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Old 10-19-2011   #21
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I will say something in Kubiak's defense. His teams have never, ever, quit on him. There's something to be said for that.
If they haven't been quitting, then they've been forgetting how to play. Either won't get you very far into the playoffs.
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....Does that mean GM Rick Smith is gone too?
I personally would like to see stats. I FEEL like so many draft picks have been a bust, but it could be normal for the league.

For each draft year, I would like to see % of players drafted who are on the roster in year 3 for Houston v. the league.

Yes, this will be skewed by carer ending injuries, us hanging onto people who have no business being ona roster, etc., but it would help me decide how I feel about Smith.
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I will say something in Kubiak's defense. His teams have never, ever, quit on him. There's something to be said for that.
'cause the kids know they'll be around the following year to run with the coach. May not quit, but do just enough to get by.

As for the OP - the two are seperate. In my utopian world - as soon as Bobby Mac sees it heading down the (same) track again, he'd be searching for a GM at that point during the season. That way, he's ready at the end of the season to launch the GM first... if he can find someone better, which I hope he would.

That GM would be brought in immediately after the regular season ends, if possible, and job one is to find a true head coach.

That's utopian.

Realistically, I see if we go down the same track again - I see Smith staying and Kubiak launched or vice versa... depending on which one makes it to Bob's pant leg first. I don't think it'll be both launched.
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If we fail Rick smith and Kubes should both be fired and all the coaches Kubes and rick hand picked and all of the front office

But they will Prob Keep Phillips and the coaches he brought in on the D side

and some of his players has well

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and send matt schaub to da bench or trade him
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I will say something in Kubiak's defense. His teams have never, ever, quit on him. There's something to be said for that.
They've never quit on him, they've never turned on each other, & they (other than Dunta) all tote the company line.

There's something to be said about that. The only way that happens is if they buy what he's selling. So there is obviously another side of Kubiak that we aren't seeing. Not camp cuddle-up or anything like that. but respect, major respect.

I bet they've got a major "us against the world" attitude going on in there.... sooner or later it's going to pay off.
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Realistically, I see if we go down the same track again - I see Smith staying and Kubiak launched or vice versa... depending on which one makes it to Bob's pant leg first. I don't think it'll be both launched.
This is my fear.
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They've never quit on him, they've never turned on each other, & they (other than Dunta) all tote the company line.

There's something to be said about that. The only way that happens is if they buy what he's selling. So there is obviously another side of Kubiak that we aren't seeing. Not camp cuddle-up or anything like that. but respect, major respect.

I bet they've got a major "us against the world" attitude going on in there.... sooner or later it's going to pay off.
This is a total mind****. I remember how vehemently they defended Kubiak back in '09 when they were 5-7. Then they came out and slaughtered the Seahawks, and all of them in their post game statements were talking about how Kubiak is a guy they'll fight to keep, etc.

Winning would be the ultimate testament to that, which they did the last four games that season. But we haven't seen anything since. Granted, this season isn't over yet; but I would really like to see how much they care about their coach by winning. Although it's kind of hard when your head coach is arguably the biggest reason you lose some of these games.
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I think picking your HC before your GM is just dumb. This entire regime was built in an assbackwards way.
Well, Bobby already has Kubiak's succesor on staff. So what does that tell you about Smith's future? You have to assume he stays because of the "great" draft we had this year.
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Well, Bobby already has Kubiak's succesor on staff. So what does that tell you about Smith's future? You have to assume he stays because of the "great" draft we had this year.
Wade? He's our DC. If you are picking your DC based on getting a coach to replace your current coach, you are again engaging in bassackward management.
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Wade? He's our DC. If you are picking your DC based on getting a coach to replace your current coach, you are again engaging in bassackward management.
Exactly! That's another thing I fear here........as you pointed out, this wouldn't be the first time the Texans have done it backwards.

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Wade? He's our DC. If you are picking your DC based on getting a coach to replace your current coach, you are again engaging in bassackward management.
I don't think they picked up Phillips as an "I may want this guy to HC our team" but more based on how good he's done with really terrible defenses before.
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They've never quit on him, they've never turned on each other, & they (other than Dunta) all tote the company line.

There's something to be said about that. The only way that happens is if they buy what he's selling. So there is obviously another side of Kubiak that we aren't seeing. Not camp cuddle-up or anything like that. but respect, major respect.

I bet they've got a major "us against the world" attitude going on in there.... sooner or later it's going to pay off.
The bad news is they ain't playing the world , they play the Titans .
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They've never quit on him, they've never turned on each other, & they (other than Dunta) all tote the company line.
I'm really trying to get off the Kubiak threads, but I don't entirely agree with this. I think, if not exactly "quitting on him", the team lost confidence in Kubiak's ability to lead them to better things. I think this occurred after the disappointment of the 9-7 season. The team was set up to do better than that and inexplicably failed. The regression last season could not have helped the matter.

While they might not be quitting, they certainly might be playing with a lack of confidence in their leadership.

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On another matter, and please don't take this wrong but it made me chuckle. Idioms are like rock lyrics....

Wouldn't "toe the line" make more sense?
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I'm just as tired of losing as the rest of you, but have you thought of the fact that if we fire one, or both, we will be back on a 3 year rebuilding cycle again? I, for one, shudder to even think of that.
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I'm just as tired of losing as the rest of you, but have you thought of the fact that if we fire one, or both, we will be back on a 3 year rebuilding cycle again? I, for one, shudder to even think of that.
I used to think that way myself. But after five, now possibly six years of the same old shit, I'm ready for the rebuild. If nothing else, we'll have someone new to blame.
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I used to think that way myself. But after five, now possibly six years of the same old shit, I'm ready for the rebuild. If nothing else, we'll have someone new to blame.
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I'm just as tired of losing as the rest of you, but have you thought of the fact that if we fire one, or both, we will be back on a 3 year rebuilding cycle again? I, for one, shudder to even think of that.
I hear ya man, but think if we commited and started that move years ago....we would be that much closer.

You have to ask yourself how many more years of being mediocre can you take?
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I'm just as tired of losing as the rest of you, but have you thought of the fact that if we fire one, or both, we will be back on a 3 year rebuilding cycle again? I, for one, shudder to even think of that.
So be it jax wasxin rebuild mode 2 and they won more games then us last year
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Sure isn't taking other teams that long to rebuild.

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