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Old 11-01-2011   #341
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MODS, it would probably be easier to follow AJ's progress if this thread were merged with the AJ OUT FOR A FEW WEEKS, HAS PROCEDURE. Thanks.
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Thunderkyss gave you a start. I'll try to narrow it down. If you read my posts listed below, you ought understand my line of thinking/analysis of the situation.

From the AJ OUT FOR A FEW WEEKS, HAS PROCEDURE thread:

Look at posts #24, 37 (ignore PCL comments), 270, 273 and 329.


From the CASEY AND AJ WILL PRACTICE THIS WEEK thread:

Look at posts #41 and 58.

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Not surprising at all.

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wow, has anyone else in sports had a similar procedure?
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If our training/medical staff recommended something like this to AJ to shave a few weeks off his healing time and it ends up jacking up his career for life I would expect some heads to roll ASAP.

I mean AJ just wants to win.. I am sure if someone told him this procedure was safe he would accept it.
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Oh yeah I was meaning to ask also CND, is there any long term side effects of having this procedure done, I mean in 20 years is this going to be detrimental to his health as opposed to letting it heal naturally?
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wow, has anyone else in sports had a similar procedure?
This is a case where a procedure completes the rupture of a partial tear. The reported experience of sports related complete rupture (which would be close to the equivalent of surgically releasing the hamstring) carries with it a 10+ week recovery if left unrepaired......... if this approach does not fail and requires surgery. It therefore surprises me to think that a "short" recovery was so optimistically and, in my opinion, unrealistically expected to occur.

There is only one case in the orthopedic literature (2006) of this tendon having been surgically released after failed conservative treatment. This was described as "successful," but I could not find if this was in an athlete (especially an elite) or not, or what really defined "successful" or the actual length of "successful" recovery.
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If our training/medical staff recommended something like this to AJ to shave a few weeks off his healing time and it ends up jacking up his career for life I would expect some heads to roll ASAP.

I mean AJ just wants to win.. I am sure if someone told him this procedure was safe he would accept it.
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Oh yeah I was meaning to ask also CND, is there any long term side effects of having this procedure done, I mean in 20 years is this going to be detrimental to his health as opposed to letting it heal naturally?
If you or I had this procedure done, following the normal healing process, there would be no truly noticeable difference in our everyday activities or in an ordinary "pick up" sports competition. When AJ's professional carrier has ended, it is unlikely that this procedure will have left him with any notable deficits.
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Thanks for the info again. I don't want any player to have to deal with long term injuries but with AJ it seems more personal to me I guess since he is going to probably give his entire career to Houston and hes done it with nothing but greatness in every area of his life here. Sounds silly I guess but hey hes earned my respect plus some.
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If our training/medical staff recommended something like this to AJ to shave a few weeks off his healing time and it ends up jacking up his career for life I would expect some heads to roll ASAP.

I mean AJ just wants to win.. I am sure if someone told him this procedure was safe he would accept it.
I'm sure AJ was given all the options and had the final say. He's 30 and been in the league 9 years. He may be looking at this as his only chance to help the team get into the playoffs. He may have decided to roll the dice now and go for it, with the option of having further surgery in the off season, rather that have the repair surgery now and not be able to come back at all this season. It's a tough call either way for him and a tough break for the premier WR in the NFL. I hope he makes it back all the way and we give him a run for the Superbowl! He deserves it!
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I don't understand.

I mean, I understand the bit about doing this procedure to "shave a few weeks off the healing time" and all that ...... but what good is it going to do if can no longer get separation from his defenders?

And is that the standard he's using when he says "I'm not playing until I feel 100%"???

Might as well just IR him. I mean .. God damn!
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AJ at 80% is still better than 95% of WRs in the NFL...IMO, of course.
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Is it going too far to be scared that he has permanently lost his elite acceleration?
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As long as it doesn't effect his play in 2012, I'm OK with it. All that matters is that he will be able to come back to 100% by next August. It would be great to have him back this year, but I don't want to see his career jeopardized over this. Do the right thing and think of the future, not one year's playoffs.
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This is depressing me. Schaub never usually completes a pass like that like the one that AJ caught that turned into the injury, just all sorts of flukiness going around.
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This is depressing me. Schaub never usually completes a pass like that like the one that AJ caught that turned into the injury, just all sorts of flukiness going around.
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AJ at 80% is still better than 95% of WRs in the NFL...IMO, of course.
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AJ at 80% is still better than 95% of WRs in the NFL...IMO, of course.
DB, that may or may not be true depending on what the 20% deficit reflects. If explosiveness/acceleration is as big of an advantage he has had over other WRs, and this is where most of his deficit is felt, he may not necessarily come out better than 95% of WRs. In the elite WR, small factors can affect performance rankings.

AJ has stated that he feels "70%." But, keep in mind that players have been shown to consistently overestimate their status in the rehab process compared to electro-mechanical instrument-measurable determinants.
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Is it going too far to be scared that he has permanently lost his elite acceleration?
We probably won't have the final answer to the question of his "elite acceleration" until next year. Meanwhile to answer YOUR question.........it isn't going too far to be at least concerned about the ultimate outcome of untested waters.
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Geez CND, Halloween was yesterday theres no need to scare the shit out of me today.
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I can understand why the team wanted to do this, considering the timing of the injury...right after the team handled the Steelers easily enough, a Steelers team that turns out to be pretty good btw.

That this team was pretty good and a contender it could have became (although I think that all goes out the window when Mario got hurt)

As far as his explosiveness. Andre is such a talented WR he doesn't need elite speed to get past his guys. He's more physical than any WR in the NFL and his route running. He can still be a top 10 WR at least, I guess we are just going to have to see.
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