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Old 10-24-2011   #101
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So I hate to point out any negatives in light of a stellar game, but JJ is still not a good WR. The play that is stuck in my mind from yesterdays game is the first play of the first drive in the 3rd quarter:

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Walter catches the ball crossing from the left to the right. Jacoby Jones was running basicaly a fly route on the right side. JJ stopped once Walter caught the ball, and instead of blocking either of two defenders to try and help Walter gain an extra yard or two, he stands there for a second and then jumps backward to clear out of the way.

I know some of y'all have posted pic sequences to illustrate a play. I'd appreciate help in that regard.
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He's still not a good WR, but he's now had at least two serviceable games for us. That's not saying a lot, but there's still hope in him becoming a legit #3 if he just finds consistency.

If the Mason trade alone results in Jones finding that consistency, then that trade did its job for the long term.
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he's not just "not good". he's horrible.

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So I hate to point out any negatives in light of a stellar game, but JJ is still not a good WR. The play that is stuck in my mind from yesterdays game is the first play of the first drive in the 3rd quarter:



Walter catches the ball crossing from the left to the right. Jacoby Jones was running basicaly a fly route on the right side. JJ stopped once Walter caught the ball, and instead of blocking either of two defenders to try and help Walter gain an extra yard or two, he stands there for a second and then jumps backward to clear out of the way.

I know some of y'all have posted pic sequences to illustrate a play. I'd appreciate help in that regard.
You might PM 76 on that.
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Is there a way to pull video from your DVR and post it online? Or make one of those animated gifs with it?
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I might be wrong, but it looked like he began an attempt at a block but saw it was too late. By no means am I sticking up for JJ. I really thought I saw him make an attempt. The camera showed him talking to Walter afterwards.
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I might be wrong, but it looked like he began an attempt at a block but saw it was too late. By no means am I sticking up for JJ. I really thought I saw him make an attempt. The camera showed him talking to Walter afterwards.
I saw the same thing, looked like he was thinking about the block in the back rule.


But how often does KDub get YAC? Jj probably thought the play was over as soon as Walter caught the ball.
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Is there a way to pull video from your DVR and post it online? Or make one of those animated gifs with it?
Yes, you need a capture device/card to do so, then you can edit it down with any sort of video tool like Windows Movie Maker or some Apple crap. I may be able to do this on Friday, once I finish upgrading my PC's and get everything in order, but if someone wants to do it before then go right ahead.
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I might be wrong, but it looked like he began an attempt at a block but saw it was too late.
I watched it repeatedly. He didn't. He stood there for a second, so maybe he was calculating the pros and cons, LOL. Then he just jumped backward out of the way. He's just not a physical player at all, even for a WR. But if I'm being nice, maybe I'll just upgrade my criticism to he has no instinct for the game.
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He's still not a good WR, but he's now had at least two serviceable games for us. That's not saying a lot, but there's still hope in him becoming a legit #3 if he just finds consistency.

If the Mason trade alone results in Jones finding that consistency, then that trade did its job for the long term.
Yep, he has another 3 years to look for it.
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he's not just "not good". he's horrible.

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Wasted Third rounder? By what measure?
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Wasted Third rounder? By what measure?
Most of the 3rd round was a waste that year, so I don't really fault the Texans for taking a shot. But most of the other teams have moved on from their '07 3rd round busts, I suspect.
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This is another reason why I want Andre back so bad. If Jville's CBs can play up on Bolden and Tory Smith, then they can cover Walter and Jones. We need our passing game to be ready for Jville's defense.
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Wasted Third rounder? By what measure?
How could you honestly say that JJ wasn't a wasted 3rd rounder? Hell, the guy would be a wasted 6th rounder. He hasn't done jack to make the Texans a winner. He has just been an inconsistent pest on this team that the coaching staff and fans keep glimmering at with all of these false hopes as if he's going to turn into some star when he has never shown any consistency to do that. A wasted pick is a wasted pick no matter what round you're in.
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How could you honestly say that JJ wasn't a wasted 3rd rounder? Hell, the guy would be a wasted 6th rounder. He hasn't done jack to make the Texans a winner. He has just been an inconsistent pest on this team that the coaching staff and fans keep glimmering at with all of these false hopes as if he's going to turn into some star when he has never shown any consistency to do that. A wasted pick is a wasted pick no matter what round you're in.
I agree, for the most part.

But sometimes I wonder about our offense. When Matt spreads the ball around, he spreads the ball around & this offense clicks. I doubt JJ will ever be the #1 option so we may never see that "big game" we'd like to.

Oakland was a good opportunity.. didn't happen.

Baltimore, I think he made the best of his opportunity in that game.

But you'll see Joel Dressen Flash, & KDub flash, & James Casey flash... then disappear for a couple of games. I don't think it's because these players are "inconsistent" I think it's because Matt does a pretty good job of spreading it around & going with what the defense gives him.
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he's not just "not good". he's horrible.

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I can go back an forth on draft picks. With the exception of first round - which should be solid if you've got a decent FO - the rest of them are a crap shoot.

So I can forgive using a 3rd on JJ with his combine stats.

However, I still don't understand re-signing him and letting Leach go to the Ravens. That move tells me what this coaching staff values, which is obviously the 'finesse' game over the power game. You can't give the ball to JJ for a yard up the middle, but you know it's a high percentage when Leach was carrying or blocking up the gut.
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However, I still don't understand re-signing him and letting Leach go to the Ravens. That move tells me what this coaching staff values, which is obviously the 'finesse' game over the power game. You can't give the ball to JJ for a yard up the middle, but you know it's a high percentage when Leach was carrying or blocking up the gut.
Jameel Cook.

Remember when Kubiak got here & we got Cook from the Buccaneers? Most of us was like, "WTF??" & TexansChick did a couple of reports showing us what a FB like Cook can do in a WCO, then we were like, "Ah.. I see... "

We stumbled on Leech (journeyman) & used him to the best of his ability. But we ran a lot without Leech on the field as well. I think Kubiak wanted to go with James Casey regardless & Vickers was brought in as insurance.

We've got the 5th most potent running attack in the league right now. Without Leech.

We've seen what Thor can do in this offense...

Hands down, no question, that is one situation Smithiak got right.



edit: I realize this has nothing to do with extending Jacoby
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Jameel Cook.

Remember when Kubiak got here & we got Cook from the Buccaneers? Most of us was like, "WTF??" & TexansChick did a couple of reports showing us what a FB like Cook can do in a WCO, then we were like, "Ah.. I see... "

We stumbled on Leech (journeyman) & used him to the best of his ability. But we ran a lot without Leech on the field as well. I think Kubiak wanted to go with James Casey regardless & Vickers was brought in as insurance.

We've got the 5th most potent running attack in the league right now. Without Leech.

We've seen what Thor can do in this offense...

Hands down, no question, that is one situation Smithiak got right.



edit: I realize this has nothing to do with extending Jacoby
I've read/heard the argument, and I can't argue to a certain extent.

But it's the one yard plays that will really be revealing, especially if this team gets to the playoffs.

One of the local radio hosts mentioned a stat when Leach was in the game blocking (both run & pass), it was a very high percentage that the Texans had positive yard gain. You've also got to factor in the abuse he dished out to opposing LBs, as this certainly has an impact in the fourth quarter.

But, I'm an old school football fan. Power game and defense kinda' stuff. I've seen too many finesse offense teams struggle in the playoffs, when weather become incremental and defenses are better, so I admit my bias toward keeping an old school position like FB at a premium. There is a reason the Ravens snatched him up (forget last night, that was horrible).

I can't argue about Casey, but I'm still not sold on Vickers. Dude has dropped a winning catch and blown too many blocks for sacks at this point for me to give him any love.
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I've read/heard the argument, and I can't argue to a certain extent.

But it's the one yard plays that will really be revealing, especially if this team gets to the playoffs.

One of the local radio hosts mentioned a stat when Leach was in the game blocking (both run & pass), it was a very high percentage that the Texans had positive yard gain. You've also got to factor in the abuse he dished out to opposing LBs, as this certainly has an impact in the fourth quarter.

But, I'm an old school football fan. Power game and defense kinda' stuff. I've seen too many finesse offense teams struggle in the playoffs, when weather become incremental and defenses are better, so I admit my bias toward keeping an old school position like FB at a premium. There is a reason the Ravens snatched him up (forget last night, that was horrible).

I can't argue about Casey, but I'm still not sold on Vickers. Dude has dropped a winning catch and blown too many blocks for sacks at this point for me to give him any love.
Seemed like Vickers completely screwed up on the failed fourth down run on Sunday. Vickers basically had two guys to block on the far edge and inexplicably chose to block the outside guy, leaving Foster to take an odd angle to get around his block. If Vickers just mashes forward on the inside guy, Foster has an easy cut-back lane and an easy first down.
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I've read/heard the argument, and I can't argue to a certain extent.

But it's the one yard plays that will really be revealing, especially if this team gets to the playoffs.

One of the local radio hosts mentioned a stat when Leach was in the game blocking (both run & pass), it was a very high percentage that the Texans had positive yard gain. You've also got to factor in the abuse he dished out to opposing LBs, as this certainly has an impact in the fourth quarter.

But, I'm an old school football fan. Power game and defense kinda' stuff. I've seen too many finesse offense teams struggle in the playoffs, when weather become incremental and defenses are better, so I admit my bias toward keeping an old school position like FB at a premium. There is a reason the Ravens snatched him up (forget last night, that was horrible).

I can't argue about Casey, but I'm still not sold on Vickers. Dude has dropped a winning catch and blown too many blocks for sacks at this point for me to give him any love.

That's how I feel too. There are points in a season where you absolutely, positively need one yard and everyone in the stadium, including the people in the luxury boxes talking business and not paying attention to the game knows you're gonna run. Failure kills a game winning drive and throws your entire season into jeapordy.

Vonta Leach was made for those plays. He wasn't born, he was forged by the gods to put a bruise on somebody's ass every time he hit them. I just think your team gets collectively weaker from not being in that mans presence every day.

I'd have signed Plaxico in a heartbeat, told Jacoby he could take my very minimal offer to come back and return punts, and signed Leach. That set of moves was entirely possible and affordable. A blind GM could have seen their way to doing that. Best of all worlds right there on the table and all Gary/Rick had to do was get over the inexplicable Jacoby Love they shared.

Not a doubt in my mind that we'd be 5-2 right now had they done that. Possibly even 6-1.
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