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Old 04-24-2005   #1
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Question What rookie's will actually make the team?

Which rookies do you guys think will actually make the final roster this season? I know its early but im guessing our first 5 picks will make it. The safety we got has great size and speed but do we really wanna spend money and time grooming him? I think our first three picks are nearly locks. Mathis may be raw but he has so much potential i dont think you can pass on him and i think he may be the most underrated wr in the draft (maybe the UAB wr was a bit more of a steal). I think the o-lineman in the 5th will make the team by default since we are horrible on the o-line.
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I say everyone but Pettway.

my draft grade:


Overall: B-

Travis Johnson: A- "We are upgrading the speed of our defense, and trying to generate a pass rush, that is why this pick gets an A-. We needed a young talented Dlineman to start working with. Walker and Payne are both up in years and getting injury prone. They are making alot of money and most likely will not be around in a season or two. Travis Johnson looks like he can be a two cap tackle with a bit of practice, and with his speed and athletic ability, could possibly be very good at collapsing the pocket and flushing out the QB for our OLBs. I would give this pick an A+ but he has had some injury issues and could POSSIBLY have some attitude issues. However, I think he will be a future starter for us and has the potential to be a playmaker in the front seven. "

Vernand Morency: C- "We needed depth at RB, that is a given. Hollings is NOT showing anything to make me beleive he will work out for us, and while I personally think Wells is a good 2nd string RB and change of pace back, the coaches obviously dont. Morency provides a bit of speed (according to those "in the know") as well as some of the shiftyness that is DD's staple. However, again, there are attitude issues, and he is another small back that is very DD like. A change of pace, by definition, is something that is different from the norm.. DD is the norm, and Morency isnt very different. Additionally, a big back that can pound the ball would have been better able to take advantage of a tired defense in the 3rd and 4th quarter.. or.. possibly help to tire the defense out in the 1st and 2nd so that DD could take advantage of it in the 3rd and 4th. Morency could possibly be a good RB for us, but he could just as easily share the same reliability issues that DD has."

Jerome Mathis: C- "Well we did need a young WR to give us the speed and big play ability opposite of Andre Johnson, but is this really the guy? at 5'11", 181lbs I doubt he is the kind of WR who is gonna jump up and TAKE the ball from the CB. More than likely he will depend on his speed to distance himself and make the catch in the open field. Another knock against him is his hands. He doesnt catch the ball with his hands, but instead uses his chest to "Cradle" the ball. How long will it take him to be able to catch one of Carr's rockets on the fly? The good news is that he may not be our future #2 guy. it is entirely possible that we could make Gaffney or Armstrong our #2, and bring out Mathis on passing downs to give us that deep threat. Either way, this is not the kind of impact player I would expect to make a big difference on our Offense."

Drew Hodgdon: A- "One of our better picks. Hodgdon looks to be a very promising Center or Guard for us. He has good size (despite what the scout reports say) and actually seems to have all the agility and ability in open space that you would want from an interior lineman in a zone blocking scheme. If you look at the Denver Oline, many of their linemen are SMALLER than Hodgdon, but seem to posses those same characteristics that he does. The biggest concerns listed for him seem to be his lower body strength, our weight training program will cure that quickly. He could be getting reps for us as soon as the middle of next season I think. Either way, this was a good pick to get an interior lineman to groom for the future."

C.C. Brown: B- "Looks like he could come in and be an immediate impact on special teams with his athletic ability. at 6'0" 206, with a 4.46 40, I am thinking this could possibly be our FS of the future. We are, obviously, looking to replace our old expansion draft veterans with youthful player of our own choosing, and CC looks like he fits the "speed requirements" of our defense perfectly. However, he is very much a small school prospect, and will likely need AT LEAST a couple seasons before he can do anything more than special teams. "

Kenneth Pettway: D+ "It seems that our F.O. enjoyed picking Babin last year and decided to scout the small schools ALOT this year. To their credit though, they seem to have found some nice prospects. But im not sure this is one of them, and I am not sure what we plan on doing with this guy. At 236 pounds, he is not an OLB, and judging by his workout numbers he is a workout warrior so adding weight to him probably isnt an option. Chances are, he is an ILB.. but he apparently has not much experience in coverage and looks uncomfortable dropping into coverage. If I had to put money on one of our draft picks not making the team.. it would be this guy. I sure hope im wrong though"



I see 3 starters coming out of this draft. Johnson, Hodgdon, and C.C. Brown. I see 2 depth players in Jerome Mathis and Vernand Morency. and I see 1 bust in Pettway. Looking at our past drafts.. 3 starters is the Norm.. so, this draft would be no better or worse than any past draft we have had. I guess that my score of 81(B-) fits then.
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and I see 1 bust in Pettway. Looking at our past drafts..
How is a 7th round pick a bust?????
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anyone who doesnt make the team is a bust.. some busts are just worse than others. you expect most 7th rounders to be busts.
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we should have taken wikerson
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...Jerome Mathis: C- ...
His skills as a receiver will be secondary to start camp. His immediate impact will be as a kickoff returner and maybe as a punt returner. Just for this he should have a grade of B+. The reason it is not an A+ is because of his small school experience.

As far as I'm concerned, this player will have much of my attention at camp. He is the fastest receiver in this year's draft, has decent size and if he can run under Carr's deep throws and hold onto the ball he could prove to be an ideal deep threat opposite AJ.
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...Drew Hodgdon: A- ...
Too high! Our center makes the OL calls; he will not start until he shows he can handle this responsibility. His shotgun snaps are also extremely erratic. He does not have a strong hand punch. He overextends, gets off balance and is over-powered in pass protection. Bottom line is that he is a project.
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Jerome Mathis: C- "Well we did need a young WR to give us the speed and big play ability opposite of Andre Johnson, but is this really the guy? at 5'11", 181lbs I doubt he is the kind of WR who is gonna jump up and TAKE the ball from the CB. More than likely he will depend on his speed to distance himself and make the catch in the open field. Another knock against him is his hands. He doesnt catch the ball with his hands, but instead uses his chest to "Cradle" the ball. How long will it take him to be able to catch one of Carr's rockets on the fly? The good news is that he may not be our future #2 guy. it is entirely possible that we could make Gaffney or Armstrong our #2, and bring out Mathis on passing downs to give us that deep threat. Either way, this is not the kind of impact player I would expect to make a big difference on our Offense."


how do you give mathis a c-? give me what you're smoking please. 5'11 isn't exactly small for a WR. sure he's on the smaller side but its rare you find a tall, fast reciever. and no he's isn't the guy we're gonna throw up a ball to. that's what AJ is for. this guy will burn defenders and stretch the field, thats what his job is. when we're in the redzone, it's all AJ.
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when we're in the redzone, it's all AJ.
...and hopefully Joppru too.
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Mathis' C- comes from... basicly everything I said. Small, raw, doesnt have good hands. Dont get me wrong, im excited to have the guy, but I give him a C- till I can see if he has more than speed going for him.

As for his biggest impact coming on kick returns.. thats fine.. and it will be good to have him and Buchanan taking care of that.. but we have already have a bad receiver returning kicks for us :P.. are we replacing him with a faster version? if so.. a C- seems good to me.

As for the A- on Drew Hodgdon.. he looks like a good project to me. he seems to have the intangibles.. the only thing he is lacking is polish and some muscle mass. Saying he could start for us by the middle of next season is a bit of a stretch .. but I think by next year he could get thrown in the fire. Then again.. considering how Seth Wand fared when we did that to him, we may decide to wait two seasons.

I hope these all turn out to be A+'s by the end of the year .. but this is my first impression.
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I'll hold off judgement on who makes the team until I see how they play during the preseason...The only "lock" to make it is Johnson...
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Vernand Morrency, a C-?

Do You know how many yards he had for OSU???
He had more yards than Domanick Davis!
Oh, and two years ago in one game when he was a backup, and Tatum Bell was hurt, he had 1,000 yards!!! You might want to rethink that grade!
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Morrency got a C- because:

A) hes 25 years old.. that is OLD for a rookie at RB.

B) he has not been a steady starter.. he is raw.

C) He is a DD clone.. with POSSIBLY a little more speed.


It seems an illogical selection to me. Hopefully he will be a DD clone.. but with better durability.
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