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Old 05-03-2004   #41
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babin projects better to ROLB in our defense, in comparison the LOLB is more of a traditional type of linebacker as they will play pass protection on the TE and occasionally drop into zone in the flats. That's not to say that LOLB never put their hand down on the line and rush, but they do it less so then the ROLB.
Is this true? I believe that Kevin Green played LOLB and Lamar Latham played ROLB for the Carolina Panthers. Isn't Babin supposed to be like Kevin Green 'only faster'.
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Lamar Lathon (sp?), he used to be my favorite LB. I've been a fan of the Texans, but I've been a fan of Capers much longer since his Carolina Panther Days.
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From what I recall, Greene played LOLB and Lathon ROLB for the Panthers. I know both had 'sacks beaucoup' in '96.
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I do believe you got it right. Greene was a LOLB, and a total menace from that side also.
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Is this true? I believe that Kevin Green played LOLB and Lamar Latham played ROLB for the Carolina Panthers. Isn't Babin supposed to be like Kevin Green 'only faster'.
Yep Greene played on the left side, probably due to the fact that Lathon was the larger of the two (lathon was around 270 give or take, where as greene was about 20 pounds lighter.)

I didn't mean to indicate that the two OLB spots are mutually exclusive, but with babin playing at 260-280 and Wong (and Peek) being significantly lighter I see ROLB as his likely spot. I also think that it may be easier for babin to make the transition with fewer coverage responsibilities.
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I agree, and besides, Wong is not the OLB that needs replacing. We need a ROLB, and Babin is the man.
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If the poorer cover LB is on the right side, why wouldn't teams simply line up their TEs on the right? Isn't the real distinction between the strong and weak side and not the right and the left? Someone please explain why the ROLB would be needed less in coverage.
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If the poorer cover LB is on the right side, why wouldn't teams simply line up their TEs on the right? Isn't the real distinction between the strong and weak side and not the right and the left? Someone please explain why the ROLB would be needed less in coverage.
that's a bit like asking 'why is a LT valued more then a RT?' Generally, the 'strong side' is the right side of the field (left side for defense.) The key word being generally. From an offensive perspective, if you had a franchise LT why would you line up the TE over him while leaving your RT 'on an island' on a passing play. That's not to say it doesn't happen; it is all a big chess game after all. Again, I'm not saying that a player can only be a LOLB or a ROLB it's just the finer points of the position that I'm thinking about.
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I hope Babin is better than greene. He was worthless against the run. Great pass rusher, but I want the guy to be abe to do other things!
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Greene was solid against the run. "Worthless" isn't a very accurate characterization. Greene went to the Pro-Bowl 5 times.
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Greene was a solid LB at Pittsburgh, where he was a pretty good all-around LB (run and pass). It wasn't until Carolina, that he was known as a sack specialist.
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I don't see what's so bad about Foreman, his numbers aren't bad.
He is functional and that is it. His tackles are often several yards past the line of scrimmage, and he provide really zero rushing skills.

I'm hoping that by 2005 we have Sharper and Wong on the inside and Babin and Peek on the outside. That just seems like the way to go. I really will be stunned and highly disappointed if Foreman starts in 2005.
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He is functional and that is it. His tackles are often several yards past the line of scrimmage, and he provide really zero rushing skills.

I'm hoping that by 2005 we have Sharper and Wong on the inside and Babin and Peek on the outside. That just seems like the way to go. I really will be stunned and highly disappointed if Foreman starts in 2005.
He is also know for getting the stupid penalties at the wrong times (remember the Buffalo game)
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i dont think peek, orr, or babin can beat out foreman or wong ... yet.
I'll give you Foreman, but what has Wong done is the past 2 years? What Peek and Orr both showed in their few appearances last year was a nose for the ball and an ability to make a play. Wong has been a waste of a large contract, who might be salvaged by a move inside. Peek, Orr, and Babin sooner or later, will be the Texans OLB crew...what better time than now to get them polished?

When Wong was first signed he talked about the dreams he had about sacking quarterbacks...Unfortunately, so far for him all it has been is a dream.
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I think Orr did a wonderful job and you gotta love it when he ran down Michael Vick and sacked him. He even had a game clinching turnover against Buffalo. I would like to see a package that included Peek and Babin because it never really tells you who is coming in on a blitz.
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Yep Greene played on the left side, probably due to the fact that Lathon was the larger of the two (lathon was around 270 give or take, where as greene was about 20 pounds lighter.)

I didn't mean to indicate that the two OLB spots are mutually exclusive, but with babin playing at 260-280 and Wong (and Peek) being significantly lighter I see ROLB as his likely spot. I also think that it may be easier for babin to make the transition with fewer coverage responsibilities.
Clandestin. Thank you for your comments.

Can we keep it going. I thought that generally, the strong safety had the tight end in man coverage and that the outside linebackers would take the first back out of the backfield on their side. I appreciate that they are often changing it up to mess up the offense, but I mean generally. In this concept, the free safety plays center field.

If you agree with this generalization, both the LOLB and the ROLB have the same responsibility in the passing game. If anything, the ROLB has more of a challenge in the passing game, because he will have coverage in greater space (generally, less players in the same space equals more empty space). I would put the better athlete, as opposed to size, or the better player in coverage at ROLB.

In the run game, I would think you would want you better run defender, or stronger player on the left side, or the strong side, to hold up against more blockers (RT, RG, TE, FB generally).

All of this leads me to believe that everything else being equal, they would prefer Babin on the left (if bigger equals stronger against the run) and Peek on the right.

What am I missing?
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If you agree with this generalization, both the LOLB and the ROLB have the same responsibility in the passing game. If anything, the ROLB has more of a challenge in the passing game, because he will have coverage in greater space (generally, less players in the same space equals more empty space). I would put the better athlete, as opposed to size, or the better player in coverage at ROLB
I'll try to answer that, but someone please correct me if I'm wrong. When defending pass situations, we will be in nickel coverage for the most part. That brings in an extra DB for coverage. The weak side lb, should be rushing the QB for the most part.
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I'll try to answer that, but someone please correct me if I'm wrong. When defending pass situations, we will be in nickel coverage for the most part. That brings in an extra DB for coverage. The weak side lb, should be rushing the QB for the most part.
depends on what down, how many yards, what part of the field.

but yes, in nickel coverage, the weakside LB will be rushing, while the nickel CB takes on the extra WR.
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but yes, in nickel coverage, the weakside LB will be rushing, while the nickel CB takes on the extra WR.
And I hope they bring down Coleman to play the 3rd corner while McCree is playing FS
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