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Old 10-18-2011   #181
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Kubiak is a bad coach, but if you think he's the worst head coach in the NFL, then you're not very bright. Sorry.

Sparano, Fox, Del Rio just to name a few. Not to mention all these random guys like "Pat Shurmur" who's already being run out of Cleveland. Todd Haley is a bad coach (don't anyone DARE give me bull**** about Charles/Berry being out), Lovie Smith has been to the NFCC and a Super Bowl but talk to any Bears fan and they hate him, his game management, and want him out. Marvin Lewis has led a team of straight up idiots and criminals despite his couple years of "success". Other than that, he's been a complete failure and he's been around since like 2002. He's much better as a coordinator. Steve Spagnuolo is a bad coach too.

So Kubiak is definitely not a top-tier coach, and he's not the guy to take our team to the level we want to go to, and he should have been fired after 2009 Failures, but please, good lord, let's not say stupid ****.
Yet, all of the HC's you've mentioned have taken over bad teams and made the playoffs. Except Spags and a 1st yr guy Shurmur.

After 6 yrs we're still waiting and hoping that this is the yr Gary will lead his kids to the playoffs. So is Gary really a better HC than the HC's that you listed.
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Is it really wrong for the fans to question the three stooges? (BoBBy,Rick,Gary) After 6 yrs of failure?

Mr. Tex you've got it wrong. Texans fans are very loyal (Check out the Forbes list of most valuable sports franchises) They're just getting tired of SOS every yr and BoBBy blowing smoke up their butts.
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I am just afraid of a huge player turnover with a new coach and there does not have to be.
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I am just afraid of a huge player turnover with a new coach and there does not have to be.
don't worry, we no longer have an expansion team quality roster...we actually have some talent. You only need to clean house when you have a lot of garbage laying around.
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I have not thought the players are the problem for awhile.
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Yet, all of the HC's you've mentioned have taken over bad teams and made the playoffs. Except Spags and a 1st yr guy Shurmur.

After 6 yrs we're still waiting and hoping that this is the yr Gary will lead his kids to the playoffs. So is Gary really a better HC than the HC's that you listed.
Yep. All you have to do is watch their games to know why I say they're still worse despite having playoff appearances in years past.

Just like how even if Kubiak gets into the payoffs this year, he'll still be a bad coach.

Hell, Norv Turner gets into the playoffs but he's a BAD coach who Charger fans ****ing loathe.
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...but please, good lord, let's not say stupid ****.
Saying that Kubiak is a better head coach than Lewis, Lovie, Fox, Haley, or Del Rio is about as stupid as it gets. All have accomplished more than Kubiak. All of them. But hey, don't let facts get in the way when labeling something stupid.
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That doesn't mean the slightest **** when you're talking the state of those teams right now. And in the case of a guy like Fox who's only been there this year, look no further than what happened on his way out in Carolina.

If anything, if you want to talk about state right now, then Lewis is the best off. After 8 years of leading criminals and misfits and finally waking up to get better players.
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That doesn't mean the slightest **** when you're talking the state of those teams right now. And in the case of a guy like Fox who's only been there this year, look no further than what happened on his way out in Carolina.

If anything, if you want to talk about state right now, then Lewis is the best off. After 8 years of leading criminals and misfits and finally waking up to get better players.
You're only using the "state of right now" to defend Kubiak. Your defense
of Kubiak, and the reason why, is the real question.

I'm a Texans fan, and can clearly see Kubiak is the main hinderance
to my team's success. I simply do not understand the fanatic defense
of Gary Kubiak's tenure with this team.
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Is it really wrong for the fans to question the three stooges? (BoBBy,Rick,Gary) After 6 yrs of failure?

Mr. Tex you've got it wrong. Texans fans are very loyal (Check out the Forbes list of most valuable sports franchises) They're just getting tired of SOS every yr and BoBBy blowing smoke up their butts.
Geezus....people keep bringing this up like it means a whole lot in the scope of fandom & it really doesn't. All it takes into account are those fans who spend money on the franchise & that's it. what about those that don't have the money to but still root for the team as feverishly as the one who holds a PSL? IOW, fans like me.

But for the sake of argument, lets use you & apparently a few others' logic in here. So, the texans being ranked as the 10th most profitable franchise in the world means that our fan base is better than the phillies @ 50, the lakers @ 48, the cubs @ 42 & the boston freakin' red sox @ 31.... I think we know the answer to this....a resounding no. If it was so great, we'd be seeing "ESPN Houston" u know, like the above named teams have. Furthermore, texans fans are pretty animated, but no where near as passionate & rabid red sox fans.

Yes, the fans have an impact on how profitable a franchise is but it's just 1 piece to the puzzle folks. Besides, this list taken back in 2008 isn't so complimentary & we haven't changed much since from a W-L perspective to change anything.

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• Stadium factor (St.): Loud? Great atmosphere?
• Live and die factor (LDF): Fans take loss hard? (That's a good thing.)
• Traveling road show factor (Travel): Big presence in other guys' stadium?
• Loyalty when team sucks (Loyal): You score points with us if you stick with a loser.
• Hate factor (Hate): Other teams' fans dislike your fans? (Hate is good in our book.)
• Tailgate factor (TG): Home tailgates sizzling or stale?
• Home fans' creativity (CF): Wacky ideas … or not?

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Yeah but that article.. I mean its like in preseason when the Texans got ranked 30th in "uniforms" by some clothing designer.. who cares.

I don't think any computer program can realistically state how good a teams fans are. Oh man the signs and outfits we wear to games are a 3 we suck.
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• Stadium factor (St.): Loud? Great atmosphere?
• Live and die factor (LDF): Fans take loss hard? (That's a good thing.)
• Traveling road show factor (Travel): Big presence in other guys' stadium?
• Loyalty when team sucks (Loyal): You score points with us if you stick with a loser.
• Hate factor (Hate): Other teams' fans dislike your fans? (Hate is good in our book.)
• Tailgate factor (TG): Home tailgates sizzling or stale?
• Home fans' creativity (CF): Wacky ideas … or not?

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Yeah but that article.. I mean its like in preseason when the Texans got ranked 30th in "uniforms" by some clothing designer.. who cares.

I don't think any computer program can realistically state how good a teams fans are. Oh man the signs and outfits we wear to games are a 3 we suck.
I agree...which is why the whole forbes list argument is weak. Steeler fans came in here & straight took over reliant stadium......twice. a great fans doesn't let that happen under any circumstances.

VY playing for a rival team, running a game winning TD in to beat us & what do many fans in attendance do? Cheer. that's not what great fan bases do. The minute that bum put on a titans jersey he should've been public enemy #1 for all texans fans.
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Hey guys what's going on in this thread..

- more throwing KJ under the bus
- more arguing about how much Gary sucks
- more arguing



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Hey guys what's going on in this thread..

- more throwing KJ under the bus
- more arguing about how much Gary sucks
- more arguing



That is what goes on in every thread at some point.
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Geezus....people keep bringing this up like it means a whole lot in the scope of fandom & it really doesn't. All it takes into account are those fans who spend money on the franchise & that's it. what about those that don't have the money to but still root for the team as feverishly as the one who holds a PSL? IOW, fans like me.

But for the sake of argument, lets use you & apparently a few others' logic in here. So, the texans being ranked as the 10th most profitable franchise in the world means that our fan base is better than the phillies @ 50, the lakers @ 48, the cubs @ 42 & the boston freakin' red sox @ 31.... I think we know the answer to this....a resounding no. If it was so great, we'd be seeing "ESPN Houston" u know, like the above named teams have. Furthermore, texans fans are pretty animated, but no where near as passionate & rabid red sox fans.

Yes, the fans have an impact on how profitable a franchise is but it's just 1 piece to the puzzle folks. Besides, this list taken back in 2008 isn't so complimentary & we haven't changed much since from a W-L perspective to change anything.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/previe...ory?id=3549147
Agree with your point, but don't put Laker fans in there. The Lakers have the most illiterate, unintelligent, frustratingly infuriating fanbase out there. They are awful, clueless, and delusional. They don't know anything about the sport, and most "root" for the Lakers because its the trend. The worst and most insufferable fanbase in North American professional sports, and I don't think it's even close.
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Dunno.. don't you have Saints fans in your part of Houston? Nothing like finding out 1/4 of Houston were Saints Fans and having to see random cars all over the place all start having saints flag antenna balls and stuff.
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The Texans have the players to win now hopefully by the time they are ready to fire Gary and Rick these players won't be too old to do anything.
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That doesn't mean the slightest **** when you're talking the state of those teams right now. And in the case of a guy like Fox who's only been there this year, look no further than what happened on his way out in Carolina.
Fox took the Panthers to the playoffs 3 times in 9 seasons. They went to the Super Bowl in his 2nd season as head coach. And he absolutely deserved to get the axe we he got it. Good coaches get fired, as well as bad coaches. Then, there's the Kurious Kase of Kubiak....
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Yep. Exactly what I'm saying. Just because a coach has spotty success doesn't mean much if you look at how they or their teams are doing right now.

As for Kubiak, well, I can only shake my head. I'm sure he'll get another HC job after a while, but he might have to go back to being OC for a bit.
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Where's all the people who bashed posters for wanting to run Kubiak out of town at now? Here we are again playing .500 football.


You can change everything about this team and it will not matter....one thing is always consistent. Kubiak will find ways to lose and this team will play uninspired football under him. Just for argument sake, lets all agree this team will still make the playoffs in this weak ass division.. What will it matter? The teams that Kubaik can't beat are the same teams that we will be playing in the playoffs and Peyton will be back again next year.

All we're doing is spinning our wheels in the mud with this guy.. in the meantime Andre Johnson's brilliant career is being absolutely wasted. Gary Kubiak is our Wayne Fontes...and that's a insult to Wayne fontes.
C'mon man!! You're better than that! Or so I thought.

Going into this season and looking at the schedule, I had us 4-2 (at best) and 3-3 (at worst). My swing game was the Raiders game (yes, I had us beating Pitt) because unlike myopic NFL fans I knew the Raiders weren't that bad.

Oh well, it's no wonder I haven't been posting much lately.
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