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Old 10-09-2011   #121
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This.

Every team wins.. every team loses. The good teams come back next week & stomp a hole in somebody's ass.

Let's see what we do next week.
agree, i just pray they dont let us down.
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Cowher in 2012.. make it happen..
We already have the defense he wanted ...

One thing though ... he's on the HOF ballot for this year. They don't get voted in if there's a chance they could still coach.

Wonder what's more important to him? A yellow jacket or another ring?
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This.

Every team wins.. every team loses. The good teams come back next week & stomp a hole in somebody's ass.

Let's see what we do next week.
Yep. Next week is always the game that counts for this team. The big losses are just opportunities to show what they are made of next week.
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We already have the defense he wanted ...

One thing though ... he's on the HOF ballot for this year. They don't get voted in if there's a chance they could still coach.

Wonder what's more important to him? A yellow jacket or another ring?
He wont get in this year. But come on people, we all KNOW this gig is Wade's when/if Kubiak gets canned.

Death, taxes and the Texans having a marshmallow for a HC.
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He wont get in this year. But come on people, we all KNOW this gig is Wade's when/if Kubiak gets canned.
Can this happen before the season is blown?

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Yep. Next week is always the game that counts for this team. The big losses are just opportunities to show what they are made of next week.
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ok and what was their overall record ???? They have had stafford for 3 years and this is his first healthy season you dont think thats a coinsidence ?
No I dont think it's a coincidence.

I was just proving the fallacy in your previous post.

Do you think the Texans could win 4 games in a row with Gary at HC and Lienhart at QB? I'm not sure right now they could win 4 in a row with Schaub and without AJ.
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Can this happen before the season is blown?


"Let's see what happens next week/year" is the Texans motivational slogan.

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Why not? Wade wouldnt change anything but maybe tell Dennison to be more aggressive. Give Rick a shot to call the plays.

lol @ the team motto comment.
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Doubtful

They won 4 in a row with the famous duo of Shaun Hill and Drew Stanton at QB to end last yr.

How many do you think the Texans would win with Lienhart at QB? If you think Gary is conservative now imagine the offense with Lienhart at QB.
I'd be interested in taking a look at the Texans with Leinart starting. I understand that he's no upgrade to Schaub as far as arm strength is concerned but I'd like to see what his decision making looks like and not just while playing with a bunch of second and third string guys in a preseason game.

Seriously, I'd just like to know if he's ready to live up to all that "potential" he's supposed to have.
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I'd be interested in taking a look at the Texans with Leinart starting. I understand that he's no upgrade to Schaub as far as arm strength is concerned but I'd like to see what his decision making looks like and not just while playing with a bunch of second and third string guys in a preseason game.

Seriously, I'd just like to know if he's ready to live up to all that "potential" he's supposed to have.
Would still be conceding the season and as pissed as I am right now I refuse to do that. Now if our O line plays next week like they did today Mr Lewis & Co. may just kill him and we will find out.
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I don't think it's that he can't coach an offense per se. I think it's a matter of ripping out all the higher risk/higher reward plays from the playbook when "nursing" a second half lead. (The type of plays that helped them to a strong first half.) By now every head coach and DC in the NFL knows the type of conservative game Kubes will call in such a situation, and they can pin their ears back and concentrate on stopping that stuff.
This is so stupid. With the game on the line today Kubiak went for a misdirection pass to a FB who hadn't been thrown to all year. Last week Kubiak threw deep to Jacoby in an attempt to ice the game, the game before that he went for a post to Casey.

The armchair QB's bring it from both sides. Kubiak calls throws that fail and it's "why aren't we RUNNING????" He calls runs that fail and it's "why are we SO PREDICTABLE?" Kubiak calls an effective play that leads to a big gain and it's "that's what we SHOULD be doing!"
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Kubiak gives up way to many offensive series playing it conservative. Now that we have a defense it will become evident to all.

Sad thing is I am not too sure he will change. Is it a lack on confidence in Schaub's judgement that causes him to be this way or his twisted sense of how to win a game.
It’s a little bit of both.

Remember, Kubiak served as a backup quarterback in his NFL career as a player, which I believe, in turn, has translated into a backup quarterback mentality as a head coach. It’s this very same oblique mindset that has disallowed Matt Schaub to grow as a mature QB. Instead of full – or even partial – play-call-sharing, instead, Kubiak has installed very little latitude to command the game as Schaub should; hence, a progressive worsening in Schaub’s play, despite working with the same offensive weapons. Audibles are almost nonexistent. The plays are one route reads, with a series of check downs, as opposed to scanning the whole field – and one of the most telling aspects of the Schaub/Kubiak connections happens off the field, as they both share the same demeanor and often use identical verbiage.

In short, not only is Kubiak responsible for retarding the growth of the Texans, as a unit, but also, he has hamstrung his quarterback, by a philosophically inept view of how the game is played today.

“In this league,” Kubiak would have been better off straight up copying Shanahan, instead of mimicking his own shortcomings as a career backup.
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This is so stupid. With the game on the line today Kubiak went for a misdirection pass to a FB who hadn't been thrown to all year. Last week Kubiak threw deep to Jacoby in an attempt to ice the game, the game before that he went for a post to Casey.

The armchair QB's bring it from both sides. Kubiak calls throws that fail and it's "why aren't we RUNNING????" He calls runs that fail and it's "why are we SO PREDICTABLE?" Kubiak calls an effective play that leads to a big gain and it's "that's what we SHOULD be doing!"
The FB screwed the pooch on that and should have caught the ball and run it in. He had a TD in his hands and blew it which is ironically the thing he seemingly wants to be known for. He's a "Gimmie the ball!" kind of FB who Cleveland fans mocked for thinking he was a RB. Well, we saw what Lawrence Vickers can do with the ball today didn't we?

Kubiak called some good plays. He also did his usual turtle impersonation when we were up 14-3. His offense has problems and they were apparent to many people even as we watched the defense sporting bigger problems. The offense is predicated on one player, Andre Johnson. Behind him are a bunch of WR's who get cut on other teams and there's no excuse for that. Jacoby Jones? Kevin Walters? These are role players not #2 wideouts. Sure, we've got TE's but they're no substitute for a top starting NFL WR. Never will be no matter how creatively they are used.

Today the Raiders said basically "You're not running the football" and they meant it. 8 men in the box most of the time and no seams or creases to cut back into. We did what we could and came up short. Kubiak isn't the reason specific mistakes were made. He's the reason we found ourselves with no one to go to besides TE's and Foster out of the backfield for most of the day.

I don't know what board the real QB's ***** on so you're stuck with the armchair QB's.
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...Kubiak has installed very little latitude to command the game as Schaub should; hence, a progressive worsening in Schaub’s play...
Schaub 2009 > Schaub 2010 > Schaub 2011. He's not getting better.



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This was a ridiculously funny statement. Lol!
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There were mistakes from all levels.

The O Line couldn't run block or pass protect.

Schaub was errant with most of his throws.

Jacoby played like Jacoby.

Vickers couldn't catch an easy TD.

Rackers misses a FG that would have put us within 3 at the end of the game.

Jason Allen made a play and then looked like Kareem Jackson.

Kubes stuck with the run for far too long, and didn't get the ball to Foster in space (enough).

The special teams was atrocious. On every play.

Despite all of that, we had the game in our hands on the last play of the game. Fix anyone of the above (O line first please!) and we win this game.

To say that Schaub was the problem here just ignores so much, but he needs to take his share of the blame.
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It’s a little bit of both.

Remember, Kubiak served as a backup quarterback in his NFL career as a player, which I believe, in turn, has translated into a backup quarterback mentality as a head coach. It’s this very same oblique mindset that has disallowed Matt Schaub to grow as a mature QB. Instead of full – or even partial – play-call-sharing, instead, Kubiak has installed very little latitude to command the game as Schaub should; hence, a progressive worsening in Schaub’s play, despite working with the same offensive weapons. Audibles are almost nonexistent. The plays are one route reads, with a series of check downs, as opposed to scanning the whole field – and one of the most telling aspects of the Schaub/Kubiak connections happens off the field, as they both share the same demeanor and often use identical verbiage.

In short, not only is Kubiak responsible for retarding the growth of the Texans, as a unit, but also, he has hamstrung his quarterback, by a philosophically inept view of how the game is played today.

“In this league,” Kubiak would have been better off straight up copying Shanahan, instead of mimicking his own shortcomings as a career backup.
Hmm. Well, two things.

1) Mike Shanahan is not nice. Dude would eat his kid if he had to in order to win a game. When the Broncos won those two Super Bowls back to back, their offense was "foot on throat" full throttle. Which leads to my next point...

2) John Elway. Kubiak still thinks he has John Elway. He doesn't. Shanahan's meanness and John Elway's talent is what drove the Broncos.
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Hmm. Well, two things.

1) Mike Shanahan is not nice. Dude would eat his kid if he had to in order to win a game. When the Broncos won those two Super Bowls back to back, their offense was "foot on throat" full throttle. Which leads to my next point...

2) John Elway. Kubiak still thinks he has John Elway. He doesn't. Shanahan's meanness and John Elway's talent is what drove the Broncos.
Exactly. The whole reason Kubiak was hired is because McNair had a hard on for those ol' Denver days, thinking that would spill over into Houston. Kubiak came with glowing recommendations. What McNair didn't know, however, was that Shanahan's rough hewn midwestern upbringing in no ways translates over into Kubes' "Ah shucks," mediocrity.
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There were mistakes from all levels.

The O Line couldn't run block or pass protect.

Schaub was errant with most of his throws.

Jacoby played like Jacoby.

Vickers couldn't catch an easy TD.

Rackers misses a FG that would have put us within 3 at the end of the game.

Jason Allen made a play and then looked like Kareem Jackson.

Kubes stuck with the run for far too long, and didn't get the ball to Foster in space (enough).

The special teams was atrocious. On every play.

Despite all of that, we had the game in our hands on the last play of the game. Fix anyone of the above (O line first please!) and we win this game.

To say that Schaub was the problem here just ignores so much, but he needs to take his share of the blame.
Sorry, but if this is still going on after almost five and half seasons under Kubiak then it is on him. This is his sixth season already.
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Hmm. Well, two things.

1) Mike Shanahan is not nice. Dude would eat his kid if he had to in order to win a game. When the Broncos won those two Super Bowls back to back, their offense was "foot on throat" full throttle. Which leads to my next point...

2) John Elway. Kubiak still thinks he has John Elway. He doesn't. Shanahan's meanness and John Elway's talent is what drove the Broncos.
I think all of that had to do with John Elway's greatness more than anything. You and I have always agreed on Kubiak going on several years now, but I also have always thought that Shanny built his reputation off of Elway's greatness as well. I think Shanhan is a good coach, but not some great one that some people believe because they see 2 SB's on paper. Elway was just that unbelievable "it factor" QB that could make things happen in the clutch and in crucial moments with limited talent. I've always put Elway in my top 3 QB's of all time, because he was just to unpredictable when it came to holding a lead against that guy. I hated him more than any other QB growing up. He reminds me so much of Manning and Brady now with him being Manning and Brady being Joe Montana. As great as Elway always could be there was always Joe Montana who was simply a cut above him no matter how great he could be. Either way, they were both once in a lifetime QB's.
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