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Old 10-10-2011   #101
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Brooks Reed looked lost out there. When GlassHalfFull saw me at halftime in the concourse area, she told me Mario was out.

I began watching to see how Reed would turn out, playing Mario's place out there. To me, he looked lost out there.

Mario in, things were too hot for Campbell to handle. Mario out, he had time to make throws and the defense was on their heels a lot.

HOWEVER......

Do you tie up your financial resources in Mario Williams after this season? How do the dollars for Mario's new contract affect what we can do elsewhere? The Texans are going to have to make some tough decisions.

I think the team is about to hit that magical wall they always hit, where they start thinking about the old "Geez, we suck. Wonder if I'll be here next year?" scenarios.

We got beat by The Janitor's leg and a fake punt. And Schaub's patented "Doh!" moments. It was a Bermuda Triangle of Doh!
Brooks Redd is not and will never be Mario, And i think half the blame for jacoby getting thrown at 11 times and catching 1 is on him. He is not a good route runner at all, he dont have the smarts to run the other way to get open for his QB whos trying to make a play. instead he stops, stands there and lets the CB run in and take the ball
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Attack the post not the poster.

Is MW's injury history not true?
Attack the poster? You've got off easy. The stupidity of this thread makes you a prime candidate to be tarred and feathered.

Find me an NFL lineman who has not a string of injuries over the course of their career. It's a contact sport. It's not like his injuries came from being out of shape.

There should seriously be a 24 hour waiting period to start new threads after a loss. A decade of failure has turned a lot of you into imbeciles.
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*Titans fan chiming in don't hate because I'm not here to troll I swear!*

As a fan of a team who saw Kenny Britt end his season just be happy that even if Mario is done for the season at least you know he'll be coming back 100% when he does. With Kenny's injury you never know, he might not ever be the same player again.
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MW injuries

1.Feet - 4.5 sacks
2.Groin - 8.5 sacks
3.Shoulder - 9 sacks
4.Pectoral - 5 sacks

Are you starting to se a trend here?

Armchair or not the facts dont support your argument. Sorry.... wish I and many others were wrong. Believe me I get no pleasure in pointing this out. But felt it was relevent.
I listed his sack numbers in bold during the times he was hurt, not sure on the groin, it was either 8.5 or 12 on that year. 3 of the 4 years he was hurt, he still lead the team in sacks and if memory served me played through most of the year with the groin and shoulder injury... Hell the dude has only missed 3 games due to injury and that was the last 3 of last year when the year was already decided a failure....

and these are just sacks in which only fools and people who do not understand the game of football only go by sacks. Mario Williams does so much more that does not get put in the stat sheet that we as fans, or those not paying attention, do not see and it's those things that makes is value worth the 14 mil.

You can take your VY or Bush colored glasses off dude and need to let it go, it was 5 years ago, only fans of this team think he is a waste, others that KNOW the NFL have stated he is worth every penny...Like I said, I;ll choose the opinion of those who ACTUALLY played in the league over armchair GMs 7 days a week, twice on Sunday....
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*Titans fan chiming in don't hate because I'm not here to troll I swear!*

As a fan of a team who saw Kenny Britt end his season just be happy that even if Mario is done for the season at least you know he'll be coming back 100% when he does. With Kenny's injury you never know, he might not ever be the same player again.
Absolutely right, Britt may never get that speed he once had back with a torn ACL, rarely does someone come back from that the same as before.

A pec tear will heal and Mario will continue to reek havoc in the backfield...

Sorry about yall's loss dude, we are kinda feeling it here in Houston missing AJ for the next few weeks.
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i have to disagree i say resign Mario to a long term deal draft a big physical WR in the 1st/2nd. Mario is the heart and soul of our D line what did brooks do today when he took marios spot ? Nothing that impacted the game, hell mario had a sack right before his injury
The decision isn't: Brooks Reed or Mario Williams. Re-signing Mario means giving him a huge signing bonus and a deal worth around $12-$15 per year. The real question is whether that money can be better spent. I think it can. That being said, of course the Texans are worse without Mario this year. After all, he is almost 15% of our salary cap and he can't produce anything on I.R. Hopefully, it's a grade one tear and we can get him back in a few weeks.
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The decision isn't: Brooks Reed or Mario Williams. Re-signing Mario means giving him a huge signing bonus and a deal worth around $12-$15 per year. The real question is whether that money can be better spent. I think it can. That being said, of course the Texans are worse without Mario this year. After all, he is almost 15% of our salary cap and he can't produce anything on I.R. Hopefully, it's a grade one tear and we can get him back in a few weeks.
How much do you think the salary cap is this year, and how much do you think Mario's contract is this year?
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Brooks Reed looked lost out there. When GlassHalfFull saw me at halftime in the concourse area, she told me Mario was out.

I began watching to see how Reed would turn out, playing Mario's place out there. To me, he looked lost out there.

Mario in, things were too hot for Campbell to handle. Mario out, he had time to make throws and the defense was on their heels a lot.

HOWEVER......

Do you tie up your financial resources in Mario Williams after this season? How do the dollars for Mario's new contract affect what we can do elsewhere? The Texans are going to have to make some tough decisions.

I think the team is about to hit that magical wall they always hit, where they start thinking about the old "Geez, we suck. Wonder if I'll be here next year?" scenarios.

We got beat by The Janitor's leg and a fake punt. And Schaub's patented "Doh!" moments. It was a Bermuda Triangle of Doh!
Reed did look lost out there but so did Mario when he first started. Mario started to look more comfortable the more reps he got and I think Reed will do the same now that he maybe running exclusively with the 1st team..

It may take Reed a game or 2 plus the Bye to get fully acclimated with the 1st team, hopefully sooner but this is my assumption...
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I just want a guy that can be counted on to play 16 games.
We should get rid of AJ too. Going by this logic at least.
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Again though dont be biased. AJ is on the top of that cant perform 16 games list. When Mario is in the game he is a force to be reckoned with. Up till this point he has only missed 3 career games and that was ALL at the end of last season. other than that he has played all 16 games every season.

i do see what ur saying BUT using the excuse about him always missing games because of injuries is not valid. May he be injured, sure but he usually plays through them.
He's played all 16 games, but very few were 100% healthy. The man is a warrior. I was actually saying we're finally in a position that he can sit out for minor injuries & get more 100% games from him.

Yesterday's game didn't change any of that. Antonio still had a good game & Brooks is coming along.

I noticed Antonio sitting out quite a bit, is he nicked up as well? The defense did as well as expected, maybe even better. But when your offense can't stay on the field, it makes it difficult to consistently pressure the QB. Our offensive 3 & outs killed our defense.

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Brooks Reed looked lost out there. When GlassHalfFull saw me at halftime in the concourse area, she told me Mario was out.

I began watching to see how Reed would turn out, playing Mario's place out there. To me, he looked lost out there.

Mario in, things were too hot for Campbell to handle. Mario out, he had time to make throws and the defense was on their heels a lot.
I don't think so. The Raiders did nothing for the entire first half.. Mario went out in the 1st Qtr. There were still good plays defensively in the second half... Antonio was still doing his thing & Cushing stepped it up.

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Reed did look lost out there but so did Mario when he first started. Mario started to look more comfortable the more reps he got and I think Reed will do the same now that he maybe running exclusively with the 1st team..

It may take Reed a game or 2 plus the Bye to get fully acclimated with the 1st team, hopefully sooner but this is my assumption...
True.... even CMIII didn't look like CMIII as a rookie.
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Yes, true. Vince would have scored on that last play.
So would DAVID CARR!! remember that Jags game when he dove over the pile for a TD? Sorry, I know you guys will spit needles just at the mention of the name, BUT, he did at least make a friggin effort to score!

back to topic! Mario and Demeco are the heart and soul of our D, and sometimes AS. Our D was AWFUL last year without Demeco, BUT, we didn't have Wade to pull them back together. IF anyone can patch up this D, with Mario out, Wade Phillips is the man to do it. We just gotta pray Demeco and AS stay healthy. JJ Watt is coming along nicely, and I believe Reed will do the same! BOTH good rooks with good attitudes! They have their chance to prove their worth, lets just hope they get the job done!!
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Texans LB Mario Williams has a torn pectoral muscle that will sideline him indefinitely if not for the remainder of the season.

Now who do we scramble and get off the FA list?



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Houston Texans linebacker Mario Williams has a torn pectoral muscle that will sideline him indefinitely, if not for the remainder of the season, a person familiar with the injury told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.

Williams is undergoing more tests Monday to see if there's any hope the Texans could get him back later this season.

Williams appeared to be hurt while sacking Jason Campbell with about five minutes left in the first quarter of Houston's 25-20 loss to Oakland on Sunday.

He was taken to the locker room and did not return. Coach Gary Kubiak offered no specifics to Williams' condition after the game.

"I'm not a doctor, so I don't know," Kubiak said. "I hate to answer that right now in the state of mind I'm in. So let's see what happens. I'll get back with you when I find out."

Williams, the top overall pick in the 2006 draft, moved from defensive end to linebacker this season in Houston's new 3-4 defense. He has five sacks and a forced fumble this season.

The 6-foot-6, 285-pound Williams has led the Texans in sacks in each of his five seasons. He was slowed by a sports hernia late last year and underwent offseason surgery.

Houston is already playing with star receiver Andre Johnson, who sat out Sunday's game with a right hamstring injury.

The Texans (3-2) play at Baltimore (3-1) in Week 6.
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This really sucks if true, and I have a bad feeling it probably is. Time for Brooks Reed to step his game up.
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How much do you think the salary cap is this year, and how much do you think Mario's contract is this year?
I've seen Mario's number between $14 and $16 million. The salary cap is less than $120 million this year if you remove the ability to borrow $3 million from next year's cap.
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Take a good luck at him leaving because this will be the last time we see him in a texans uniform!
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1. Brooks Reed better pay off right now. Time to earn his paycheck.
2. Kubiak's built in "injuries killed our chances" excuse is coming on strong.

Maybe Reed has what it takes to step up and whip some ass.
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1. Brooks Reed better pay off right now. Time to earn his paycheck.
2. Kubiak's built in "injuries killed our chances" excuse is coming on strong.

Maybe Reed has what it takes to step up and whip some ass.
Plus the lockout so surely he'll probably get a contract extension if anything.
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1. Brooks Reed better pay off right now. Time to earn his paycheck.
2. Kubiak's built in "injuries killed our chances" excuse is coming on strong.

Maybe Reed has what it takes to step up and whip some ass.
Normally I'm not a fan of that excuse, but when your #1 offensive and #1 defensive player are both out for extended periods of time (not to mention the #2 offensive player) it actually does become more valid.

We've been without our top talent all year. The "everythings shaping up for the Texans" season is becoming completely derailed by injuries
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Normally I'm not a fan of that excuse, but when your #1 offensive and #1 defensive player are both out for extended periods of time (not to mention the #2 offensive player) it actually does become more valid.

We've been without our top talent all year. The "everythings shaping up for the Texans" season is becoming completely derailed by injuries
We are always being derailed by something. No excuses this year, I don't care who is done for the season. We don't win - Kubiak needs to go. There are 53 other players on the team that need to step up an contribute.

Look at all the injuries the Packers had last year and where did they end up??
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