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Old 10-16-2011   #21
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losing to the raiders already slapped me.....

Im not going to lie waking up this morn i kinda felt there was a 50 50 chance we could bea the ravens so i kinda seen this coming

i do think we can Beat Tenn on the road NO PROBLEM THERE esp since im going LOL
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I have read this forum for a good number of years & have said very little but today I feel it is important to get this off my chest:

1. PRIDE: Until the Texans find it & until the fans find it, this team will struggle. Each team takes on the persona of those who believe or do not believe in them, we as a fan base have let our team down. You don't like the coach...tuff; don't like the QB...tuff; these are the cards we are dealt stand behind them because if you don't then neither will the players. Stand up & be proud of your team & they will feel they have a reason to go that extra mile for you. When the Oilers were around the reason they tried so hard was because the whole city of Houston was behind them win-lose-draw.
If this team, and the Oilers of the past had played as passionately as I cheered for them. They both would have numerous Super Bowl titles.
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If this team, and the Oilers of the past had played as passionately as I cheered for them. They both would have numerous Super Bowl titles.
You said what I wanted to say. However, if I would have said it, my language would not have been nice.
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To the OP: I don't mean to pile on here, because you're taking a pretty brutal beating.

But I need to point out something. The Texans are the newest team in professional sports. They are also one of the most profitable teams in the world. Really. They are. How does that happen? How does a team that has never been to the playoffs get to be so profitable?

Answer: the fans. The supportive fans. Who spend their hard-earned cash to support the home team. Reliant Stadium has sold out every game in the Texans history. Think about that for a second. Really THINK about that statement.

Personally, I don't think fans demand ENOUGH from this team. I thought the "Fire Kubiak" rally that was planned in January was justified. I think we're too nice.

Bob McNair owes the fans in Houston.

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To the OP: I don't mean to pile on here, because you're taking a pretty brutal beating.

But I need to point out something. The Texans are the newest team in professional sports. They are also one of the most profitable teams in the world. Really. They are. How does that happen? How does a team that has never been to the playoffs get to be so profitable?

Answer: the fans. The supportive fans. Who spend their hard-earned cash to support the home team. .
They are also the worst expansion franchise ever. The Bucs went 0-14, but they went to the playoffs after 4 or 5 years.
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Meh. Kubiak is the only constant holding this team back. This team has winning talent, but
losing leadership from its head coach.
i have always supported kubiak, but i wont lie my support is quickly diminishing
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I agree with most of what you typed especially the part about the effect of losing your best O and D players. The part that I can't accept is the notion of the fan support causing the players to go the extra mile. Well, these guys are professionals and make BANK - so imo they shouldn't need any xtra motivation to go the xtra mile.
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2. TRUTH: If you take the #1 offensive & #1 defensive player off of any team in this league no matter how good the other players are or how good the coach is the team will struggle. News flash people our Texans are playing without our greatest offensive threat that enables the rest of our players to shine. Our best Defensive player who was playing great after moving to a new position is gone...take Aaron Rodgers & Clay Matthews, Peyton Manning & Gary Bracket (prime example), Drew Brees & Johnathan Vilma from their respective teams & they would struggle as well. Until we are healthy we are wounded & while it may build character it is difficult to realize that even though it is a team sport; great players make those around them better.
I agree with alot that you said. I also agree about when our best players are not in the game. However, if you notice, all your examples include the QB being one of the best players on the team. And that to me is where lies the problem with the Texans. Our best player is not the QB. Drew Brees loses Colston, and he's still winning. Manning loses Harrison and turns guys like Pierre Garcon and Austin Collies into all-pros, Rogers loses a any WR and he still utilizes all the weapons he has around him. Schaub loses Andre, and that is a big deal, and now he can't complete passes because teams dare him to complete passes to other guys.

I've backed up Schaub for years. My one complaint was that he doesn't run to pick up a first down if he has to. However,these days he's not showing a killer instinct and is just trying to be a game manager. He's not the best player on our team. Bottom line. Teams with the QB as the best player win alot.
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I'm clicking my battle red slippers together 3 times, there's no place like Indy, there's no place like Indy........
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Reliant Stadium has sold out every game in the Texans history. Think about that for a second. Really THINK about that statement.
Let's think about that statement for a second.... really think about it.

Who "really" buys those tickets? I really want to know, because those seats are empty quite a bit. If they aren't empty, they've got the wrong team's fans sitting there.

Are they count as "sold" if ticket master bought them up? Or stub hub?

The Attendance only approaches capacity when we play the Colts, the Titans, the Cowboys, the Eagles, or the Steelers....

I am proud of those guys who went to Baltimore though... or the ones going to Tennessee.... all of those fans that travel with the team, you're the real deal.
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Let's think about that statement for a second.... really think about it.

Who "really" buys those tickets? I really want to know, because those seats are empty quite a bit. If they aren't empty, they've got the wrong team's fans sitting there.

Are they count as "sold" if ticket master bought them up? Or stub hub?

The Attendance only approaches capacity when we play the Colts, the Titans, the Cowboys, the Eagles, or the Steelers....

I am proud of those guys who went to Baltimore though... or the ones going to Tennessee.... all of those fans that travel with the team, you're the real deal.
corporations buy them and the people using the tickets may or may not be fans, may or may not show up, and kinda like to sit at the bar rubbing elbows with the other corporate guests.
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Preach on brotha, but you should know up front, TT is doom & gloom central. I guarantee we could win the SB one day and this place will still be a cat fight! Don't let them put you off, support your team and have fun, I know I will
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"On the good ship Kubi-pop, where the good teams, we cannot stop! But the fans will all say, just believe and it should all be ok!"

Hmm hmmm mmmmmmmmmmm hmmm........
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Man I wish I could use an excuse like this at work.

"Yeah boss I know you are paying me several million dollars but lately it feels like my coworkers just aren't cheering me on enough, thats how all that lead based paint ended up on those childrens toys"
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I love the fan who says our team is a result of us fans.

As if there is some supernatural law at work, propelling a team to greatness ONLY if the fans are great to begin with.

Sir, this is what I call a "Rah-rah! Thread" whereby you paint fans as being either "bad" or "good," based only on if we act like ditzy cheerleaders who ask the crowd to go "Rah-rah!" will we ever be any good.

I mean, seriously...you have wasted Internet ink if you expect everybody here to approve of your every line of thinking. Good luck with that. Obviously, you haven't been here "lurking" enough to understand that serious fans don't like rah-rah! threads. But you plowed forward anyways. Congrats on your 2 posts.

I was gone all day, went to a friend's ranch and shot my M1, fished, and drove 4-wheelers with my wife and two daughters. Come home to find we lost by 15, which was the destined outcome anyways, and I have to read on here that you think our team is a reflection of US? No, it's not.

I should have been here at home, screaming at my TV so that our team would have been willed to a win today. I accept full responsibility for being so foolish as to not be a good fan by cheering for my team today. It's on me. :itsreallynotbutohwell:
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I have read this forum for a good number of years & have said very little but today I feel it is important to get this off my chest:

1. PRIDE: Until the Texans find it & until the fans find it, this team will struggle.
And thaaaat's where I stopped reading the O.P.'s post. You know what "PRIDE" is? "PRIDE" is not rolling over and gladly accepting the same donkey punch week in and week out. If you gladly accept the same crap, that means you have NO pride and are just a pushover or a guppy. Sorry O.P., while I agree with you that the team NEEDS to find "it"...the fans already "have it" and have "had it" for years.
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Man I wish I could use an excuse like this at work.

"Yeah boss I know you are paying me several million dollars but lately it feels like my coworkers just aren't cheering me on enough, thats how all that lead based paint ended up on those childrens toys"
LOL. I enjoyed reading that.
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We all also know what will happen if this team doesn't succeed.
Drafting another corner and Kubiak getting an extension?
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Look, it's a long post and I don't want to take the time to break it down and speak to each and every topic. Instead I'm just going to put a word in red at various points and then summarize at the end. OK?

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I have read this forum for a good number of years & have said very little but today I feel it is important to get this off my chest:

1. PRIDE: Until the Texans find it & until the fans find (BULLSHIT)it, this team will struggle. Each team takes on the persona of those who believe or do not believe in them, we as a fan base have let our team down (BULLSHIT). You don't like the coach...tuff; don't like the QB...tuff; these are the cards we are dealt stand behind them because if you don't then neither will the players(BULLSHIT). Stand up & be proud of your team & they will feel they have a reason to go that extra mile for you(BULLSHIT). When the Oilers were around the reason they tried so hard was because the whole city of Houston was behind them win-lose-draw(BULLSHIT).

2. TRUTH: If you take the #1 offensive & #1 defensive player off of any team in this league no matter how good the other players are or how good the coach is the team will struggle(BULLSHIT). News flash people our Texans are playing without our greatest offensive threat that enables the rest of our players to shine. Our best Defensive player who was playing great after moving to a new position is gone...take Aaron Rodgers & Clay Matthews, Peyton Manning & Gary Bracket (prime example), Drew Brees & Johnathan Vilma from their respective teams & they would struggle as well. Until we are healthy we are wounded & while it may build character it is difficult to realize that even though it is a team sport; great players make those around them better.

3. RESPECT: The Ravens game was a prime example - Arian Foster has his cage pulled on a 4th-1 play that was not called because he had the wrong uniform on, Jacoby Jones gets both feet down & after review it is called the other way because its easier to make a call for the home team than give the young pups a shot. Matt Schaub played well today... injured, without all his weapons, & in pain on the road. He was hit late & yet picked himself off the ground because he wants to be there for his team, coaches & the city he represents. Matt Schaub deserves our respect for what he is doing, when we called him out that he couldn't stay healthy he found a way to always be on the field for us. This team needs to take that heart that has been shown by players like Andre Johnson & Matt Schaub & dig down deep, not get pushed around by "bully" Ravens but when they hit you HIT THEM BACK which brings me to my final point.

4. IDENTITY: This is merely what you allow yourself to be & the Texans do not have one. We are not the defensive juggernaut of the Ravens or Steelers, we are not dirty like the Raiders of old nor are we the fineness of the Colts or the golden boys like the Patriots. What we can be is whatever as a team & a fan base we decide to be...if we continue to dog on this team or if they continue to feel sorry for themselves we will be failures as we have been in the past OR both as fans & the players & coaches as a team we can aspire to be something more by not caring what anyone else says & believing that the Houston Texans are great & we are dominant & as a fan base we are the fans who will always stand behind their team. THE TEAM IS A REFLECTION OF THE FANS (BULLSHIT) & THE FANS ARE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE TEAM... (BULLSHIT)WE ARE IN THIS TOGETHER & YOU CAN EITHER CHOOSE TO ACCEPT THAT OR THERE IS THE DOOR!(BULLSHIT)

I am a Texans fan, my son who is not born yet (due in Jan.) has a Toro plush in his crib waiting for him in a room painted Liberty White, Deep Steel Blue & Battle Red. I like many of you have been there for the bad years & believed & I will be here for the good years but no matter what I will believe in the ownership, my fellow fans, the team & the coaches because
I BELIEVE IN THE TEXANS!
Some very good points in there but they're tough to appreciate because they're buried under all that bullshit about how we (the fans) are somehow failing the employees of the entertainment product we have chosen to spend our dollars on. Was "Green Lantern" not a good enough film because the fans didn't support it properly? Was the last record that flopped from some artist you like bad because you didn't want it to be good enough? Screw that. Save your "My baby in his crib that I carved from the bones of defeated Steeler linemen" bullshit for a better cause. This is just you being long-winded and pompous about your choice in entertainment not living up to its billing. It looks silly, cut it out.

But great post and welcome to the board!
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I love the fan who says our team is a result of us fans.

As if there is some supernatural law at work, propelling a team to greatness ONLY if the fans are great to begin with.

Sir, this is what I call a "Rah-rah! Thread" whereby you paint fans as being either "bad" or "good," based only on if we act like ditzy cheerleaders who ask the crowd to go "Rah-rah!" will we ever be any good.

I mean, seriously...you have wasted Internet ink if you expect everybody here to approve of your every line of thinking. Good luck with that. Obviously, you haven't been here "lurking" enough to understand that serious fans don't like rah-rah! threads. But you plowed forward anyways. Congrats on your 2 posts.

I was gone all day, went to a friend's ranch and shot my M1, fished, and drove 4-wheelers with my wife and two daughters. Come home to find we lost by 15, which was the destined outcome anyways, and I have to read on here that you think our team is a reflection of US? No, it's not.

I should have been here at home, screaming at my TV so that our team would have been willed to a win today. I accept full responsibility for being so foolish as to not be a good fan by cheering for my team today. It's on me. :itsreallynotbutohwell:

No, no. No. It's on me GP. I went and took the grandkids to the Renaissance Festival with my wife & family. I fell short of the definition of "ideal fan". There's no need for any of the rest of you to take on this burden. I HAVE FAILED YOU TEXANS! I HAVE FAILED!

Alas, I cannot make up for this transgression. Goodbye cruel world. Had I only been a better fan all of you might have seen a Super Bowl by now!

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