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Old 10-19-2011   #1
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Is it just me - or is all this media hype for Luck and the next great QB of ur generation - - sound a lot like the can't miss, best RB since WalterPeyton hype from a few years back?
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Is it just me - or is all this media hype for Luck and the next great QB of ur generation - - sound a lot like the can't miss, best RB since WalterPeyton hype from a few years back?
Probably goes in the College Forum, but lets just take a look at something awesome that Andrew Luck did one time in college:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF9PFJI_t5I

or this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMz9nwy7yYc

or this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zuBoOarPMQ

If you don't know about Andrew Luck all I can tell you is this:

Almost every QB coming out of college in the last decade has had a "but". I'll go down the list:

Cam Newton: Great College Career but, he only had 1 year of production and played in a mostly run based system
Sam Bradford: Great College Career but, had a pretty bad injury leading up to the draft. Also played in a spread system so it's hard to judge his numbers.
Matt Stafford: See Sam Bradford
Matt Ryan: Didn't really produce that well at Boston College
Aaron Rodgers: Tedford QB, of which many before him had busted
Alex Smith: Played in a spread

Basically all QB's who are really good end up getting picked apart even before the actual draft speculation starts, but this guy Luck, it's really hard to find the "but"s in his game. He's got the size, he's got the mechanics, he's supposedly a football fanatic, nothing in his background that screams "headcase" nothing. The guy has been everything that you could want in a QB for his college career and it's stunning to watch him play. He looks like Peyton Manning circa 2006 playing against little kids out there.
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Default Re: The Suck for Luck race

I do not watch college ball.

But I just remember that before the draft - they were showing highlight after highlight of Bush and the same things were said of him that he had all the tools, ability etc.
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I do not watch college ball.

But I just remember that before the draft - they were showing highlight after highlight of Bush and the same things were said of him that he had all the tools, ability etc.
Few things:

1.) Bush was a running back in college and Andrew Luck is a Quarter Back in college. I know you don't watch college ball so I'll just put that as number one.

2.) Bush played in a spread offense and got many upon many of his yards coming out of spread formations with 4 WR's.

3.) LenDale White also played for USC at the same time as Bush and was considered the "power" back who picked up the tough yards against 8 and 9 in the box.

4.) How much Bush was hyped during the draft process has little to nothing to do with how much hype Andrew Luck has gotten.

5.) Yes Luck could suck ass in the NFL, however, as far as prospects go, you have to go back to the late 90's to find a guy who has as few negative qualities about his play as Andrew Luck (That prospect of course, was Peyton Manning). Andrew Luck's hype seems pretty well deserved. I've watched about 5 or 6 Stanford games with him over the last 2 seasons and the guy is phenominal. I'm not a great judge of QB play at the college level, but he is really damned good at the college level and will most assuredly go #1 overall in the 2012 draft.

Unless somebody finds like dead hookers in the trunk of his car or something like that.
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Default Re: The Suck for Luck race

I was just asking a question.

I know a lot of you guys/gals watch a lot of college ball.

From all the media hype out about Luck and all the media hype about Bush, I just wanted to hear from you guys/gals what your thought were.
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I was just asking a question.

I know a lot of you guys/gals watch a lot of college ball.

From all the media hype out about Luck and all the media hype about Bush, I just wanted to hear from you guys/gals what your thought were.
Sorry I shouldn't have been so harsh.

But yeah, his hype is warranted. Stanford plays a pro-scheme where Luck spends a lot of his snaps under center. He makes great decisions, has text book mechanics, great touch, is like an amoeba in the pocket, and is for all intents and purposes, a gigantic football crazyperson. If the Texans were picking #1 overall this year, like they were for the year Bush came out, you probably wouldn't hear a peep about how some people don't want Luck, like you heard about Bush on here.
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I don't know how anyone who has watched him play not want him. This isn't a pass but geebus, he's fast and strong on top of that great arm.
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I don't know how anyone who has watched him play not want him. This isn't a pass but geebus, he's fast and strong on top of that great arm.
you forgot to mention he can tackle too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5STc2_bM7k
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you forgot to mention he can tackle too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5STc2_bM7k
Video was posted in the first response to the original post. yaaaay.
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All this being said, no, there is no garuntee that he will be a good NFL player. But with players like David Carr going #1 overall in previous drafts, yeah, he's going to get picked at the top and it's very likely that he's going to be a very good NFL QB in what will probably be a short amount of time.
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Unless he decides to stay in school one more year to finish his degree.
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Unless he decides to stay in school one more year to finish his degree.
I don't think he was red-shirted as a freshman so I'm not sure if he would have any NCAA eligibility left he decided to go back to school to finish his degree.
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Default Re: The Suck for Luck race

Here's a pretty good highlight reel of Luck:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BaOE...eature=related

He's awesome. Undeniably the best QB prospect since Manning and as Bong said, has no issues with his game. There isn't much to criticize with him, as you can see him throw from the pocket, on the run, out of a bootleg, accurate all distances up to 50 yards. The guy is incredible, and I won't fault any team that trades their entire 2012 draft + 2013 1st/2nd/3rd to get the first pick this year to take Luck. I hope the Texans are willing to do something like that and ship off Schaub in the process, because this guy is a future Hall of Fame'r.

In the words of Brian Regan, TAKE LUCK!



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iI have read that he still has 1 more year of eligibility left after this one.

If he is as good as y'all say, we need to start rooting for Indy to win a few games.
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I don't think he was red-shirted as a freshman so I'm not sure if he would have any NCAA eligibility left he decided to go back to school to finish his degree.
Luck red shirted his freshman 2008 season.
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iI have read that he still has 1 more year of eligibility left after this one.

If he is as good as y'all say, we need to start rooting for Indy to win a few games.
I've been doing that second part of your post since the Colts lost to the Chiefs. I am pretty mortified at the prospect of the Colts getting a guy like Luck and him terrorizing the AFCS like Manning has done for what seems like forever.
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The only QB I've ever scouted who was even close to Luck as a NFL prospect is Manning. Granted, I'm not a professional and I've had my share of misses.

The more I see Luck, the more I think he's the best college QB I've ever seen, in terms of how he projects to the NFL.

I get the Reggie Bush comparison in terms of hype. But the Bush hype was completely unfounded in my opinion. I had the guy rated as a 3rd round draft pick the year he came out. Bush was a slot WR lining up as a HB. And despite his incredible stats, the only thing he had going for him was that he was just a better athlete than the guys he played against. His entire skill set was based around that. And I thought at the time (and have been proved right since), that once he got to a place where everyone else was just as good an athlete as him (the NFL) he would not be a very successful player. He is a great situational player, but anybody who projected him to be a full time player at HB was just blinded to the facts by his athleticism.

Luck is more than that. Not only is he a better athlete than everybody he plays against, but he is also the smartest guy on the field (a great trait to have as a QB). He also outworks and outhustles everybody on the field. Plus, he has an elite skill set for the position and an uncanny awareness of what is going on around him.

In short, I have a man crush on the guy. He is the surest thing I've ever seen at QB.
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I think he'd fit the offense we currently run like a glove. He's got the arm, brains and speed to be a great NFL QB. Better arm than Schaub and definitely more mobility. BUT, that's a pipe dream that ain't going to happen
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I get the Reggie Bush comparison in terms of hype. But the Bush hype was completely unfounded in my opinion. I had the guy rated as a 3rd round draft pick the year he came out. Bush was a slot WR lining up as a HB. And despite his incredible stats, the only thing he had going for him was that he was just a better athlete than the guys he played against. His entire skill set was based around that. And I thought at the time (and have been proved right since), that once he got to a place where everyone else was just as good an athlete as him (the NFL) he would not be a very successful player. He is a great situational player, but anybody who projected him to be a full time player at HB was just blinded to the facts by his athleticism.
Bush is the most overhyped and overrated player to come out of college football. Ever ! This is the guy who wqs supposed to be the next barry Sanders and Walter Peyton all rolled into one.
MNF on ESN led with "Rggie Bush and Dolphins" visit the Jets in NY is the wasy they introded mondays game.
Name a player coming out of his Draft class who gets the hype and recognition that he does ? Outstanding players from that class like Ngata, Mario, Jones-Drew, and Cutler are far less known by fans and sponsers than Bush and yet each far more talented and valuable players. Even today 6 years after that Draft class when it's perfectly clear that Bush is monotonously mediocre, he's still hyped. I don't get it ?
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Bush is the most overhyped and overrated player to come out of college football. Ever ! This is the guy who wqs supposed to be the next barry Sanders and Walter Peyton all rolled into one.
MNF on ESN led with "Rggie Bush and Dolphins" visit the Jets in NY is the wasy they introded mondays game.
Name a player coming out of his Draft class who gets the hype and recognition that he does ? Outstanding players from that class like Ngata, Mario, Jones-Drew, and Cutler are far less known by fans and sponsers than Bush and yet each far more talented and valuable players. Even today 6 years after that Draft class when it's perfectly clear that Bush is monotonously mediocre, he's still hyped. I don't get it ?
ESPN will continue to hype him as long as he is in the league. To not do so would be admitting that they were wrong about him when every single one of their "analysts" projected him to be a Hall of Famer before he had even finished his college career.
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