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Old 04-26-2005   #181
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I guess that's why the Patriots brought in the 30-year old Harrison and extented the also 30 year old Dillons contract.
Eagles signed 31 year old Owens as well. I could go on.

Nah, that doesn't fly fellas, try again.

What do those teams have in common that we absolutely do NOT have in common. They are/were basically 'one player away' from the Super Bowl...

Plus, these moves are more about speed and playmaking than experience FWIW. We needed some more speed IMO.
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SO I'm guessing PB gets 31? Well at least we have some to replace him and he was good while he was here. But he'll look bad in Silver and white.
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I would rather have them let the players that don't want to be here go than have them just wait for them to hold a grudge and be a cancer in the club house. I'm not saying that Glenn was that kind of a player, but he did ask to be released. It's better to do it now than wait for them to get hurt and then release them. That would send a bad massege to other players. I think it will work just fine for both the way it just happend with Glenn.
So, every time a player is unhappy with PT, or money, the coach, or whatever, we just release them? What kind of lunacy is that? I guess Philly should go ahead and release TO then. Using your theory, P Buch would have been released, not traded. Moss would have been released too probably instead of traded. If we have truly disgruntled players or lockeroom cancers, the best way to deal with it is to trade them, or make their lives a living hell and make an example out of them to the other players. Releasing every disgruntled player in this league would lead to total chaos. They are the players, not the owner. They can quit if they want. It's a free country. But, they won't get paid either.
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AG was a Pro Bowl starter in his 3rd yr; where's PB's pro bowl? Let's face it, if Oakland was wanting to get rid of him, OAKLAND, how good can he be? They always pick up the malcontents and they wanted him gone.

We know it wasn't for salary cap reasons.
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SO, the team benefits this season by a net 500,00? His scheduled $4 mil versus the $3.5 mil in dead space?

yes but next year we benefit 4.25 mil and the year after that 5.whatever mil. we are getting younger and saving cap room. these younger guys are good players.

it seems they are trying to build a team that can be good year after year and not just make one run at it. to do that we need to be in a good salary cap situation.
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AG was a Pro Bowl starter in his 3rd yr; where's PB's pro bowl? Let's face it, if Oakland was wanting to get rid of him, OAKLAND, how good can he be? They always pick up the malcontents and they wanted him gone.

We know it wasn't for salary cap reasons.
It was mainly the other way around. Buchanon wanted out of Oakland because he didn't like the coaching and didn't think all the players were trying their best.
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they also had one of the worst defenses in the league.. trying to make a 3-4 work with 4-3 personel. hard for a young corner to shine in a defense like that.

Buchanan is raw.. but he isnt as bad as the oakland fans make him out to be.. alot of his struggles can be attributed to the entire oakland defense.
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Just read on HoustonTexans.Com that Glenn was released outright today.
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they also had one of the worst defenses in the league.. trying to make a 3-4 work with 4-3 personel. hard for a young corner to shine in a defense like that.

Buchanan is raw.. but he isnt as bad as the oakland fans make him out to be.. alot of his struggles can be attributed to the entire oakland defense.
For example--Carr wasn't sacked at all by Oakland. Find me a CB who can cover AJ if Carr isn't pressured. Sure would be nice if the situation happened more.
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What do those teams have in common that we absolutely do NOT have in common. They are/were basically 'one player away' from the Super Bowl...

Plus, these moves are more about speed and playmaking than experience FWIW. We needed some more speed IMO.
You can't peg what the "formula" is, all teams are different. If we are a couple of players away, then where is our "TO" and "Kearse"?? Is it Greenwood and Buchanon. LOL. You act like Greenwood has blistering speed, boy are you overhyping this guy. And Buchanon may have a tad bit more in the rockets than Glenn but will need when he gets floated for 6.
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Morlon Greenwood ran 4.60 at the Combine. .05 seconds slower than DeMarcus Ware or Derrick Johnson.


And ive been looking for 30 freaking minutes and cant find Buchanans 40 times.. if I had hair id be freakin pulling it out. If anyone can find his 40 times please post em before I go postal on ESPN for their useless archives.
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Apparently he ran a 4.42.

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He tops the list of Buchsbaum's top 10 DBs. Ahead of R. Williams, Reed, Jammer, and L. Sheppard.

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Notes: Did not just play, but excelled in football, basketball, baseball and track in high school. Played in 10 games as a true freshman in 1999 and had 21 tackles and one pass broken up. Started six times and had 44 tackles, nine passes broken up and two interceptions in 2000. Pro Football Weekly All-America cornerback and Big East Special-Teams Player of the Year in ’01, when he picked off five passes for 157 yards and one touchdown and returned 31 punts for 464 yards and two touchdowns and five kickoffs for 157 yards and one touchdown.

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Exceptional athlete with terrific balance, body control and agility. Very fluid and quick and nimble-footed. Smooth turning and quick reacting. Closes on the ball very well. Has the great quick-twitch you look for in a corner, ball skills and natural running instincts when he has the ball. Makes big plays and scored on three different types of returns in 2001. Can play bump-and-run, man-off or zone coverage. Best athlete on a great Miami team, and with apologies to Edward Reed, may have been the team’s best player.

Negatives: Has average size and ability to play the run. Is not as physical as scouts would like.

Summary: May be the best cover corner in the entire draft and the best cornerback ever to play for Miami.
That's pretty high praise from Joel Buchsbaum.
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You can't peg what the "formula" is, all teams are different. If we are a couple of players away, then where is our "TO" and "Kearse"?? Is it Greenwood and Buchanon. LOL. You act like Greenwood has blistering speed, boy are you overhyping this guy. And Buchanon may have a tad bit more in the rockets than Glenn but will need when he gets floated for 6.

first of all, i said that NE and Philly are/were one player away, not us... I never said that.
Secondly, we have added Greenwood, Buchanan, Peek as a full time starter and TJ. ALL significant speed upgrades over what was there before. I haven't been hyping Greenwood at all. Go back and read every single post I have made. I have been saying that I like the increase in team speed. I think it will help us greatly. Go back and re-read the posts that you are trying to criticize, and get back to me when you can respond to what is actually being said.
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aaahhhh i dont know bout the rest od u but this has to be the saddest day in football to see glenn go to the cowgirls any other team i wouldbnt have been this upset but....THE COWGIRLS!!! say it aint soooo!!!
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yes but next year we benefit 4.25 mil and the year after that 5.whatever mil. we are getting younger and saving cap room. these younger guys are good players.

it seems they are trying to build a team that can be good year after year and not just make one run at it. to do that we need to be in a good salary cap situation.

I think what is being done is the right move for an organization trying to move from expansion to NFL contender for years to come. In order to be competitive right away and win a few games in the first few years (drawing in loyal fans and revenue), you needed some veteran leadership to prevent the younger offensive players from throwing up on themselves.

Now we are at the point where we can afford to jettison some older players with unfriendly cap numbers and let younger players evolve into leaders. Granted this isn't easy and takes stability at the top or the organization to trust young players to evolve.

Now, Glenn being gone is a loss of talent, but overall we are now in a positive position to land free agents for years ahead and we need to show we are an organization that is about opportunity to young players/stars. Although cutting players doesn't always send that message, but the fact that we granted Aaron Glenn the release in order to provide him the best situation for him is somewhat positive. We could have tried to trade him to somewhere he didn't want to go.

I think it is a good move. I didn't think that this draft was particularly strong and that the FA out there were nice but not significant for us. Not sure who is around next year, but I bet that Capers and Casserly do and that they might have an eye on some additional pieces next year. These guys don't operate year to year.
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Apparently he ran a 4.42.

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He tops the list of Buchsbaum's top 10 DBs. Ahead of R. Williams, Reed, Jammer, and L. Sheppard.

Here's what he had to say.


That's pretty high praise from Joel Buchsbaum.
He was a bust... its a old scouting report that makes you laugh, bad attitude, bad tackling, lack of effort or will to work out and train, and talks alot of smack for a guy that was benched atleast 5 times in the last two years ...and whats with this pass rush excuse ? Didnt you guys have a worst one than us ? Hes a bad corner, the homerism on this board is beyond words.
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He was a bust... its a old scouting report that makes you laugh, bad attitude, bad tackling, lack of effort or will to work out and train, and talks alot of smack for a guy that was benched atleast 5 times in the last two years ...and whats with this pass rush excuse ? Didnt you guys have a worst one than us ? Hes a bad corner, the homerism on this board is beyond words.
I wouldn't call a guy that young a bust just yet. I only posted the report because Grid asked for someone to help him find PB's 40 time. Imagine my surprise that a combine evaluation from the 2002 NFL Draft was old. Don't get me wrong PB is a risk, but he also has alot of talent. Wether or not he'll be able to use his talent and remain disciplined is something we'll discover over the season. I, for one, feel that he'll play better under a coach like DC as opposed the coaching carousel that was Oakland the past few years. Gruden, Callahan, Turner.
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I wouldn't call a guy that young a bust just yet. I only posted the report because Grid asked for someone to help him find PB's 40 time. Imagine my surprise that a combine evaluation from the 2002 NFL Draft was old. Don't get me wrong PB is a risk, but he also has alot of talent. Wether or not he'll be able to use his talent and remain disciplined is something we'll discover over the season. I, for one, feel that he'll play better under a coach like DC as opposed the coaching carousel that was Oakland the past few years. Gruden, Callahan, Turner.
Maybe you right , I hope Capers can fix him up, it would be shame such a talent is going to waste, but the only guy he listened to in the NFL is Deon Sanders, hell Deon gave him that name Showtime, .... maybe AJ could knock some sense on how a player from the U is really suppose to play and act like
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I think AJ will go a long way in making PB feel more comfortable here. Of course I would've preferred to keep Glenn here to keep PB in check if he let his ego go a little overboard, but obviously that won't be happening. DC is a defensive minded coach, and he has a knack for getting the most out of his players. Besides we still have Faggins to push PB, and competition can be one of the best motivators. It'll be an interesting season to watch to say the least.
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I think AJ will go a long way in making PB feel more comfortable here. Of course I would've preferred to keep Glenn here to keep PB in check if he let his ego go a little overboard, but obviously that won't be happening. DC is a defensive minded coach, and he has a knack for getting the most out of his players. Besides we still have Faggins to push PB, and competition can be one of the best motivators. It'll be an interesting season to watch to say the least.
I agree, also, im dont take this as trolling, i just dislike the guy , not the Texans.
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