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Old 10-09-2011   #1
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Default So where was all this so-called conservative playcalling?

I re-watched the game after seeing these "conservative playcalling" comments.

What the hell are you guys talking about? Seriously?

I mean, I saw a lot of bad plays, like bad passes, passes batted down, dropped balls, the Oline getting beat by the Raiders Dline, which didn't allow Foster to run much. A bunch of poor play execution brought on mostly again by pressure from the Raiders defense.

But conservative playcalling? Where? I didn't see any.

I still got the game taped. Tell me exactly when you saw a conservative play called. And be specific, so I can go back and see what you're talking about.
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Default Re: So where was all this so-called conservative playcalling?

I'm with you on this one Marcus. LOTS of crappy play, but not what I would call conservative. Running game not working so we were chucking the ball a boatload of times. Just a bunch of discombobulation on the offense, particularly the O-line. Maybe they believed all the press about being the best O-line in the NFL. Looked a lot more like a 2002 0r 2003 Texans O-line today than it has in the other games.
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I re-watched the game after seeing these "conservative playcalling" comments.

What the hell are you guys talking about? Seriously?

I mean, I saw a lot of bad plays, like bad passes, passes batted down, dropped balls, the Oline getting beat by the Raiders Dline, which didn't allow Foster to run much. A bunch of poor play execution brought on mostly again by pressure from the Raiders defense.

But conservative playcalling? Where? I didn't see any.

I still got the game taped. Tell me exactly when you saw a conservative play called. And be specific, so I can go back and see what you're talking about.
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I re-watched the game after seeing these "conservative playcalling" comments.

What the hell are you guys talking about? Seriously?

I mean, I saw a lot of bad plays, like bad passes, passes batted down, dropped balls, the Oline getting beat by the Raiders Dline, which didn't allow Foster to run much. A bunch of poor play execution brought on mostly again by pressure from the Raiders defense.

But conservative playcalling? Where? I didn't see any.

I still got the game taped. Tell me exactly when you saw a conservative play called. And be specific, so I can go back and see what you're talking about.
I wouldn't say conservative playcalling. I would say bad playcalling. Running into bad fronts, like when the Raiders had 5 men on the line or stacked the box and the Texans still ran. That's asinine. That's when you use play action or throw a screen pass.
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I re-watched the game after seeing these "conservative playcalling" comments.

What the hell are you guys talking about? Seriously?

I mean, I saw a lot of bad plays, like bad passes, passes batted down, dropped balls, the Oline getting beat by the Raiders Dline, which didn't allow Foster to run much. A bunch of poor play execution brought on mostly again by pressure from the Raiders defense.

But conservative playcalling? Where? I didn't see any.

I still got the game taped. Tell me exactly when you saw a conservative play called. And be specific, so I can go back and see what you're talking about.
Good post. Repped. I don't think we were conservative, we just laid an egg when it came to execution. Our offensive line looked like the Steelers O line. We even called plays to get the ball into open receivers who could have scored (Vickers) and he drops it. The sloppiness is just killing us.
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Good post. Repped. I don't think we were conservative, we just laid an egg when it came to execution. Our offensive line looked like the Steelers O line. We even called plays to get the ball into open receivers who could have scored (Vickers) and he drops it. The sloppiness is just killing us.
What puzzles me is why so many fail to see this? It's mind boggling. Especially some of the criticism of Schaub who was literally running/waddling for his life every passing play. Hard to be very accurate with people in your face the whole game - even Brady and Manning struggle under that kind of duress.

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I re-watched the game after seeing these "conservative playcalling" comments.

What the hell are you guys talking about? Seriously?

I mean, I saw a lot of bad plays, like bad passes, passes batted down, dropped balls, the Oline getting beat by the Raiders Dline, which didn't allow Foster to run much. A bunch of poor play execution brought on mostly again by pressure from the Raiders defense.

But conservative playcalling? Where? I didn't see any.

I still got the game taped. Tell me exactly when you saw a conservative play called. And be specific, so I can go back and see what you're talking about.
hmmm lets see, punting on their 37 yard line instead of kicking a FG. Never anything like a fake punt, going for it on 4th down just cause you believe in your players. Not letting B. Johnson play and instead relying on D. Anderson. 2 Screens the whole game, Foster is a monster after catching the ball lets do it if its working, and every time we did it it worked. Always running the same base plays over and over and over. If i know whats coming, you know whats coming and the opponent knows whats coming. i mean i could go on and on and on but whats the point. Sure we were only getting 3.2 yards per carry the game, but i would rather hand the ball off to foster and let him try to score than have schaub run around like a chicken on fire and then running into Gasoline. We all know we were waiting for a big mess up from the O and they didn't disappoint.

All that said i have always liked Kubiak, but you have to step out of your comfort zone every now and then if you want to get the tough wins. Tell me how do you justify punting in on their 37 yard line and then a quarter later attempting a 54 yarder. a little inconsistent don't ya think ? We miswell not have akicker take up a roster spot if you arent gonna use him.
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I re-watched the game after seeing these "conservative playcalling" comments.

What the hell are you guys talking about? Seriously?

I mean, I saw a lot of bad plays, like bad passes, passes batted down, dropped balls, the Oline getting beat by the Raiders Dline, which didn't allow Foster to run much. A bunch of poor play execution brought on mostly again by pressure from the Raiders defense.

But conservative playcalling? Where? I didn't see any.

I still got the game taped. Tell me exactly when you saw a conservative play called. And be specific, so I can go back and see what you're talking about.
Look at the personell. 2 and 3 te sets against a team that can't stop the run or the pass. Why not spread them out with 11 personel and try to run vs a heavy se.
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I wouldn't say conservative playcalling. I would say bad playcalling. Running into bad fronts, like when the Raiders had 5 men on the line or stacked the box and the Texans still ran. That's asinine. That's when you use play action or throw a screen pass.
It's useless to pick apart every play. Some wanted us to run the ball more some say we ran to much. We tried to run... It did'nt work... We started passing more.... Seems fine to me.

Now if you want to ***** about Kubiak putting together an offensive line that got manhandled today, you might have an argument.
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BattleRedToro and EllisUnit nailed it.

Perhaps conservative is the wrong word. The playcalling was just plain bad. Also one of my biggest gripes with Kubester, and something that could have helped in a game like this, is Kubiak not really allowing Schaub to audible. I mean when the defense stacks 8 in the box, let him audible out of the play. Change it up. Instead, we were predictable and the defense was able to just pin their ears back and get after Foster and Schaub. And where were the screens?

But I'm sure the apologists will have some sort of rebuttal. For 6 years of Kubiak, you've always had a rebuttal. You'd think they'd get tired of recycling the same old lines but week after week, here they come.
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...Kubiak not really allowing Schaub to audible...
I love how these urban myths continue to be perpetuated even though they've been disproven by all and sundry several times over. If you cared to find the truth, you would. Yet, somehow I don't think it fits your agenda.
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It's useless to pick apart every play. Some wanted us to run the ball more some say we ran to much. We tried to run... It did'nt work... We started passing more.... Seems fine to me.

Now if you want to ***** about Kubiak putting together an offensive line that got manhandled today, you might have an argument.
No utahmark, you're wrong.

I don't care what the fans want the Texans to do anymore than I care what Kubiak wants them to do. It is stupid to try to run against 8 in the box fronts. Everyone knows that. This is basic football. You are playing into your opponents strength when you do that.

If your opponent lines up with 8 in the box you make him pay with your passing game, this includes screen passes, bubble screens, slants, and tight end rollouts.

If your opponent lines up with 6 in the box you punish him with running plays.

If your opponent lines up with 7 in the box you have the flexibility to run or pass.

Of course, down and distance are going to play into this as well, but if it is 1st and 10 and they have 8 in the box and you don't make them pay with a pass, or they have 6 in the box and you don't gash them with the run then you should expect to lose the game.
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I love how these urban myths continue to be perpetuated even though they've been disproven by all and sundry several times over. If you cared to find the truth, you would. Yet, somehow I don't think it fits your agenda.
For the record he isn't some guy with some agenda and fire in his eyes. He has actually argued on the behalf of Kubes in the past against me, so that isn't exactly true. He's frustrated after a tough loss when we're in year 6 of a failed regime, so you sort of have to expect that. How would you call it an urban myth about Schaub not being able to audible though? Have you seen or read anything that contradicts that? Feel free to show me that, because I'd like to see it and I can guarantee you that others would as well. This game wasn't all on Kubes. Not at all. However, we're seeing a lot of the same trends we've seen in other seasons though. The good side of that is that we're 3-2 right now at least.
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I love how these urban myths continue to be perpetuated even though they've been disproven by all and sundry several times over. If you cared to find the truth, you would. Yet, somehow I don't think it fits your agenda.
I don't have an agenda. From what I've watched from my seats at the stadium as well as from my couch in front of my HDTV, I have hardly ever seen Schaub audible out of a play. I haven't missed watching a game either at the stadium or on tv in 5 years. Find me some video evidence showing Schaub actually change up the play at the LOS. And not just one isolated event. Prove that I'm wrong and that Schaub really does have full control of the game and the freedom to change up the play if need be. If he does, then Schaub is the one with the problem because the very definition of stupidity is to continue doing the same things expecting different results aka running the ball when the defense stacks the box and expecting a big play.

I think it's you with the agenda trying to find anything you can to continue on with your sunshine parade.
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For the record he isn't some guy with some agenda and fire in his eyes. He has actually argued on the behalf of Kubes in the past against me, so that isn't exactly true. He's frustrated after a tough loss when we're in year 6 of a failed regime, so you sort of have to expect that. How would you call it an urban myth about Schaub not being able to audible though? Have you seen or read anything that contradicts that? Feel free to show me that, because I'd like to see it and I can guarantee you that others would as well. This game wasn't all on Kubes. Not at all. However, we're seeing a lot of the same trends we've seen in other seasons though. The good side of that is that we're 3-2 right now at least.
Thanks Tex and great post as well.

I've been on both sides of the argument but after 6 years of watching the same thing and seeing us have the same problems with totally new players, it has become pretty difficult to not blame Kubiak.
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I don't have an agenda. From what I've watched from my seats at the stadium as well as from my couch in front of my HDTV, I have hardly ever seen Schaub audible out of a play. I haven't missed watching a game either at the stadium or on tv in 5 years. Find me some video evidence showing Schaub actually change up the play at the LOS. And not just one isolated event. Prove that I'm wrong and that Schaub really does have full control of the game and the freedom to change up the play if need be. If he does, then Schaub is the one with the problem because the very definition of stupidity is to continue doing the same things expecting different results aka running the ball when the defense stacks the box and expecting a big play.

I think it's you with the agenda trying to find anything you can to continue on with your sunshine parade.
i have seen it maybe 5 times since he's played with us. And hell for all i know he was telling them he wanted T bone steak after he throws a pick to end the game. Who knows none of us know what they are saying/doing out there, but i do know Schaub does need to audible more. He needs to be able to read a defense and adjust the play. And i have yet to see him do that
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Default Re: So where was all this so-called conservative playcalling?

I ask you guys to explain all of these "conservative playcalling" comments, and what do I get . . .

"Well uh .... We didn't really mean conservative playcalling, we really meant bad playcalling instead"???

That's about as lame as you can possible get.

Scapegoatism at its very shallowest, is really what it is.
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hmmm lets see, punting on their 37 yard line instead of kicking a FG. Never anything like a fake punt, going for it on 4th down just cause you believe in your players. Not letting B. Johnson play and instead relying on D. Anderson. 2 Screens the whole game, Foster is a monster after catching the ball lets do it if its working, and every time we did it it worked. Always running the same base plays over and over and over. If i know whats coming, you know whats coming and the opponent knows whats coming. i mean i could go on and on and on but whats the point. Sure we were only getting 3.2 yards per carry the game, but i would rather hand the ball off to foster and let him try to score than have schaub run around like a chicken on fire and then running into Gasoline. We all know we were waiting for a big mess up from the O and they didn't disappoint.

All that said i have always liked Kubiak, but you have to step out of your comfort zone every now and then if you want to get the tough wins. Tell me how do you justify punting in on their 37 yard line and then a quarter later attempting a 54 yarder. a little inconsistent don't ya think ? We miswell not have akicker take up a roster spot if you arent gonna use him.
most of mine are conservative play calling examples. towards the bottom half you will see where i mention some bad play calling as well.
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I ask you guys to explain all of these "conservative playcalling" comments, and what do I get . . .

"Well uh .... We didn't really mean conservative playcalling, we really meant bad playcalling instead"???

That's about as lame as you can possible get.

Scapegoatism at its very shallowest, is really what it is.
If for one second you could get your mouth off Kubiak's... ah nevermind.
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I saw a Raiders game plan that was pretty simple, and very smart:

1. Get into field goal range. Doesn't matter how, just GET THERE.

2. Let The Janitor take a swipe at a FG.

3. Collect your three points, and try it again when you get the ball after watching the Texans try to run against an 8-man front.

4. Watch the Texans beat the Texans, like they will do if you will just be patient and not screw up before they do. Just wait them out. They're the Texans. The only team that can stop them is themselves.

Gary, on the other hand....

Well, it's no use in trying to dissect the guy. He's got a podium to tap, so let's not be too hard on him.

The offense really eff'd the defense today. They did our defense no favors. I'd be pissed if I played for Wade Phillips today, because Gary's Kids didn't play like champions.

The whole game was just weird. Freaking Raiders. Dammit.
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