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Old 10-11-2011   #81
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I went through and counted 15 targets on Jacoby. I know the official stats say 11, but they must not be counting the batted balls & such that I'm assuming were aimed at Jacoby.

But yes, it seemed as if every time he threw the ball at Jacoby, Matt was getting hit. Most likely because most of them were deep routes & our OL just didn't hold up.

Jacoby kept looking for the PI, because he was getting mugged. But the rule is on a tipped pass, there is no PI. But Jacoby was getting open all day, his the high number of targets.

The fade to the endzone, was probably the only one I think Jacoby could have given more effort, that was one Andre definitely would have "found a way" to get. But Matt got hit on that one, & couldn't get the ball to the pylon.

At the game, I just about always watch our receivers & CBs.... everything else, I can see when I get home & watch the DVR. But Jacoby was getting open all day & I was pissed at Matt for throwing all the ducks at Jacoby.

But when I got home & saw the pressure that Matt had to deal with, I've got much respect for that man.
Oh yeah, the O-line was awful. I thought the gameplan was actually sound. They used their TE's to perfection. I will ***** that when Oakland was packing 10 in the box, the Texans were condensing down and playing right into their hands.
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I watched as much as I could see and what I saw was a wr running sloppy routes, making big rounded cuts when he should have stuck his foot in the ground and made sharp turns. Big sloppy routes with looping rounded edges changes where you are on the field by a few yards....and Schaub sure looked like he was just a few yards "off" most of the day. I don't see that many awful passes when AJ is running routes. I think those are on Jacoby "I'm really only a kick returner" Jones.
Yup. People see a ball in what doesn't look like perfect placement for a receiver and assume the QB made a bad throw when a lot of the time the receiver ran a poor route or did something the QB didn't expect. Breaking two yards too late can easily make a pass look under thrown for example.
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That spectacular throw and catch between Schaub and Walter showed me that the QB was not out of his game when the receiver was in position.

Jones should never have been put in at no. 1. Dude just can't hang in that role and folded under the pressure of the responsibility.
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Jones should never have been put in at no. 1. Dude just can't hang in that role and folded under the pressure of the responsibility.
Take away AJ and you have Kevin Walter, Bryant Johnson (was a street FA a few weeks ago), David Anderson (was a street FA a few weeks ago) and Jacoby Jones. That is one weakass group of WR's.
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Take away AJ and you have Kevin Walter, Bryant Johnson (was a street FA a few weeks ago), David Anderson (was a street FA a few weeks ago) and Jacoby Jones. That is one weakass group of WR's.
It's pathetic. I'm shocked, I tell ya', just shocked that an alleged 'offensive genius' would field such a weak bunch of receivers.
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Take away AJ and you have Kevin Walter, Bryant Johnson (was a street FA a few weeks ago), David Anderson (was a street FA a few weeks ago) and Jacoby Jones. That is one weakass group of WR's.
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It's pathetic. I'm shocked, I tell ya', just shocked that an alleged 'offensive genius' would field such a weak bunch of receivers.
Been crying for a while like a lot of people about no legitimate #2 in the bunch. Lot of role players and there's a place for role players but nobody on the other side of the field that has to be accounted for every down or he'll kill ya.

Plaxico could have been that guy. Cheap.
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It's pathetic. I'm shocked, I tell ya', just shocked that an alleged 'offensive genius' would field such a weak bunch of receivers.
AND talk about how well they played and how content he is with them
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I watched as much as I could see and what I saw was a wr running sloppy routes, making big rounded cuts when he should have stuck his foot in the ground and made sharp turns. Big sloppy routes with looping rounded edges changes where you are on the field by a few yards....and Schaub sure looked like he was just a few yards "off" most of the day. I don't see that many awful passes when AJ is running routes. I think those are on Jacoby "I'm really only a kick returner" Jones.
During the game, I also noticed the same consistently rounded non-sharp cuts. I commented that this could be very consistent with medial and/or lateral collateral knee ligament injury. During that celebration with AJ, you could see him come down on one leg at a very awkward angle, followed by a distinct unnatural wobbling of his knee from left to right (as opposed to the natural movement of forward to backward).........a classic occurrence for collateral ligament injury. After being limited in practice throughout week 4, he continued to be "limited" both last Wednesday and Thursday with a repeated status of "probable," again due to an "knee" injury. It may not explain all the poor play he demonstrated against the Raiders, but it would definitely significantly contribute to it.
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During the game, I also noticed the same consistently rounded non-sharp cuts. I commented that this could be very consistent with medial and/or lateral collateral knee ligament injury. During that celebration with AJ, you could see him come down on one leg at a very awkward angle, followed by a distinct unnatural wobbling of his knee from left to right (as opposed to the natural movement of forward to backward).........a classic occurrence for collateral ligament injury. After being limited in practice throughout week 4, he continued to be "limited" both last Wednesday and Thursday with a repeated status of "probable" again due to an "knee" injury. It may not explain all the poor play he demonstrated against the Raiders, but it would definitely significantly contribute to it.
Jones hurt himself earlier during a friggin' punt return if you get a chance to rewatch (on NFL replay tonight btw). Why your starting #1wr is taking punts when your real #1 wr is on the bench and two of your 4 wr's were street FA's a few weeks ago is idiotic. Typical Kubes though.
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Jones hurt himself earlier during a friggin' punt return if you get a chance to rewatch (on NFL replay tonight btw). Why your starting #1wr is taking punts when your real #1 wr is on the bench and two of your 4 wr's were street FA's a few weeks ago is idiotic. Typical Kubes though.
Well, that's a good question.
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Why are we not looking at this Jacoby:

Touraj "Jacoby" (T. J.) Houshmandzadeh, Jr.
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Touraj "Jacoby" (T. J.) Houshmandzadeh, Jr.
Probably the same reason no other NFL team is looking at him - whatever that reason is.
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Why haven't we seen this guy trying out here? I don't understand. He's one of a relative handful of people who might be able to help us and yet we're not seeing him even come down here to run some routes? You would think just due diligence or something right?
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Jones hurt himself earlier during a friggin' punt return if you get a chance to rewatch (on NFL replay tonight btw). Why your starting #1wr is taking punts when your real #1 wr is on the bench and two of your 4 wr's were street FA's a few weeks ago is idiotic. Typical Kubes though.
David Anderson had returned punts for us before so they can't use that excuse...
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It's pathetic. I'm shocked, I tell ya', just shocked that an alleged 'offensive genius' would field such a weak bunch of receivers.
He thinks he can move the ball with less than 1st round talent. He lets the defense have all the good draft picks and free agent money. He figures any fool can install a defense and make it work with enough talent. Only problem was there was not any one on our staff that knew what good talent looked like... until now.

So now we have an offense that is way less talented than most people think and a defense that is just coming together. He put himself into this boat lets see if he can figure out a way to make it work. Should be interesting.
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That spectacular throw and catch between Schaub and Walter showed me that the QB was not out of his game when the receiver was in position.

Jones should never have been put in at no. 1. Dude just can't hang in that role and folded under the pressure of the responsibility.
I thought that was a great pass as well...

Josh Innis on 610 yesterday repeatedly stated that Walter bailed Schaub out on that pass..

HUH? If anything Walter made it harder on himself.. not complaining, Walter made a great catch, but that wasn't the only way to skin that cat...

Over the years i've seen that type of throw and catch go for a house call.. Walter could have jumped both up and forward while turning around and it would have hit him in the numbers... He then could have landed on his feet running and try to arm off the tackle...

Like i said, not complaining, just stating how absurd i think it is to say Schaub was bailed out on that pass, it was a damn fine pass...

If only it could make up for the not so damn fine passes we saw... Oh well, we're not done just yet...



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Actually, sounds like Jacoby #1..........sans the complaining.....
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From a Baltimore Sun publication last year (reprinted):

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