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Old 10-20-2011   #21
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Kubiak is expected to get the job done. If he cant win just because he has an injured star for a few weeks then he is in the wrong profession. Good coaches get the job done regardless.
Agree with you there. But the way McNair has handled the head coaching situation the last few years leads me to believe he might not feel the same way as us.
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He sounds a little doom & gloom to me.
When the sun rises every morning you begin to expect it to be there like clock work.

BTW, I totally get AJ here because I feel the exact same way.
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Kubiak hasn't deserved to be saved by excuses for more than two seasons.
Somehow, he still has staunch supporters.

I simply don't get it.
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Kubiak hasn't deserved to be saved by excuses for more than two seasons.
Somehow, he still has staunch supporters.

I simply don't get it.
Some simply like the ZB offense he has built here and thinks it could win a SB if it was firing on all cylinders and the defense was better.

I do agree that this is his last hurrah. Barring a playoff run, regardless of blame, McNair has to realize that we all need new hope.
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I take it you are not a fan of being in the AFC Championship game?

If Kubiak can win 2 playoff games and lose to the other best team in the AFC, would you really want to get rid of him? That is similar to the Chargers firing Marty when he went 14-2.
You are misunderstanding me completely. I, unlike 90% of the fans on this MB, am actually a fan of Kubiak.

If we made it to the playoffs and even won ONE game I would be happy.

I just hear so many people talking about 8-8 and 9-7 records and "backing" our way into the playoffs because Peyton is out (who gives a shit) and how it would somehow underscore our playoff victory or playoff apperance.

Trying not go off into a tangent but basically you would have two contradictory things going on here. One would be another average regular season record that many would be calling for Kubes head on a stake. The other would be our first playoff appearance (and possibly a run deeper into it).

Just bringing up food for thought to those that count everything on regular season records to think about the actual end result no matter how we got there in the first place.
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You are misunderstanding me completely. I, unlike 90% of the fans on this MB, am actually a fan of Kubiak.

If we made it to the playoffs and even won ONE game I would be happy.

I just hear so many people talking about 8-8 and 9-7 records and "backing" our way into the playoffs because Peyton is out (who gives a shit) and how it would somehow underscore our playoff victory or playoff apperance.

Trying not go off into a tangent but basically you would have two contradictory things going on here. One would be another average regular season record that many would be calling for Kubes head on a stake. The other would be our first playoff appearance (and possibly a run deeper into it).

Just bringing up food for thought to those that count everything on regular season records to think about the actual end result no matter how we got there in the first place.
I get ya. I hope this explains my stance.

Not making the playoffs is unacceptable to me. New HC is needed.

Backing into the playoffs (8 or 9 wins) and losing that first playoff game is unacceptable to me. New HC is needed.

Hell, winning 12 games and losing that first playoff game is unacceptable to me. New HC is needed.

Backing into the playoffs (8 or 9 wins) and winning 2+ playoff games is acceptable to me.

The gray area is winning 1 playoff game, and losing the 2nd. What do you do there?
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This team is starting to bore me. I'm no longer excited about watching them like I used to be. Don't get me wrong. I will watch and root for them to win, but, I'm starting to get bored and feel indifferent.
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What happens if we go 8-8 or 9-7 and win a couple in the playoffs and lose in AFC champ game?

Does Kubiak stay?

His regular season sucked and we back into playoffs due to outside circumstances but go deep into the playoffs. What to do, what to do???
If we make a push IN the playoffs, I am ok - it shows they finally learned how to win when it counts (or got damned lucky).

My fear is we back into the playoffs at 8-8 or 9-7 and get destroyed in our first playoff game AND Kubiak gets an extension for making the playoffs.
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On your first point, who knows if he still feels that way? I'm sure the injuries and setbacks they've suffered this season might have tempered his expectations a little.
What's that got to do with anything? Expectations shouldn't really change. A HC is supposed to be able to adjust to things like injuries, that's part of the game, that's why they pay coaches what they pay coaches.

Now if something outside of Kubiak's control were to happen.... say a drought... maybe I can see lowering the bar.

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This team is starting to bore me. I'm no longer excited about watching them like I used to be. Don't get me wrong. I will watch and root for them to win, but, I'm starting to get bored and feel indifferent.
Like when we are up against the Saints or Ravens, I sit there waiting for them to eventually lose. It's sad, really....
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Kubiak hasn't deserved to be saved by excuses for more than two seasons.
Somehow, he still has staunch supporters.

I simply don't get it.
Who are these staunch supporters, I'm curious. I think everyone is being realistic about Kubiak's position now & in the future.

We've got a few guys who moan & whine about past failures, and some guys who are saying it's time to move on from there.... no need repeating the same crap, regardless how true.

But I wouldn't say "staunch supporters"

I really want to know where you put me, because I feel you include me in that group even though I've said several times the man should have been fired this past off-season.
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I just hear so many people talking about 8-8 and 9-7 records and "backing" our way into the playoffs because Peyton is out (who gives a shit) and how it would somehow underscore our playoff victory or playoff apperance.
Because there should be an asterisk next to that little nugget. 2011 Division Champs*


*Peyton didn't play one snap in 2011.


If that were the case, make no mistake most here would feel this team has not improved at all. I would agree with them and expect 2 additional losses in 2012 (if Manning comes back). Plus with a year under their belts, the Jags & Titans will be stronger, so put down another 2 losses. So that 8-8 will actually be a 4-12 season corrected for the weakness of the division.

If that were the case, you'd basically have no chance of success with Gary Kubiak calling the shots in 2012.

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This team is starting to bore me. I'm no longer excited about watching them like I used to be. Don't get me wrong. I will watch and root for them to win, but, I'm starting to get bored and feel indifferent.
That defense has kept it interesting for me this year. James Casey had one game & Tate has had some moments.

Foster's 116 receiving game was nice as well.

AAMoF, I think three of our last 6 games have been on NFL replay, meaning they were among the three best games that weekend. Saints, Steelers, & Raiders. Sucks that we came out 1-2 through those games, but they were pretty exciting.

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Who are these staunch supporters, I'm curious. I think everyone is being realistic about Kubiak's position now & in the future.

We've got a few guys who moan & whine about past failures, and some guys who are saying it's time to move on from there.... no need repeating the same crap, regardless how true.

But I wouldn't say "staunch supporters"

I really want to know where you put me, because I feel you include me in that group even though I've said several times the man should have been fired this past off-season.
Yes, you certainly say you think Kubiak should have been fired. The problem is, except when you make that specific statement most of your posts are making excuses for his past failures, defending his current season performance, or painting rosy scenarios of an undefeated Texans future.

The inconsistency is so obvious I think you are being deliberately obtuse about it just to generate discussion and have an out when *gasp* somehow the Texans don't win their next ten games. Or nine. Or eight. Whenever beating that drum no longer makes "sense".
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That defense has kept it interesting for me this year. James Casey had one game & Tate has had some moments.

Foster's 116 receiving game was nice as well.

AAMoF, I think three of our last 6 games have been on NFL replay, meaning they were among the three best games that weekend. Saints, Steelers, & Raiders. Sucks that we came out 1-2 through those games, but they were pretty exciting.

Good point. The defense has been exciting to watch at times.
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Yes, you certainly say you think Kubiak should have been fired. The problem is, except when you make that specific statement most of your posts are making excuses for his past failures, defending his current season performance, or painting rosy scenarios of an undefeated Texans future.
There are some good arguments for getting rid of Kubiak. I usually side with those, & there have been times when I have posted them myself.

Then there are those hater-arguments that are created just for Kubiak. I personally feel I have been more consistent than the haters, because I don't hold Kubiak to a higher standard than I hold a Mike Singletary, or Hugh Jackson, or whoever.

If wins against the Dolphins & the Manning-less Colts don't count for Kubiak, wins against Seattle, Cincinnati, and Denver don't count for Harbaugh or Jackson.

If a loss to the Ravens is unacceptable for Kubiak, it's unacceptable for Schwartz, Ryan, Harbaugh, & Peyton to lose against New England, The Jets, or the Cowboys.
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The inconsistency is so obvious I think you are being deliberately obtuse about it just to generate discussion and have an out when *gasp* somehow the Texans don't win their next ten games. Or nine. Or eight. Whenever beating that drum no longer makes "sense".
generate discussion..... yes, that's why I'm here. If I want to have a circle jerk about something I have no control over, I'd hang out with family.

& I'm not giving myself an out. I'm trying to frame the conversation.

Jim Caldwell, is he a good head coach? Personally I don't think his past history tells us one way or the other. But if he can pull off an 8-8 or 9-7 season with the team he has now.... you're damn right he's a good coach. If he wins the next 10, how can you argue that?

It sucks he's without Peyton, is that an excuse, or a reason?
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I get ya. I hope this explains my stance.

Not making the playoffs is unacceptable to me. New HC is needed.

Backing into the playoffs (8 or 9 wins) and losing that first playoff game is unacceptable to me. New HC is needed.

Hell, winning 12 games and losing that first playoff game is unacceptable to me. New HC is needed.

Backing into the playoffs (8 or 9 wins) and winning 2+ playoff games is acceptable to me.

The gray area is winning 1 playoff game, and losing the 2nd. What do you do there?
I agree totally. On your gray area, it has to come down to how you lose. Blow out, a bunch of mental mistakes, bad coaching, poor execution, etc.
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I get ya. I hope this explains my stance.

Not making the playoffs is unacceptable to me. New HC is needed.- agreed

Backing into the playoffs (8 or 9 wins) and losing that first playoff game is unacceptable to me. New HC is needed.-agreed

Hell, winning 12 games and losing that first playoff game is unacceptable to me. New HC is needed. disagreed

Backing into the playoffs (8 or 9 wins) and winning 2+ playoff games is acceptable to me. -agreed

The gray area is winning 1 playoff game, and losing the 2nd. What do you do there?
-Have no idea what to do there. Depends on how we lose, who we lose to, final record of regular season.
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There are some good arguments for getting rid of Kubiak. I usually side with those, & there have been times when I have posted them myself.

Then there are those hater-arguments that are created just for Kubiak. I personally feel I have been more consistent than the haters, because I don't hold Kubiak to a higher standard than I hold a Mike Singletary, or Hugh Jackson, or whoever.

If wins against the Dolphins & the Manning-less Colts don't count for Kubiak, wins against Seattle, Cincinnati, and Denver don't count for Harbaugh or Jackson.

If a loss to the Ravens is unacceptable for Kubiak, it's unacceptable for Schwartz, Ryan, Harbaugh, & Peyton to lose against New England, The Jets, or the Cowboys.


generate discussion..... yes, that's why I'm here. If I want to have a circle jerk about something I have no control over, I'd hang out with family.

& I'm not giving myself an out. I'm trying to frame the conversation.

Jim Caldwell, is he a good head coach? Personally I don't think his past history tells us one way or the other. But if he can pull off an 8-8 or 9-7 season with the team he has now.... you're damn right he's a good coach. If he wins the next 10, how can you argue that?

It sucks he's without Peyton, is that an excuse, or a reason?
You wondered why people think you are pro Kubiak, I answered. I wasn't trying to start an argument about it. So a couple of final points and you can have the last word to tell me why I don't know what I'm talking about.

1) I want Kubiak gone. However, that doesn't put me in the ten percent that "holds him to a different standard". I don't go to the detail to blame him for fourth and one calls, etc. I see that he has been a little below average for his tenure here. He has one season that was two whole games better than Capers' best season. Last year was worse. He has had plenty of time, isn't progressing, and in a competition it is get better or be replaced. I guess I should stop reading your posts, since they seem to be directed to defend everything to those few who attack everything, not to us more moderate people lumped into some global "Kubiak hater" group.

2) This is just my opinion, but I find these "defend everything" posts just as tiresome the "attack everything" posts. I get tired of people nitpicking every single play that doesn't go right as an example of his being a bad coach. Any play can blow up; it's the body of work that counts. I'm just as tired of hearing about injuries, bad calls, and shortened pre-seasons. These are common across the league and every bump in the road shouldn't send the Texans into the ditch.

So I'm just going to ignore the posts from the two extremes. It will make a lot less reading, because those few posters do most of the posting right now. I'm sure it won't break any hearts if I don't read much of this drivel.
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