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Old 04-27-2005   #221
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Buchanon better then AG.

I don't know what most of you have been fed, but Glenn still finished with 5 int's last year. Have any of you actually watched Buchanon? This is getty silly. No way Glenn would have been the 4th best CB on the roster. It's becoming customary around here to homer the new guys and dis the ones that are gone.

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Buchanon better then AG.

I don't know what most of you have been fed, but Glenn still finished with 5 int's last year. Have any of you actually watched Buchanon? This is getty silly. No way Glenn would have been the 4th best QB on the roster. It's becoming customary around here to homer the new guys and dis the ones that are gone.
While I believe that the recent release of veteran players will be benificial to the team in 2006, and possibly this season if things go just right, I agree with this statement.
I think that it makes it easier for people to accept that a well loved player is gone if they can justify it to themselves by minimizing the value that said player actually had to the team.
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It is becoming rather laughable. I brought up the same point with Sharper. When he was a Texan, some of our esteemed board members couldn't believe how he was left off the pro-bowl roster, but as soon as he was cut, some of the same people were trying to convince us it was no big deal because Sharper was washed up, and not that great in the first place. Which is it folks? Overlooked PRo-Bowler, or washed up aging vet who wasn't any good in the first place?
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Porky, I couldn't agree with you more (on everything said in this thread)!



The key shocking factor was all the hoopla when PB came to HOU. The lies/deception from the MGMT is what is leaving a bad feeling/taste in all of our stomachs/mouths. It was as if they spun it in such a way that we were all cool with the trade....."WOW, Glenn, PB & DR on the field together....bring it on COLTS!". But then the draft was a joke (save for Mathis & Morency). Then we hear about AG getting dumped......the tailspin continued!

And we are not the only one's that are looking at the $$$, imagine if the product on the field takes a drastic downturn, I wonder if the sellout crowds will still be there? The fans know more than the owners/GM/Coaches that Football (NFL) is more about the $$$ and less about the football! I doubt Bengals/Saints/Cardinals fans were willing to pay $250 per game per family to see 3-13. 4-12, 5-11 teams every year! Hey Cowboy fans, did you like those 3 consecutive 5-11 seasons? Jerry needed to bring a "Parcells" type in to get those fans excited again! Otherwise, the fans would have wised up to the scam, and stopped wasting time & $$$ on the poor product.

So in the end, the Texans better come through with a Playoff bid, otherwise, anything less will cause dissention among the fans. 7-9, 8-8 or 9-7 without a playoff is not good enough. But I am sure the Texans will set us all up to expect a down year....because of losing all the experience on D....blah blah blah! This is not an Expansion team anymore, so that "give it some time while we build the team" junk is old news! The time is now!
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At the time, I thought he was an overlooked Pro Bowler back after 2003. He led the league in tackles. Later I found out he didn't win partially from playing on a losing team, but mainly because he didn't have enough "big plays" (sacks, forced fumbles, INT's, tackles for loss). His play definitely slipped from 2003 to 2004, how much is debateable. I don't think he was one of the major issues with the LB's, but the brass seems to see it differently.
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The key shocking factor was all the hoopla when PB came to HOU. The lies/deception from the MGMT is what is leaving a bad feeling/taste in all of our stomachs/mouths. It was as if they spun it in such a way that we were all cool with the trade....."WOW, Glenn, PB & DR on the field together....bring it on COLTS!". But then the draft was a joke (save for Mathis & Morency). Then we hear about AG getting dumped......the tailspin continued!
Glen was informed prior to the draft that the team was looking into drafting one of the top three CBs and he said he was OK with it. Management evaluated the draft and decided that it would cost too much to move up high enough in the first round to get one of them. They decided that it would be benificial to trade the 2nd round pick, and a 3rd for PB instead of a 1st and 2nd (and/or 3rd) for a rookie who is an unknown commodity in the NFL.
We could debate the wisdom of that descision, but that's not my point.
The point is that Glen decided that he wasn't comfortable with the situation
after PB came to the team, and so he asked for a trade. Initially, the team wanted to have all of the DBs, but when Glen said he thought it wasn't in the best interest of the team, himself, or the other DBs, the team listened and allowed him to seek a trade.
I don't believe that there was any attempt at deception, but maybe the managent made a mistake assuming that AG would be OK with them bringing in Buchanan because he'd previously said that he was OK with them drafting a rookie.
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Buchanon better then AG.

I don't know what most of you have been fed, but Glenn still finished with 5 int's last year. Have any of you actually watched Buchanon? This is getty silly. No way Glenn would have been the 4th best CB on the roster. It's becoming customary around here to homer the new guys and dis the ones that are gone.
I hate people trashing whatever player leaves the team. I am dissappointed the Texans were such nice guys to Aaron. Personally, I think they should have said sorry Aaron we have you under contract (for more than your current market value by the way) and we really think having you around as starter or nickle will make this team stronger--we will talk to you about a release after this season when we are sure of how Buchanon is going to do.

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The key shocking factor was all the hoopla when PB came to HOU. The lies/deception from the MGMT is what is leaving a bad feeling/taste in all of our stomachs/mouths. It was as if they spun it in such a way that we were all cool with the trade....."WOW, Glenn, PB & DR on the field together....bring it on COLTS!".
The only reason you feel lied to is because you refuse to accept the facts--Glenn asked to be released, the Texans did not dump him.

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It is becoming rather laughable. I brought up the same point with Sharper. When he was a Texan, some of our esteemed board members couldn't believe how he was left off the pro-bowl roster, but as soon as he was cut, some of the same people were trying to convince us it was no big deal because Sharper was washed up, and not that great in the first place. Which is it folks? Overlooked PRo-Bowler, or washed up aging vet who wasn't any good in the first place?
I agree about not trashing people just because they leave, but the supposed hypocrisy of your example just doesn't fly. I thought Sharper had a fantastic 2003 and personally still think he should have at least been an alternate for the pro-bowl. Nonetheless, during last season, far before any rumor of his release it was my opinion his 2004 season had definitely slacked off from the 2003 level. Doesn't mean he wasn't still a good LB, but he wasn't as good and there is no hypocrisy in it. I am on the flip side of the Glenn issue--folks around here IMO were all Dunta is god and in order to prove their point had to point to Glenn as having slipped. I still don't believe he slipped that much last season and any decrease in performance was reflected league wide by CB's being hampered by refs. As a specific example, on at least three occasions last year TD's were "caught" on Glenn after blatant offensive pass interference where the WR pushed off Glenn to gain separation.
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I hate people trashing whatever player leaves the team. I am dissappointed the Texans were such nice guys to Aaron. Personally, I think they should have said sorry Aaron we have you under contract (for more than your current market value by the way) and we really think having you around as starter or nickle will make this team stronger--we will talk to you about a release after this season when we are sure of how Buchanon is going to do.
I was one of the FEW who wasn't dogging Glenn's game last year. Most of this board was all over him calling for his head. That said, this release probably has more to do with the development of Faggins than anything. Apparently the Texans feel that a younger Faggins in the prime of his NFL career is a better choice than Glenn at 33. I can live with that, and yes, I still think Glenn has game left as well.
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This has nothing to do with the Texans thinking Faggins is a better then Glenn. This is a pure money thing. Glenn is not 1.1 million dollars better Faggins. With the moves the Texans are making they are conseeding that the team will not make the Playoffs this year or next and therefore they are scrapping their current plan a setting a new plan for three years down the road. They are replacing all the vets with young kids that can use time to develop. Heres to two more years of losing.
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The negativity from our fan base is amazing. Almost funny if it wasn't so sad.
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The only reason you feel lied to is because you refuse to accept the facts--Glenn asked to be released, the Texans did not dump him.
That's a simplitic account of the whole story. He was bascially forced out at that point. Telling Glenn that they might draft a rookie and bringing in starter from another team is like night and day. Glenn welcomed the drafting of a rookie this year just like he did last year, feeling that he would be the man again to nurture and bring along another rookie. That's a lot different then bringing in a younger starter from another team and told to "compete" for his job. Glenn said he had already talked to Dallas before asking his release, so he basically was making sure he had a shot somewhere else before asking.

But really, all of this smoke screen and deceptive intentions will only allow us to speculate.
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With the moves the Texans are making they are conseeding that the team will not make the Playoffs this year or next and therefore they are scrapping their current plan a setting a new plan for three years down the road. They are replacing all the vets with young kids that can use time to develop. Heres to two more years of losing.
Guaranteed Capers/Palmer/Fangio are not making these moves with the anticipation the team will be worse off. Capers & Palmer have both seen the short time lines given NFL coaches to succeed. They may be wrong, but it is just silly IMO to think they are not looking to improve this year.
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The negativity from our fan base is amazing. Almost funny if it wasn't so sad.
And it's almost laughable with all the homerism being eaten up like a bunch of crack addicts waiting for the next feeding. It's ok, you'll come down from your high's and face reality.
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That's a simplitic account of the whole story.
Not according to Aaron. No one involved has said anything resembling the Texans went to Aaron to tell him he was going to be released. Everyone is in agreement Aaron approached the team. Barring an unknown (and frankly completely unrealistic IMO--Aaron hasn't even hinted at it and has basically only made statements about Faggins' playing time) meeting where Capers told Glenn he had no chance to start next year, I just can't see how Glenn was being forced out.
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And it's almost laughable with all the homerism being eaten up like a bunch of crack addicts waiting for the next feeding. It's ok, you'll come down from your high's and face reality.
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Heres to two more years of losing.
...and more quotes like this is just sad and pathetic. I'm not much of a homer but I guess you can't see that. I don't touch crack either Shawn. The dramatic gloom and doom you guys are spreading strikes me as amusing/sad.
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ok Vincent, let's make a friendly wager then. I say we end up with a worse record than last year. Given that we've made all the "improvements" to our team, then we should be better, and records indicate that. What do we put up for this?
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Done88, exactly! By the way, ready for TFFL 2005?

infantrycak, I guess it can be summed up as the "Chicken or the Egg". Did Glenn ask to be traded because of the PB trade, or did the Texans decide to let him seek a trade after the PB trade. Considering the outright deception this org has recently shown the fans, I'd venture to guess that no one on this MB knows what really went down....only what the org is spinning off as the "truth".

Also, I have never thought Aaron Glenn to be the type that, when faced with competition, will just back down and ask for a trade! I've gotten the impression that he is more of the "my game is strong, bring it on!".

--- for example, when UH signed Kevin Kolb a few years back, Barrick Nealy decided to transfer to SWT (Texas State). I guess he did not want to have to compete for the QB job at UH considering the comp would be tough.

This whole "it is a better situation for me" junk is ridiculous. Be a man, just say it, the new guy is better, and I feel I will lose my job. That is something I doubt Glenn would ever think, feel, or say...simply because that is not his persona!
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I can't sign on to Done 88's negativity, because I do think they intend to compete, but otoh, I think it's fair to give your opinion when things like this happen. Do we have to back each and every move that is made? I have thought about it overnight, and I really haven't changed my thinking, which tells me my first impulse was correct. Losing a player of AG's calibur with zero compensation is a bad deal. Basically, we get PB in exchange for AG, and second and a third. Is there really a way to spin that positively, because that is one of the most lopsided trades I have ever heard of. We could have easily told him to stay on board a year to see how PB would fit in. This is not invasion of the body snatchers. We don't all have to think alike. This board would be awfully boring if every move the Texans ever made was rubber stamped by every one of us. Are we not allowed to have a negative opinion?
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Not according to Aaron. No one involved has said anything resembling the Texans went to Aaron to tell him he was going to be released. Everyone is in agreement Aaron approached the team. Barring an unknown (and frankly completely unrealistic IMO--Aaron hasn't even hinted at it and has basically only made statements about Faggins' playing time) meeting where Capers told Glenn he had no chance to start next year, I just can't see how Glenn was being forced out.
Come Infantry you can't really think that PB comes over after being disgruntled with his former team just to be a nickel do you? The writing was on the wall. He goes to a team that will let him battle for a spot.
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ok Vincent, let's make a friendly wager then. I say we end up with a worse record than last year. Given that we've made all the "improvements" to our team, then we should be better, and records indicate that. What do we put up for this?
I donno, I think we will have a 8-8 or 9-7 season and posted that here weeks ago. I'm just not real judgemental by nature and I have stayed away from bashing Glenn or the Texans. If I am bashing something I tend to bash play on the field more than just hammer the team for things like trying to upgrade the roster in a cap-centered NFL. That's why I haven't been very active in these threads. This is going to be a long off-season from here on out around here I think.
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