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How is this not the answer to some of our problems?
Put Glover back at corner and stick Nolan in there.

I feel much better with Nolan at safety than I do with Allen or JAckson at corner.
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How is this not the answer to some of our problems?
Put Glover back at corner and stick Nolan in there.

I feel much better with Nolan at safety than I do with Allen or JAckson at corner.
I didn't key much on what Troy Nolan was doing, did he have a good game?
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I somewhat agree. It's hard to watch when all the opposing QB does is go after Allen time and time again. (I swear, there had to been 5 straight passing completions to Allen's man on that TD drive where Bey broke Allen's tackle)
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I can't say specifically if Nolan had a great game yesterday, but I can say that Allen or Jackson means a surefire 150 yards of offense for the other team. It's like taking candy from a baby on that side of the field.

To me, you can hide the deficiencies of a safety a lot easier than a corner. It's not as easy to just single out a safety and start picking on him as it is for them to just work Allen a new one out there.

You almost start thinking about how impossible it must be to be a corner in the NFL watching Allen. Then you turn around and watch the Raiders smothering our guys right off the line and staying on top of them like white on rice throughout their routes and you remember that it's just Allen that makes it look so difficult.
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I can't say specifically if Nolan had a great game yesterday, but I can say that Allen or Jackson means a surefire 150 yards of offense for the other team. It's like taking candy from a baby on that side of the field.

To me, you can hide the deficiencies of a safety a lot easier than a corner. It's not as easy to just single out a safety and start picking on him as it is for them to just work Allen a new one out there.

You almost start thinking about how impossible it must be to be a corner in the NFL watching Allen. Then you turn around and watch the Raiders smothering our guys right off the line and staying on top of them like white on rice throughout their routes and you remember that it's just Allen that makes it look so difficult.
I know that I've seen Troy Nolan play start at safety before and it was not pretty, so excuse me if I'm hesitant to see that again. I was at work during the game yesterday so I've only been able to give the game a cursory glance, but I didn't notice Nolan being bad so he must've had improvements in his game.
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I'm not so sure if the attack on Allen was more of them picking on him, or their reluctance to go towards Joseph. If you watched you can see that they barely even looked at Joseph's side of the field all game. And also in Allen's defense you have to play a cushion on these Raider's receivers because they all have lightning speed. That cushion is what they kept taking advantage of but I'd rather have then get an 8 yard pass once in a while than an 80 yard pass because he is trying to play bump and run and can't keep up.
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I can replay that 15-20 yard out to the sideline over & over in my head, you know the one(s) where Allen is 10 yards off, running sideways & spinning around to his opposite side like Olympic ice skater guy only to arrive two steps too late
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Due to allen gettin punked on all the time i wouldnt mind Jackson back in there at least he was improving last 4 games of last year
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Default Re: Glover back to corner

The Texans #1 need going into next year is (still) a corner.

Either they need to use their #1 pick on a corner, or they need to go after another big-time free agent to match up with Jonathan Joseph.

Glover Quinn will remain at safety.
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I can replay that 15-20 yard out to the sideline over & over in my head, you know the one(s) where Allen is 10 yards off, running sideways & spinning around to his opposite side like Olympic ice skater guy only to arrive two steps too late
If it makes you feel better, it's probably 3 or 4 different instances.

At least you're not seeing that weak ass tackle that led to the TD.

Safeties were up blitzing, you're it, you know you're it..... you can't under any circumstances miss that tackle.
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The Texans #1 need going into next year is (still) a corner.

Either they need to use their #1 pick on a corner, or they need to go after another big-time free agent to match up with Jonathan Joseph.

Glover Quinn will remain at safety.
This. Leave him alone and let him get good at something. Quinn is an ok CB but he could be a very good safety. Don't screw that up.
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The Texans #1 need going into next year is (still) a corner.

Either they need to use their #1 pick on a corner, or they need to go after another big-time free agent to match up with Jonathan Joseph.

Glover Quinn will remain at safety.

At this point i want a 1st rounder beast of a WR
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At this point i want a 1st rounder beast of a WR
If the Texans are able to land another big-time corner through free agency prior to the draft, then maybe that will happen. If not, then they need to try to address the corner spot through the draft.

Cornerback is the only position on this team that is woefully undermanned. It is a point of vulnerability that has haunted the Texans for several years now and will continue to haunt it until it is adequately addressed.

And Glover Quinn has already been tried at that position and found wanting. His future is at safety, a position which it should be noted is finally staffed adequately for the first time since this teams inception. Glover Quinn already has a job, and it is an important one that the Texans need for him to keep on doing.
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How is this not the answer to some of our problems?
Put Glover back at corner and stick Nolan in there.

I feel much better with Nolan at safety than I do with Allen or JAckson at corner.
I advocated this on a thread a few days ago. Quin is a very good safety and I rooted long for him to move to FS thinking we would have someone to play CB2, but that has not happened. You put Nolan behind Joseph and tell Joesph he remains with WR no matter what. Manning behind Quin and if problem not resolved it should be better than what we have.
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If the Texans are able to land another big-time corner through free agency prior to the draft, then maybe that will happen. If not, then they need to try to address the corner spot through the draft.

Cornerback is the only position on this team that is woefully undermanned. It is a point of vulnerability that has haunted the Texans for several years now and will continue to haunt it until it is adequately addressed.

And Glover Quinn has already been tried at that position and found wanting. His future is at safety, a position which it should be noted is finally staffed adequately for the first time since this teams inception just here this year. Glover Quinn already has a job, and it is an important one that the Texans need for him to keep on doing.
I know I might get some flack for saying this, but at this point, WR is a bigger need. Right after Andre Johnson went down in the Pittsburgh game, none of our WRs had a catch (maybe 1). Our offense completely shut down.

Same thing yesterday...our offense couldn't really get it done. Our running game was subpar without Andre 'cause they expected us to run it. The only receivers we have outside of Andre are our tight ends.

Defensively, we've been able to hold up fairly well against the other team. Yes, Kareem Jackson or Allen gets picked on A LOT when we play against other teams, but for the most part, the defense has done their part. They've been setting the games up so that the offense has a chance to win. They forced a 3-and-out, so the offense had a chance to win yesterday, but the offense just couldn't deliver.

I'm not denying we need another corner, I just think we're in dire need of another WR rigt now, that's all.
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Moving GQ back to CB in midseason would compromise 2 postions, CB and SS. GQ needs to stay where he's at and as soon as KJ gets healthy he needs to be back out there. KJ was playing much better than he did last year and showing improvement. No he's not perfect but he's improving.
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Moving GQ back to CB in midseason would compromise 2 postions, CB and SS. GQ needs to stay where he's at and as soon as KJ gets healthy he needs to be back out there. KJ was playing much better than he did last year and showing improvement. No he's not perfect but he's improving.
Neither is whom I want but straaight up I take Allen over KJ.
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Neither is whom I want but straaight up I take Allen over KJ.
Me too. I'm kind of at the point where I want to see Allen start the rest of the year and get stuck in bump and run coverage every single down. I'd rather see him do that the rest of the year, keeping Joseph on the opponents best receiver than watch Allen die 5-10 yards at a time all day long. He seems best suited to this. Give him help over the top if necessary and let him try to pick a few.

Once Reed gets up to speed in place of Mario the pressure will go back up and I think Joseph & Allen give us the best chance back there.
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Thread title is misleading. Quin has a good thing going for him, and the staff thinks he can be a probowl safety.
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I advocated this on a thread a few days ago. Quin is a very good safety and I rooted long for him to move to FS thinking we would have someone to play CB2, but that has not happened. You put Nolan behind Joseph and tell Joesph he remains with WR no matter what. Manning behind Quin and if problem not resolved it should be better than what we have.
Well hell, if we stayed in a Tampa two now with the corners we've got, we'll be ok.

Jason Allen keeps his cushion, so he can play on top of the WR..... no safety help. If we had safeties behind him, he'd have played closer to the line. I don't know if you noticed, but Quin & Manning were playing close to the LOS, either blitzing, run support, or manning up on the TE.

Again, the problem is not the cushion. Watch other games, or watch the defenses that play our offenses.... it's a technique. There is a reason when you play that technique. It's his fear of getting beat deep that gets him in trouble. He turns his hips, the receiver takes the out... if he doesn't turn the receiver runs past him.

Jason played the play correctly one time & forced an incomplete pass.... had he done that on two of the other three attempts, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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