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Old 10-10-2011   #261
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I don't think his absence will effect the pass rush very much. However, it is going to hurt our rush defense. If A.Smith and Watt stay healthy and Mitchell can continue to improve, the hits on the QB will keep coming. Reed/Braman don't have to get sacks, they just have to hit that edge and force the QB forward into the pocket. They can do that. Also, Wade will be able to disguise the rush more with a true tweener on the weak side.

Key for the season: OTs stay healthy and AJ comes back very, very soon!

I think the Casey injury is just as big of an issue for the team. Hopefully, he's not gone for the season (no, that doesn't mean I think Casey is better than Mario).
WOW, just wow... I have seen some serious hating in my time, but you sir take the proverbial Hater Cake. Are you freaking kidding me that you honestly think the pass rush will not be effected by Mario's absence? Are you that totally blind and oblivious to how important Mario Williams is to this defense? Oh that's right, you are a stat monger just like allot of the "Arm Chair GMs" Let me explain a little sumptin, sumptin to you...

Now that Mario is out, guess who is going to be the MOST effected person on that line, and if you say Conner Barwin you should be banned from the message boards, that would be Antonio Smith. Why you ask, oh it is very simple, HE will be the one offensive coordinators key on to stop. Smith will be the one double and triple teamed in the trenches. He will become a ghost because Mario is not on the outside reeking havoc, allowing Smith to receive single coverage on the guards. Do you think OCs are game planning for Barwin, or Reed, or even Cody or Mitchell? No they will start to focus on Smith. Smith's job just got a hell of allot harder now that Mario is gone.

See weather you or any other stat monger wants to believe it or not, Mario Williams is a dominate force on the defense. He does allot more on the field than allot of people give him credit for, things that do not show up in the papers, like hitting a QBs arm to cause a INT or flushing out a QB so others can clean up. See I don't see those stats in your or anybody elses blogs. All I see is blinding hate for a kid you has done nothing but improved ever since he was taken in 06. They moved him to another position this year, and he was well on his way to double digit sacks and was absolutely disruptive in the backfield.

Since coming into the league in 06, not counting this year, Mario Williams has had more sacks than Dwight Freeney, same as Julius Peppers, and half a sack off from Mathis. Now of course Freeney and Mathis have greatly benefited from having Manning as the QB and playing from ahead, but the stats still remain, being you are a stat monger...

so to think that anybody else on that defense or on the team would have a more significant impact because of their absence than Mario, not named Matt Schaub or Andre Johnson, is just simply asinine....
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Kubiak - SIX SEASONS - BARELY SNIFFING .500

Jim Schwarz - Only TWO SEASONS - Going to 5-0, and beating
the shit out of a top division rival, winning 3 on the road.

Kubiak does NOTHING to merit EXCUSES.
Man it's hard not to be envious of the lions right now.
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No doubt this is a major loss. He was our best pass rusher, good against the run, and moving him around gave opposing QB's one more thing to think about before every snap.

On the other hand, our defense is much better this season than it ever has been in the Kubiak era, and that's thanks to Wade. Seeing as we still have Wade on our sideline, we're still going to pressure the quarterback and play solid defense, with or without Mario. Major suck, yes, panic time, no.

Time to see if Brooks Reed can turn potential into results after being eased in over the past 4 weeks.
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Kubiak - SIX SEASONS - BARELY SNIFFING .500

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the shit out of a top division rival, winning 3 on the road.

Kubiak does NOTHING to merit EXCUSES.
and having top 3 picks for what 3 out of the last 5 years has nothing to do with that?

Not excusing Kubiak but comparing him to Schwarz is not the same. The Lions had to absolutely suck for 5-6 years to get where they are now and get those great picks. Texans have just been mediocre....

Now if you want to compare Kubiak to Peyton and Mike McCarthy, both came in when Kubiak did and BOTH have SB rings, then I will totally agree....
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I know I originally said that Mario will probably come back the same from this injury, but do any of you think he might not? Dumerville hasn't looked the same since he tore his, he only has 4 tackles this year, after having like 17(?) sacks the year before the injury? Despite being a Titans fan I'm actually a Williams fan as well, I've liked him since you guys drafted him so I just wanted to know what you guys think.
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Wade deserves the benefit of the doubt. Without an offseason, he has turned this defense around.
I agree. Wade's got this.

Won't save the offense though.
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WOW, just wow... I have seen some serious hating in my time, but you sir take the proverbial Hater Cake. Are you freaking kidding me that you honestly think the pass rush will not be effected by Mario's absence? Are you that totally blind and oblivious to how important Mario Williams is to this defense? Oh that's right, you are a stat monger just like allot of the "Arm Chair GMs" Let me explain a little sumptin, sumptin to you...

Now that Mario is out, guess who is going to be the MOST effected person on that line, and if you say Conner Barwin you should be banned from the message boards, that would be Antonio Smith. Why you ask, oh it is very simple, HE will be the one offensive coordinators key on to stop. Smith will be the one double and triple teamed in the trenches. He will become a ghost because Mario is not on the outside reeking havoc, allowing Smith to receive single coverage on the guards. Do you think OCs are game planning for Barwin, or Reed, or even Cody or Mitchell? No they will start to focus on Smith. Smith's job just got a hell of allot harder now that Mario is gone.

See weather you or any other stat monger wants to believe it or not, Mario Williams is a dominate force on the defense. He does allot more on the field than allot of people give him credit for, things that do not show up in the papers, like hitting a QBs arm to cause a INT or flushing out a QB so others can clean up. See I don't see those stats in your or anybody elses blogs. All I see is blinding hate for a kid you has done nothing but improved ever since he was taken in 06. They moved him to another position this year, and he was well on his way to double digit sacks and was absolutely disruptive in the backfield.

Since coming into the league in 06, not counting this year, Mario Williams has had more sacks than Dwight Freeney, same as Julius Peppers, and half a sack off from Mathis. Now of course Freeney and Mathis have greatly benefited from having Manning as the QB and playing from ahead, but the stats still remain, being you are a stat monger...

so to think that anybody else on that defense or on the team would have a more significant impact because of their absence than Mario, not named Matt Schaub or Andre Johnson, is just simply asinine....
Wow just wow is right. You are in a dreamworld. You talk about Mario like he was Lawrence freaking Taylor and Reggie White all rolled up into one super player. I mean if anyone says anything critical of Mario in the least bit you guys go off like someone just insulted your mother.

I'm just wondering what you all are going to be saying If there is no drop off or the D actually improves without Mario. You'll probably give Mario the credit for being on the sidelines and keeping the team pumped up.
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Not excusing Kubiak but comparing him to Schwarz is not the same. The Lions had to absolutely suck for 5-6 years to get where they are now and get those great picks. Texans have just been mediocre....
Nope, it really is an excuse. In fact, ladies & gentlemen, a new excuse. The Texans haven't sucked hard enough. Guess those meaningless late season win streaks worked against the Texans (but worked for Kubiak).

I like this one better than the hurricane Ike excuse. More football related. Plus, I can bash Kubiak for winning, as well as losing.
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Nope, it really is an excuse. In fact, ladies & gentlemen, a new excuse. The Texans haven't sucked hard enough. Guess those meaningless late season win streaks worked against the Texans (but worked for Kubiak).

I like this one better than the hurricane Ike excuse. More football related. Plus, I can bash Kubiak for winning, as well as losing.
Man, don't get me going on Excuse Number 3,931: Hurricane Ike.

We drove that excuse INTO THE GROUND for about two years.
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Nope, it really is an excuse. In fact, ladies & gentlemen, a new excuse. The Texans haven't sucked hard enough. Guess those meaningless late season win streaks worked against the Texans (but worked for Kubiak).

I like this one better than the hurricane Ike excuse. More football related. Plus, I can bash Kubiak for winning, as well as losing.
Man, this one might be the best one we've heard yet Lucky. Lol! We didn't suck bad enough to get all of those top ten picks and the Lions actually gained an advantage. Gotta love the comedy of this board sometimes.
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Man, this one might be the best one we've heard yet Lucky. Lol! We didn't suck bad enough to get all of those top ten picks and the Lions actually gained an advantage. Gotta love the comedy of this board sometimes.
Tex,

The irony is, as someone who follows the Lions (since I'm from there), they did ZERO with all those great picks. That's why Matt Millen was considered such a massive failure. They had top 10 picks for about a decade, and did nothing with them. Nada. Zilch.

The current Lions are the Houston Oilers legacy continued. Jim Schwartz was taught that big, smash mouth defense is what wins, and that's what he did with free agency and draft picks.
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Tex,

The irony is, as someone who follows the Lions (since I'm from there), they did ZERO with all those great picks. That's why Matt Millen was considered such a massive failure. They had top 10 picks for about a decade, and did nothing with them. Nada. Zilch.

The current Lions are the Houston Oilers legacy continued. Jim Schwartz was taught that big, smash mouth defense is what wins, and that's what he did with free agency and draft picks.
When he said three of the last five, I thought he was talking about Calvin Johnson, Matthew Stafford, & Ndamakonadffa Suh....

just guessing.
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and having top 3 picks for what 3 out of the last 5 years has nothing to do with that?

Not excusing Kubiak but comparing him to Schwarz is not the same. The Lions had to absolutely suck for 5-6 years to get where they are now and get those great picks. Texans have just been mediocre....

Now if you want to compare Kubiak to Peyton and Mike McCarthy, both came in when Kubiak did and BOTH have SB rings, then I will totally agree....
They made the right selections with those picks.
Johnson, Stafford, Suh in CONSECUTIVE DRAFTS.

Having a top pick ain't enough. It's what
you DO with it. No more excuses for Kubiak, please.

Didn't the Texans pass over Patrick Willis, Marshawn Lynch,
Darrelle Revis, Michael Griffin, Dwayne Bowe, Brandon Meriweather,
and Sidney Rice to take Amobi Okoye with the TENTH OVERALL
PICK in 2007? 'Nuff said.

The Texans have playoff level talent RIGHT NOW, and have for MORE THAN
3 SEASONS. It takes a coach to make those ingredients come together to
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They made the right selections with those picks.
Johnson, Stafford, Suh in CONSECUTIVE DRAFTS.

Having a top pick ain't enough. It's what
you DO with it. No more excuses for Kubiak, please.

Didn't the Texans pass over Patrick Willis, Marshawn Lynch,
Darrelle Revis, Michael Griffin, Dwayne Bowe, Brandon Meriweather,
and Sidney Rice to take Amobi Okoye with the TENTH OVERALL
PICK in 2007? 'Nuff said.

The Texans have playoff level talent RIGHT NOW, and have for MORE THAN
3 SEASONS. It takes a coach to make those ingredients come together to
form a WINNER.
A-freakin'-men! There is ZERO room for excuses. Hell, this man right here has been saying this for years, and he's been so right, but some Texans fans couldn't recognize their own hand 6 inches from their face. If we're gonna whine that the Texans were only mediocre enough to secure a top 10 pick, lets remember what they did with it. Gary Kubiak and Rick Smith were only good enough to bring this franchise just a slight tick up from incompetent to mediocre. Some Sundays Gary likes to remind us all had bad things used to be by letting the team fall apart. Oh wait, most Sundays.
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How many of these "success" qualities do you see in Kubiak the coach?

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Caller on 790....

Mario got hurt because he was playing out of position....



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This sucks big donkey balls but the mario nutt huggers on here are ridiculous. He was playing the run really well but despite his sack number he wasn't killing it in the pass rush department. And he was not our best or most important defensive player. Does it suck he's hurt? He'll yes! But the hype over this is as overblown as his pass rush skills.

Wonder if we are considering signing what's his name that had a tryout recently. You know the guy the jets cut? Blanking on his name for some reason.
I'm telling you man, this hurts a bit more than you think. I will say at least you didn't post a list of the 45 guys more important. We just agree to disagree. Most of my posts are aimed at Dale, because he is freaking delusional when it comes to this topic.

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Could u image Mario in a packers Uni or even a steeler !!!!!!!!!! that would be scary
I almost wish it would happen. I bet people would feel warm and fuzzy if Mario was in Green Bay and getting DMVP trophys. We have so many people who refuse to believe that he is a good player.

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Wow just wow is right. You are in a dreamworld. You talk about Mario like he was Lawrence freaking Taylor and Reggie White all rolled up into one super player. I mean if anyone says anything critical of Mario in the least bit you guys go off like someone just insulted your mother.

I'm just wondering what you all are going to be saying If there is no drop off or the D actually improves without Mario. You'll probably give Mario the credit for being on the sidelines and keeping the team pumped up.
If there is no drop off, then I will be the first to say that they should tag him and then traade him. I don't think I will be saying that though. This isn't losing a special teamer or a role player. This is losing one of the teams focal points of the defense. He is a complete package DE/OLB. One of the better pass rushers who is lock down on the run. Reed is...not ready.
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They made the right selections with those picks.
Johnson, Stafford, Suh in CONSECUTIVE DRAFTS.

Having a top pick ain't enough. It's what
you DO with it. No more excuses for Kubiak, please.

Didn't the Texans pass over Patrick Willis, Marshawn Lynch,
Darrelle Revis, Michael Griffin, Dwayne Bowe, Brandon Meriweather,
and Sidney Rice to take Amobi Okoye with the TENTH OVERALL
PICK in 2007? 'Nuff said.


The Texans have playoff level talent RIGHT NOW, and have for MORE THAN
3 SEASONS. It takes a coach to make those ingredients come together to
form a WINNER.
Gotta agree with that. It's an "OUCH!!!"er and I was just screaming for Revis at the time.
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15 teams passed on Jerry Rice.

Every team passed on John Randle, Warren Moon, Jeff Saturday, Nate Newton, Tony Romo, Priest Holmes, Antonio Gates, Cliff Harris, and "Night Train" Lane.
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15 teams passed on Jerry Rice.

Every team passed on John Randle, Warren Moon, Jeff Saturday, Nate Newton, Tony Romo, Priest Holmes, Antonio Gates, Cliff Harris, and "Night Train" Lane.
I think every team passed on Joe Montana and Tom Brady - several times.
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