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Old 10-25-2011   #1
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Default Mario and Barwin vs Barwin and Reed

I know this will get laughed at but I think the combo of Reed and Barwin is going to be better than the combo of Mario and Barwin. Now we have legit speed off the edge's which is going to force QB's to step up more. Barwin had a very disruptive game this week and Reed played very comparable to what Barwin was producing when Mario was opposite him.
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What you're saying may be counterintuitive, but that doesn't mean it won't wind up being true.

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For the $$$$ spent Barwin/Reed.
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If we can get Mario to sign a reasonable contract then I would love to keep all 3. Barwin has been fantastic so far this year.
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My problem with Brooks is that he is too aggressive against the run and leaves the backside cutback wide open
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My problem with Brooks is that he is too aggressive against the run and leaves the backside cutback wide open


This. The Titans only big run of the day came off of that last week with Ringer.
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My problem with Brooks is that he is too aggressive against the run and leaves the backside cutback wide open
LOL

How many yds did C.Johnson gain last Sunday.

I'd say Reed did a great job eliminating the cutback lanes against the Tacks.
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Default Re: Mario and Barwin vs Barwin and Reed

I think people are too quick to make a final analysis on situation like this, but the Texans at least get to see if Barwin, Reed, Jamison at low $$$ is more effective than paying a legitimate, if not a bit overrated, pass rusher market money after coming off another season where injuries impacted his play. I am going to let the other nine games play out, even though my bias is against attempting to re-sign Mario.
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I think people are too quick to make a final analysis on situation like this, but the Texans at least get to see if Barwin, Reed, Jamison at low $$$ is more effective than paying a legitimate, if not a bit overrated, pass rusher market money after coming off another season where injuries impacted his play. I am going to let the other nine games play out, even though my bias is against attempting to re-sign Mario.
Seems like a reasonable post.

We will have none that around here. LOL
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LOL

How many yds did C.Johnson gain last Sunday.

I'd say Reed did a great job eliminating the cutback lanes against the Tacks.
Chris Johnson is averaging 2.9 YPC, he's not hitting that cutback against anybody.

But I've paid close attention to Reed since the preseason and it's a weakness of his. He immediately tries to crash into the middle on a run and been doing it all season long. You hardly ever see him stay at home
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Default Re: Mario and Barwin vs Barwin and Reed

I kinda liked Mario + Barwin + Reed better than Barwin + Reed + whatever we got going now.

I'm definitely for giving it more time to see how Reed & Barwin pan out, my initial observation is that there has been a serious drop off. I haven't seen Antonio Smith for 2.5 games & there's been one JJ Watt sighting in that time. Brian Cushing appears to be our best pass rusher right now.

But, Brooks is a rookie, Connor is basically in his second year. JJ is a rookie. Let's see what happens.
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Brooks is a rookie, Connor is basically in his second year. JJ is a rookie. Let's see what happens.
Right on. A terrific performance considering the youth.

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I kinda liked Mario + Barwin + Reed better than Barwin + Reed + whatever we got going now.

I'm definitely for giving it more time to see how Reed & Barwin pan out, my initial observation is that there has been a serious drop off. I haven't seen Antonio Smith for 2.5 games & there's been one JJ Watt sighting in that time. Brian Cushing appears to be our best pass rusher right now.
This is spot on. Mario attracts a level of attention and offensive gameplanning that frees up a lot of room for other guys like Smith and Watt. Reed and Barwin are nowhere near that level despite their obvious tools.
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This is spot on. Mario attracts a level of attention and offensive gameplanning that frees up a lot of room for other guys like Smith and Watt. Reed and Barwin are nowhere near that level despite their obvious tools.
Cue the "Mario doesn't attract extra attention, nor do teams gameplan against him and that's just a myth" crowd in 3...2...1......
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u got to admit our whole front 7 plays better with mw on the line...A.smith gets sacks jj watt gets sacks and pressure etc. Although i will say that there are other areas where we need to spend that kinda money i.e.#2 cb/wr ... foster,tate etc...
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Default Re: Mario and Barwin vs Barwin and Reed

Sometimes, we fans get caught up in whatever is new and fresh. Reed is the new kid on the block, and so may get overly excited. And why not right? He's a high draft pick of ours and would love to see him take off.

But every single defensive coordinator in the league will tell you the Texans are better off with Mario and Barwin.

Could Barwin/Reed duo be better in the future? Of course there's always that possibility, but IMO, it probably won't work out that way, and this is coming from a big Reed fan.

Mario's elite combination of size, speed, and strength allows us to literally place him all over the front 7 and do it with success. That makes it tons easier for everyone else involved on the line and in the LB core.

Now, if you're saying having Barwin and Reed will result in the Texans fixing up the other holes in the roster to make us a better TEAM? Then for sure I'd be fine with that.

But if it's just duos, you've got to roll with Mario there instead of Reed.

Great post however, because we all know it's crossed our minds.
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u got to admit our whole front 7 plays better with mw on the line...A.smith gets sacks jj watt gets sacks and pressure etc. Although i will say that there are other areas where we need to spend that kinda money i.e.#2 cb/wr ... foster,tate etc...
I'll admit it's hard to tell, but when Antonio was getting a sack a game through the first 4 games, but hasn't had but half a sack since Oakland...... you got to wonder what's going on.

Now, since the Raiders game we've been playing QBs who just haven't been getting sacked. Campbell had only been sacked once I think in the 4 games prior. Flacco had been sacked 5 times in 4 weeks.... Collins 7 (I'm going by memory here).

Maybe the OLs have been getting better. Hasselbeck sure as heck did a lot to make sure he didn't get sacked..... got it out quick, threw it away several times, threw it at the feet of covered receivers...

Jacksonville is ranked 28th, giving up 21 sacks on the year already. That's 3 per game

Cleveland has given up 14 sacks in 6 games 2 per game

Tampa Bay has given up 10 in 7 games 1 per game.

So we should see quite a bit of action from our front 7 against Jacksonville, not so much against Cleveland & even less against Tampa.

But we need to see more of the Dawg, he needs to step up & make it easier on Reed & Barwin, not the other way around.
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How many sacks did Mario + Barwin get?
And how many have Reed + Barwin gotten?

Or how many have the Texans gotten during those times?
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How many sacks did Mario + Barwin get?
And how many have Reed + Barwin gotten?

Or how many have the Texans gotten during those times?
Also, are our player utilized different now, are we seeing a different defensive playcalling due to Mario being out?
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