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Old 10-08-2011   #21
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The headline reads: 'NFL stat shows Texans QB Schaub steps up in clutch.'

The problem with that headline is that the 'NFL stats' it refers to doesn't show anything about 'clutch' (as in 4th quarter crunch time).

But don't shoot the messenger (McClain) or his headline writer. They're just passing along info from a league's 'AFC News 'N Notes' release earlier this week which stated, in part:


"A constant in winning close games in the NFL? Quality play at quarterback when the game is on the line."

“Late in the game, the quarterback has to keep his smarts and poise during tough situations and exude confidence,” says former NFL head coach and NFL Network analyst Steve Mariucci. “He has to be mentally tough and demand the same from his teammates.”
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Those 2nd rounders we gave up for Schaub were SO worth it. Schaub is great in Kubiaks system. We are lucky to have him.
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It's been awhile since I posted, so let me start with my disclaimer concerning Schaub: I'm a UVA alum who's been following Schaub since he started his first game for the Hoos in 2001. So I'm not an unbiased source.

Back in the early days of Matt's time here, there were many debates about whether he was a "clutch" QB, so I dug up this stat from late in his second season (2008) after Schaub and the Texans beat Aaron Rodgers' Packers in Lambeau:

On 11 occasions with Schaub as QB, the Texans have started a possession in the fourth quarter either tied or trailing by 7 points or less. Schaub led the team on a scoring drive to either tie the game or take the lead in 8 of those 11 possessions. The only times he didn't were: (1) 2007 at Cleveland in the first possession of the fourth quarter when the Texans were down 17-10, (2) first possession of the fourth quarter in 2008 against Miami when we were down 21-20, (3) the 2008 Green Bay game when we got the ball back after GB tied the game at 21. So, two of those three failed drives were followed by even-later game heroics to pull out the win.

Since that game, Schaub has led the Texans to a number of fingernail-biting wins and has had some bad moments in tight situations. While I've made no effort to try to see where Schaub's "clutch situation" stats measure up against other QBs, my guess is that he's easily in the upper half of the league, though probably below the truly elite guys (Rodgers, Peyton, Brady, Brees).
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schaub being clutch is like saying VY has a winning record as a starter. we will see what schaub can do the next three games without AJ, vs a solid oakland team, then going to balt, then a game for possibly a tie breaker vs the titans. not sold on the dude when it matters cause when he has he won THAT game.
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schaub being clutch is like saying VY has a winning record as a starter. we will see what schaub can do the next three games without AJ, vs a solid oakland team, then going to balt, then a game for possibly a tie breaker vs the titans. not sold on the dude when it matters cause when he has he won THAT game.
when you have to be clutch 4 times in most of these "clutch" games because ur D turns around and gives up a TD in less than a minute but you still brought ur team back for the lead 3 times, BUT then on that last one you cant, is that really schaubs fault. Look at him against the saints, how many times did he march us down the field to take the lead ??? The guy is good. A better D and people will def say he's clutch.
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when you have to be clutch 4 times in most of these "clutch" games because ur D turns around and gives up a TD in less than a minute but you still brought ur team back for the lead 3 times, BUT then on that last one you cant, is that really schaubs fault. Look at him against the saints, how many times did he march us down the field to take the lead ??? The guy is good. A better D and people will def say he's clutch.
Except the last drive when it was clutch. Look I like Schaub and I am happy that he is here in Houston. But lets not crown him "king of clutch". If I could pick a qb to lead a final 2 minute drive to win a game with a td Schaub doesn't top my list. Not saying he doesn't or can't do it.

As far as the defense goes I said when Bob McNair kept Kubiak that the only way this team will win a championship is if Philips can build an elite defense. That is what it will take to overcome Kubiak's head coaching blunders. He is just cut out to be an offensive cordinator imho. Same with Philips. Only cut out to be an defensive cordinator. Nothing wrong with that because he is a damn good one.

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Schaub and the offense drove us back into the lead late in so many games last year only for the defense to have a game ending epic fail or give the lead right back where Schaub had to do it all over again.
Yep, and all of that comeback experience will come in handy this season.
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These statistics articulate what I have been trying to say on here for two years. Because Matt doesn't look pi#%ed off, because he doesn't throw chairs, casual fans feel Matt is not a clutch performer. Yet time after time he did more than his part. I had never seen a more pathetic clutch defense at any level.
If the defense keeps up its current performance, the Texans will figure prominently in the determination of the NFL Championship this year - and in the next few years.
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Except the last drive when it was clutch. Look I like Schaub and I am happy that he is here in Houston. But lets not crown him "king of clutch". If I could pick a qb to lead a final 2 minute drive to win a game with a td Schaub doesn't top my list. Not saying he doesn't or can't do it.
The problem with last year and that Saints game is that the "last drive" never ends. We had the lead, the defense blew it, Schaub brought us back on the "last drive", THEN the defense blew it again, and Schaub had to do another "last drive".
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when you have to be clutch 4 times in most of these "clutch" games because ur D turns around and gives up a TD in less than a minute but you still brought ur team back for the lead 3 times, BUT then on that last one you cant, is that really schaubs fault. Look at him against the saints, how many times did he march us down the field to take the lead ??? The guy is good. A better D and people will def say he's clutch.
Clutch is the 3 & out to start the 4th Qtr. Clutch is the INT 54 seconds into the second drive. Clutch is the Texans final possession, incomplete, incomplete/penalty, sack, incomplete.......

Brees was clutch.... no matter what his defense did.

Manning never used the D as a crutch.. they never stopped him until they got to the play-offs, when it mattered. Being Clutch against the 3-13 Kansas City Chiefs isn't really "clutch"

You can't be clutch, when it doesn't matter. You can't be clutch in games that doesn't matter. If you're clutch & those games get you somewhere...... then you're clutch. If those games got you to 9-7...... you're not.. not really.

Let's see how Brady responds with a bad defense. Lets see if he gets his team to 9-7, or if he gets them to the play-offs. Lets see how "clutch" Brady is....

Or we can just look at the arbitrary 8 minute stat.....

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I would like to see more of the 2 minute O. From say....the 2nd play of the game. Our attack would be even better of we didn't give the other guys time to substitute and catch a breather. I very much hope we try this approach next week against the Ravens. Schaub is gonna need every edge he can get. TOP would suffer, but at least our QB wouldn't.
The problem with that is that we change our personnel on nearly every play. We go from 3 TEs to 3 WRs on nearly every set of 3 downs.

I agree that it would give us a nice rhythm and force defenses on their heels early
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Player	        Comp.	Att.	Yards	TD	INT Passer rating
Matt Schaub	737	1,108	9,103	52	22      99.1
Drew Brees	853	1,247	9,306	61	32	95.8
Aaron Rodgers	539	838	6,639	39	18      95.3
Eli Manning	519	835	6,203	46	17	94.7
Philip Rivers	713	1,119	9,016	54	34      92.2
Here is the top 5 for comparison.
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Clutch is the 3 & out to start the 4th Qtr. Clutch is the INT 54 seconds into the second drive. Clutch is the Texans final possession, incomplete, incomplete/penalty, sack, incomplete.......

Brees was clutch.... no matter what his defense did.

Manning never used the D as a crutch.. they never stopped him until they got to the play-offs, when it mattered. Being Clutch against the 3-13 Kansas City Chiefs isn't really "clutch"

You can't be clutch, when it doesn't matter. You can't be clutch in games that doesn't matter. If you're clutch & those games get you somewhere...... then you're clutch. If those games got you to 9-7...... you're not.. not really.

Let's see how Brady responds with a bad defense. Lets see if he gets his team to 9-7, or if he gets them to the play-offs. Lets see how "clutch" Brady is....

Or we can just look at the arbitrary 8 minute stat.....

I respect your opinions, Thunder.....But the difference is when the Saints lose due to Brees' error, or when Brady fails (last week), they are not labelled as "non-clutch". If the Texans put a good (not great) defense on the field they can beat anyone. I submit the defense played against Brees in this year's loss was not good, but horrific. I love Brees - always have - but the recievers he was throwing to in the second half were WIDE open. The Saints defense stepped it up in the second half.

I am pretty excited in that I believe the defense WILL play at least "good' not only in the game today but for the rest of the year.
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Except the last drive when it was clutch. Look I like Schaub and I am happy that he is here in Houston. But lets not crown him "king of clutch". If I could pick a qb to lead a final 2 minute drive to win a game with a td Schaub doesn't top my list. Not saying he doesn't or can't do it.

As far as the defense goes I said when Bob McNair kept Kubiak that the only way this team will win a championship is if Philips can build an elite defense. That is what it will take to overcome Kubiak's head coaching blunders. He is just cut out to be an offensive cordinator imho. Same with Philips. Only cut out to be an defensive cordinator. Nothing wrong with that because he is a damn good one.
If the Had not let the saints score with under 3 mins left then that drive would of been considered clutch. But you dont look at that because we are down AGAIN after Schaub marched us down the field and we scored. So then he looks like a failure and that is all on the shoulders of the defense
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You still don't get what I am saying. Clutch is driving your team down the field for a td in the last 2 minutes when it is do or die. Schaub is more than capable on the other side of the final 2 minutes. Even having to drive for a field goal is less pressure than a game winning td. Inside the final 2 minutes with the game on the line needing a td is where a "clutch" qb resides. The stats used for clutch in this thread is not a very good way to judge a clutch qb imho.
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No it isn't. Schaub has been clutch. People around here like to piss and moan and denigrate everything about the Texans because they aren't happy with the overall result (and we shouldn't be happy with the overall result). It has been patently obvious to anyone with a TV who is willing to put aside their agenda that Schaub has been very good late in games. Have there been mistakes? - you betcha. But watch the other teams and you find mistakes as well. That is what always baffles me. People judging the Texans up against some mythological perfect standard and ignoring the rest of the NFL, i.e. NFL reality.
I'll actually agree with this. I didn't think he was really clutch in his first 3 seasons here, but I think he has done a lot in the past two seasons in games to dispell that notion. There have been a lot of other players on offense and defense that have killed games for the Texans, but Schaub has led a lot of late game drives and scores to get the Texans back into the game to be able to win it. I wouldn't call him some big time clutch guy, but I wouldn't call him a "clutchless" player either. He has proven that he is fully capable of making big plays down the stretch of a close game though. I think he has proven enough for people to have confidence in him late in games. The fact of the matter though is that it shouldn't be all on Schaub to pull out clutch wins all of the time when we win games. Schaub should have more game situations where all he has to do is manage the game down the stretch instead of having to be the guy that puts the team on his back and carries them to victory. No QB should constantly have that onus on them, and there are very few that could actually be that consistent to always be the big hero in those situations.
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