJ, and DRob...
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