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Old 10-24-2011   #1
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Default Arian Foster's pro day.. Wow!!

Found this article in old UDFA thread. Besides having issues with the coach, his pro day was nothing to brag about. Amazing how the draft is such a crapshoot.

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Foster posted times of 4.73 and 4.69 seconds in the 40-yard dash. Foster's best time in the 40 is about 0.14 seconds slower than the benchmark scouts look for in running backs.
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In the short shuttle, which measures flexibility, burst and balance, Foster ran a 4.53. That's about 0.3 seconds slower than the ideal. Foster's 32-inch vertical jump was about 4 inches short of the ideal, too. A 9-7 broad jump wasn't off the charts, either.
The only positive which did measure the one thing that makes him special.

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The one good test for Foster was the three-cone drill, which tries to measure agility and change of direction. His time of 7.09 seconds was well ahead of the curve.
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Default Re: Arian Foster's pro day.. Wow!!

His hip movement is incredible. Both quick and smooth. What funny about his fourty time is that in the open field he is not caught that often. On the long pass play on Sunday, several guys were in range, but never gained enough ground.
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The comments to that article are especially funny...& yeah, that agility test is what matters most for him...so it's not surprising he's done well in our system.
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The comments to that article are especially funny...
I wonder if that guy ever jumped off the bridge.. Lol.
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Found this article in old UDFA thread. Besides having issues with the coach, his pro day was nothing to brag about. Amazing how the draft is such a crapshoot.
I understand what you are saying, but just I just want to add something...

I don't think the draft is a crapshoot...Sure you have some surprises, and some guys don't pan out but you can scout well and draft well if you are prepared an know what you're doing...

The draft is a crapshoot for those that don't have a clue at all of what they are doing.
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I understand what you are saying, but just I just want to add something...

I don't think the draft is a crapshoot...Sure you have some surprises, and some guys don't pan out but you can scout well and draft well if you are prepared an know what you're doing...

The draft is a crapshoot for those that don't have a clue at all of what they are doing.
I guess I didn't mean that the whole draft is a crapshoot, I meant some players in general.
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I understand what you are saying, but just I just want to add something...

I don't think the draft is a crapshoot...Sure you have some surprises, and some guys don't pan out but you can scout well and draft well if you are prepared an know what you're doing...

The draft is a crapshoot for those that don't have a clue at all of what they are doing.
I think 40 times and such are ok for projections as to potential but they don't trump production . Foster was a good SEC back at a 4.65 which is better than a 4.4 in the CUSA . Foster's best asset can't be timed and that's his vision and anticipation .
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Default Re: Arian Foster's pro day.. Wow!!

Also shows you that game speed is different than your 40 time. He looks so much faster that most of the RB's in the NFL, yet he struggled with his running. Numbers help, but shouldn't be a be all end all.
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His hip move is incredible. Both quick and smotth. What funny about his fourty time is that in the open field he is caught that often. On the long pass play on sunday, several guys were in range, but never gained enouhg ground.
Exactly. Except I think you mean "isn't caught that often".

I have been saying it sometime now, he has just enough top end speed to have the home run threat. He did it yesterday, and last year against the Raiders comes to mind after being held out half the game.

Playing speed and 40 time are two different animals. His lateral quickness, acceleration, vision and balance are terrific.
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Exactly. Except I think you mean "isn't caught that often".

I have been saying it sometime now, he has just enough top end speed to have the home run threat. He did it yesterday, and last year against the Raiders comes to mind after being held out half the game.

Playing speed and 40 time are two different animals. His lateral quickness, acceleration, vision and balance or terrific.
Yeah, that typing was horrible, but you have an or instead of are.
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Looking at hose numbers, I don't think Foster is a very good RB. We should trade him.
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Default Re: Arian Foster's pro day.. Wow!!

Could Arian's leg injury have played a role in his sub-par numbers? I'm not sure what the timeline on his recovery was and how close that was to the combine.
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Could Arian's leg injury have played a role in his sub-par numbers? I'm not sure what the timeline on his recovery was and how close that was to the combine.
I don't know, but it really doesn't surprise me to find out that he's not that fast and that he can't jump very high. I don't consider either one of those skills to be very important for an NFL RB. You don't see them running full speed very often anyway, and when you do it's usually on a sweep that won't work, because it's the N F L. Besides that, we do have a scheme that calls even more for that vision and cutting ability. Speed is useless for so many RBs that just run into the pile.

I tell ya who can run and jump is Reggie Bush. He ain't no RB, but he can sure run and jump.
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How did he score on the vision and heart tests?

Oh.

Wait.
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people look at the combine all wrong. It ain't a place to determine who can play (that's for the field). It's just a tool to measure measurables, meet can compare the top players. I've never seen a first down made by a measurable. I think the fans put more into this event as a decision making tool than the teams do.
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Wonder what Kareem Jackson's numbers were....or did he fall down?
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people look at the combine all wrong. It ain't a place to determine who can play (that's for the field). It's just a tool to measure measurables, meet can compare the top players. I've never seen a first down made by a measurable. I think the fans put more into this event as a decision making tool than the teams do.
I think some teams fall in love with numbers and measureables and reach . Let's see ... hmmm ... Kareem Jackson's knock was speed and he trained to hit a 4.4 forty and got it . Because he was Saban coached and could run he was drafted in the 1st round .

Others include Mike Mamula , John Stephens , the guy the Titans picked from Arizona in the 2nd that played in Houston , Vernon Davis , Bruce Campbell , and Mario to an extent .
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40 time is nothing if you don't have the vision and know how to hit the hole. Most of the time the running back has to delay anyway so that the o line can open a hole.

I would like to see some sort of measurable for cutback for runningbacks though. Foster may not have the best 40 time, but his cutbacks are amazing to watch.
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