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Old 10-16-2011   #1
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First, I know it was a loss but didn't most of us expect it? I was very impressed with the overall defense. Reed, Barwin, Smith were excellent. I did not focus on Watt and don't remember him doing much, maybe someone else can help me out? ALso Demeco, I saw hoim make one good tackle but didn't impact game that I saw. Cushing was a man possessed and no one should say anything about this D without Mario. Williams would make it better but no one laid down. KJ did not cost a TD (I don't think). He had the holding call but that can happen. He was only beat once I saw and that turned out to be Manning's not helping at least what announcer said. I never got a clear picture of the play.

Offense looked better than I expected. I was worried about Briesel's ankle but did not seem to effect him much. A TE cost us a sack that hurt Matt and Schaub took a beating all game but hung in there. We need to get a QB soon to prepare to take over for Matt eventually. That may be Yates but difficult to say now. Positive upside is our recieving corps looked pretty good and we will be alright especially when AJ returns.

Jacoby was outstanding imo and all I can hope for is to see more of it. He is so inconsistent. THis game impressed me as I believe the team played four quarters and I wanted to see that. We are gonna be limping against you know who next week.
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The offense managed 14 points, and that was better than you expected? Were you expecting a shut out? And they played 4 quarters? Ummmm, I guess technically they did, but if you mean they actually completed a game and didn't go mentally soft, I guess we'll have a disagreement there.
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First, I know it was a loss but didn't most of us expect it? I wan very impressed with the overall defense. Reed, Barwin, Smith were excellent. I did not focus on Watt and don't remember him doing much, maybe someone else can help me out? ALso Demeco, I saw hoim make one good tackle but didn't impact game that I saw. Cushing was a man possessed and no one should say anything about this D without Mario. Williams would make it better but no one laid down. KJ did not cost a TD (I don't think). He had the holding call but that can happen. He was only beat once I saw and that turned out to be Manning's not helping at least what announcer said. I never got a clear picture of the play.

Offense looked better than I expected. I was worried about Briesel's ankle but did not seem to effect him much. A TE cost us a sack that hurt Matt and Schaub took a beating all game but hung in there. We need to get a QB soon to prepare to take over for Matt eventually. That may be Yates but difficult to say now. Positive upside is our recieving corps looked pretty good and we will be alright especially when AJ returns.

Jacoby was outstanding imo and all I can hope for is to see more of it. He is so inconsistent. THis game impressed me as I believe the team played four quarters and I wanted to see that. We are gonna be limping against you know who next week.
I'm with you on the first paragraph. Then you lost me. Everyone keeps telling me what a great offense the Texans have, and I even fall into the trap of thinking they're good sometimes. But when it really matters, when everyone doubts them, they confirm the doubts. They're good enough to show some stats after the game, but not good enough to dictate the pace of the game or even win most of the time .... or even half the time, if you count the last few years, or even five years.

Kubiak is a mediocre head coach and has built a mediocre team.
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First, I know it was a loss but didn't most of us expect it? I was very impressed with the overall defense. Reed, Barwin, Smith were excellent. I did not focus on Watt and don't remember him doing much, maybe someone else can help me out? ALso Demeco, I saw hoim make one good tackle but didn't impact game that I saw. Cushing was a man possessed and no one should say anything about this D without Mario. Williams would make it better but no one laid down. KJ did not cost a TD (I don't think). He had the holding call but that can happen. He was only beat once I saw and that turned out to be Manning's not helping at least what announcer said. I never got a clear picture of the play.

Offense looked better than I expected. I was worried about Briesel's ankle but did not seem to effect him much. A TE cost us a sack that hurt Matt and Schaub took a beating all game but hung in there. We need to get a QB soon to prepare to take over for Matt eventually. That may be Yates but difficult to say now. Positive upside is our recieving corps looked pretty good and we will be alright especially when AJ returns.

Jacoby was outstanding imo and all I can hope for is to see more of it. He is so inconsistent. THis game impressed me as I believe the team played four quarters and I wanted to see that. We are gonna be limping against you know who next week.
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First, I know it was a loss but didn't most of us expect it? I was very impressed with the overall defense. Reed, Barwin, Smith were excellent. I did not focus on Watt and don't remember him doing much, maybe someone else can help me out? ALso Demeco, I saw hoim make one good tackle but didn't impact game that I saw. Cushing was a man possessed and no one should say anything about this D without Mario. Williams would make it better but no one laid down. KJ did not cost a TD (I don't think). He had the holding call but that can happen. He was only beat once I saw and that turned out to be Manning's not helping at least what announcer said. I never got a clear picture of the play.

Offense looked better than I expected. I was worried about Briesel's ankle but did not seem to effect him much. A TE cost us a sack that hurt Matt and Schaub took a beating all game but hung in there. We need to get a QB soon to prepare to take over for Matt eventually. That may be Yates but difficult to say now. Positive upside is our recieving corps looked pretty good and we will be alright especially when AJ returns.

Jacoby was outstanding imo and all I can hope for is to see more of it. He is so inconsistent. THis game impressed me as I believe the team played four quarters and I wanted to see that. We are gonna be limping against you know who next week.
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Ah, yes. The "moral victory" argument.

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The offense managed 14 points, and that was better than you expected? Were you expecting a shut out? And they played 4 quarters? Ummmm, I guess technically they did, but if you mean they actually completed a game and didn't go mentally soft, I guess we'll have a disagreement there.
Prior to the game how many points did you expect? I was expecting maybe 17. We were playing a good defense without Superman. Where did you se more than a play or two where player went soft?
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The D played outstanding - the O didn`t. At one point this season our running game lost a step or 2. Schaub has a tendency to always be a tad off - a little high, little low... good WRs still catch those, but forget yards after catch if the ball is underthrown or overthrown.

This loss is not that bad - since it was one of the toughest games we play all season. With AJ back (hopefelly next week) this offense will be a lot more potent again. We should make the playoffs this year - but this is still a boderline-team. We just can`t overcome injuries to majory players.
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The D played outstanding - the O didn`t. At one point this season our running game lost a step or 2. Schaub has a tendency to always be a tad off - a little high, little low... good WRs still catch those, but forget yards after catch if the ball is underthrown or overthrown.

This loss is not that bad - since it was one of the toughest games we play all season. With AJ back (hopefelly next week) this offense will be a lot more potent again. We should make the playoffs this year - but this is still a boderline-team. We just can`t overcome injuries to majory players.
Much less to our best player. I know people always bring up the Packers but they actually kept their best player on the field.
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Prior to the game how many points did you expect? I was expecting maybe 17. We were playing a good defense without Superman. Where did you se more than a play or two where player went soft?
AJ is a great receiver but superman he ain't. Teams can win without their best players. Heck, one of my best memories of the Oilers was when we lost Pastorini, Burroughs and Earl Campbell and beat a really, really good Charger team in the playoffs in 79. All this rationalization and sunshine pumping is kinda pathetic if you ask me...but since your not asking I'll just add that to the end of this post.
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Our D has played well enough for us to win games that we have loss...but I expect more from the offense...its tough to run on the Ravens, so you spread them out b/c they are not all that against the pass...I expected OD, Walter and whatever RB to spread the field underneath with JJ stretching the field. It happened a couple of times...I also understand that you have to run in order to keep defenses honest...the offense just doesn't seem to have that fire, the game had 4 or less minutes left and they were still acting like it was at leaset twice as much time left...go no huddle, change the pace, manage the freakin game!!!!
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I'm with you on the first paragraph. Then you lost me. Everyone keeps telling me what a great offense the Texans have, and I even fall into the trap of thinking they're good sometimes. But when it really matters, when everyone doubts them, they confirm the doubts. They're good enough to show some stats after the game, but not good enough to dictate the pace of the game or even win most of the time .... or even half the time, if you count the last few years, or even five years.

Kubiak is a mediocre head coach and has built a mediocre team.
Did you notrice I did not mention coach? Identify what you realistically expected to see from our O. without AJ. JJ was spectacular imo. OD and Walter did what I wanted. The oline could have been better but the opponent's defense was very good. Take emotion out of it and tell me what you saw? I think playcalling could have been much better and used the RBs a bit better.
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KJ did not cost a TD (I don't think). He had the holding call but that can happen. He was only beat once I saw and that turned out to be Manning's not helping at least what announcer said. I never got a clear picture of the play.
Can't blame Manning on that one. It was man coverage, Manning was on the TE that took the out route. KJ has to stay on top of that man, that's why he plays so far off the line. There's no excuse for him to let that receiver to get behind him like that.

I think we also blitzed on that play & the blitz didn't get there. But KJ has to be on top on that play.


I thought Demeco had a hell of a game, he's still not 100%, but he's getting there.
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Prior to the game how many points did you expect? I was expecting maybe 17. We were playing a good defense without Superman. Where did you se more than a play or two where player went soft?
Last year against the same D they did a tad better. It was the D that stunk. This year the D played pretty well overall, especially in the red zone, but the O didn't show up for the most part.

The soft comment refers to the mental part of the game. This team doesn't exhibit any mental fortitude at all. And while I expected a loss, it would be nice if this team could surprise me.... just once by beating a damn good team on the road under less than ideal circumstances.

If anyone is old enough to remember - I harken back to the days of Bum when he took his beat up team on the road in a playoff game against SD and he had to play Gifford "milk shake" Nielson for crying out loud. He had no Earl either and had other players out or hurt. Yet, that team was as mentally tough as a bucket of nails, and they willed their way to a W under incredible odds.

This team is about as mentally tough as the offspring of the Pillsbury Dough Boy and the Stay Puft Marshmallow man.
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Can't blame Manning on that one. It was man coverage, Manning was on the TE that took the out route. KJ has to stay on top of that man, that's why he plays so far off the line. There's no excuse for him to let that receiver to get behind him like that.

I think we also blitzed on that play & the blitz didn't get there. But KJ has to be on top on that play.


I thought Demeco had a hell of a game, he's still not 100%, but he's getting there.
Yep.

Manning was man up on the te, the lb was in zone. Manning went with the out route, kj got roasted. . . Again. . .
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Then go watch it if a W is all you want. I do realize that we all are motivated differently. Sometimes the boy doesn't get the girl and I am ok with that if he did all he could. If you follow my posts you know I am not a koolaide guy or debby downer ( think those are the terms used.) I want to see good football against a quality opponent. Do you really think we would have lost to them if we had AJ and Mario? We are not that deep yet.
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Did you notrice I did not mention coach? Identify what you realistically expected to see from our O. without AJ. JJ was spectacular imo. OD and Walter did what I wanted. The oline could have been better but the opponent's defense was very good. Take emotion out of it and tell me what you saw? I think playcalling could have been much better and used the RBs a bit better.
Realistically? You want realism? LOL OK.

Frankly, about the only emotion I feel is resignation. What I saw today is just about exactly what I expected to see. An OL that would struggle to protect against a tough Ravens pass rush, a QB that has inadequate poise and pocket awareness, a running game that would struggle with no AJ to keep the safeties honest, and a coach that would fail to come up with a plan to overcome the loss of AJ.

Going forward, I expect to see a rebound game with some fire against the Tacks, and the sunshine club here to come out shining. I expect a follow-up win at JAX. I expect a 5-5 record going into the bye. I expect a 97 record to end the season. I expect a demoralizing playoff loss. I expect an extension for Gary Kubiak, and I expect that AJ will retire without a Super Bowl appearance unless he leaves here.

I also expect to watch every single play in frustration and disgust. But I figure after giving the Astros over 35 years of dedication with nothing to show for it, I may as well suffer through the same with the Texans. At least it's football.
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