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Old 10-18-2011   #321
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heh-heh.... I thought your reply was kind of tongue in cheek myself.

I find that this --><-- helps.
I was trying to go for brevity, since I'm told I am too lengthy in my posts.

I suppose I should have been more detailed in what I was saying to him. All I meant, and I am 100% honest when I say this here, is that at least Vinny has the 9ers to look forward to this season.

I can't win for losin'.....no wonder I like this Texans team so much.
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I was trying to go for brevity, since I'm told I am too lengthy in my posts.

I suppose I should have been more detailed in what I was saying to him. All I meant, and I am 100% honest when I say this here, is that at least Vinny has the 9ers to look forward to this season.

I can't win for losin'.....no wonder I like this Texans team so much.
ok gp, I forgive you. I won't repnazi you anymore. I've had too much coffee, so throw the flag and back me up 15 yards...for another Texan first down! (and 25 yards to go).
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ok gp, I forgive you. I won't repnazi you anymore. I've had too much coffee, so throw the flag and back me up 15 yards...for another Texan first down! (and 25 yards to go).
LOL. Man, I couldn't neg rep you because I knew that once I had a chance to speak with you that it would be OK between us. I sent you positive rep to show you, sincerely, that I was not attacking you at all.

Just glad to know we're good to go.

The neg rep makes no dent in my overall points standing. I can go on a Texans-style losing streak in rep points and still make the playoffs with ease. Can't say the same for the Texans, though. Ugggh.

All is well. Thank you, Vinny.
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Brevity is the soul of wit, but there is no need for a witty party.
LOL. Just wanted to say that you've only got a few posts here, but I like your contributions so far.

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Any chance of a realistic return this week?


Since we figured out a way to win without him yesterday, i bet Gary wants to hold him out 1 or 2 more weeks.
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Any chance of a realistic return this week?


Since we figured out a way to win without him yesterday, i bet Gary wants to hold him out 1 or 2 more weeks.
If he holds him out, it will be more because of the level of competition.

Tampa Bay, Atlanta, Cincy... we should be fine as long as we get him for that stretch.

100% healthy is extremely important for the Post season.
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Andre Johnson (hamstring, out) acknowledged Friday that his surgically repaired hamstring is only at 70-75 percent.

It sounds like he may be questionable for Week 9. The Texans have a bye in Week 10. "I donít feel like Iím ready to play," Johnson conceded. "Iím not at full speed yet." A more optimistic coach Gary Kubiak called Johnson "real close" to playing in games. Jacoby Jones will get at least one more start. Oct 28 - 4:19 PM
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The pessimist in me has me wondering if we've seen the last of the AJ we remember. I've got this horrible feeling in the back of my mind that they thought this was going to help him and it hasn't (and possibly it's made his situation worse). I keep thinking of Tony Boselli and how the shoulder that ended his career wasn't the one he injured badly the last time he played but instead the other one where they went in to clean up some scar tissue, made a mistake, and effectively ended his career in the process. I keep thinking of Domanick Davis and how his knee surgery was supposed to improve his problem knee but instead we never saw him again.

Injuries scare me. Andre Johnson injuries terrify me beyond the capacity for rational thought.
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The pessimist in me has me wondering if we've seen the last of the AJ we remember. I've got this horrible feeling in the back of my mind that they thought this was going to help him and it hasn't (and possibly it's made his situation worse). I keep thinking of Tony Boselli and how the shoulder that ended his career wasn't the one he injured badly the last time he played but instead the other one where they went in to clean up some scar tissue, made a mistake, and effectively ended his career in the process. I keep thinking of Domanick Davis and how his knee surgery was supposed to improve his problem knee but instead we never saw him again.

Injuries scare me. Andre Johnson injuries terrify me beyond the capacity for rational thought.


Gonna pretend i didn't read this post so i don't go into manic depression.
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The pessimist in me has me wondering if we've seen the last of the AJ we remember. I've got this horrible feeling in the back of my mind that they thought this was going to help him and it hasn't (and possibly it's made his situation worse). I keep thinking of Tony Boselli and how the shoulder that ended his career wasn't the one he injured badly the last time he played but instead the other one where they went in to clean up some scar tissue, made a mistake, and effectively ended his career in the process. I keep thinking of Domanick Davis and how his knee surgery was supposed to improve his problem knee but instead we never saw him again.

Injuries scare me. Andre Johnson injuries terrify me beyond the capacity for rational thought.
Johnson is a beast. he will be fine !!!!
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Johnson is a beast. he will be fine !!!!
I agree...... I think everyone was saying that we should rest him until after the bye week anyway so that gives him almost 4 full weeks to still get back to full strength. The Tampa game is starting to look a lot less scary now so I think that game is one we should win even without AJ.
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I was listening to the radio bit by Dr. First and he said they clipped AJ's hamstring. I know it attaches in several places but he said that AJ may not have the same explosiveness and power he had before. Does that mean he may never get it back? Did we just sacrifice some of AJs power to try and get him back 2-3 weeks early? Really? CND if you read this please clarify that for me.

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That doesn't sound good at all. Sure hope AJ is the exception and can get back to his pre injury form.
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I don't care what others tell me. Returning to 100% is an impossibility after an injury like that. You're NEVER the same after surgery. Any kind of surgery. Period. Maybe close to what you were but never the "same".
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I was listening to the radio bit by Dr. First and he said they clipped AJ's hamstring. I know it attaches in several places but he said that AJ may not have the same explosiveness and power he had before. Does that mean he may never get it back? Did we just sacrifice some of AJs power to try and get him back 2-3 weeks early? Really? CND if you read this please clarify that for me.

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It was covered pretty thoroughly in this thread

Supposedly there was a partial tear in one of his tendons which attaches the lower part of his hamstring near his knee. Sounds as if there was a previous surgery that didn't heal 100%, from years back, causing scar tissue that bothered Aj for some time. Aj mentioned a lump in the back of his leg that had been bothering him.

Andre was given two options, to repair the tendon, which would mean 9 weeks or more of recovery, or to cut the tendon completely and be back in 3 to 4 weeks. Just like you & me, Andre could chose whichever procedure he wanted, whether the team pressured him one way or the other really doesn't matter, the decision was ultimately Aj's.

Without the tendon attached, Aj will most likely not have the explosiveness or burst he used to. Aj knew this before the decision was made.

However, it is possible that Aj can have another surgery after the season that should restore him closer to 100% by reattaching the tendon.

That's what I understand anyway.
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It was covered pretty thoroughly in this thread

Supposedly there was a partial tear in one of his tendons which attaches the lower part of his hamstring near his knee. Sounds as if there was a previous surgery that didn't heal 100%, from years back, causing scar tissue that bothered Aj for some time. Aj mentioned a lump in the back of his leg that had been bothering him.

Andre was given two options, to repair the tendon, which would mean 9 weeks or more of recovery, or to cut the tendon completely and be back in 3 to 4 weeks. Just like you & me, Andre could chose whichever procedure he wanted, whether the team pressured him one way or the other really doesn't matter, the decision was ultimately Aj's.

Without the tendon attached, Aj will most likely not have the explosiveness or burst he used to. Aj knew this before the decision was made.

However, it is possible that Aj can have another surgery after the season that should restore him closer to 100% by reattaching the tendon.

That's what I understand anyway.
Thanks for the summary man. I looked through that one and they were talking about some vudu platelet shit so I kind of stopped reading after that... decided I was better off asking someone who knew what they meant.

I don't understand because the non-surgical treatment was 8 weeks wasn't it?

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I was listening to the radio bit by Dr. First and he said they clipped AJ's hamstring. I know it attaches in several places but he said that AJ may not have the same explosiveness and power he had before. Does that mean he may never get it back? Did we just sacrifice some of AJs power to try and get him back 2-3 weeks early? Really? CND if you read this please clarify that for me.

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Thunderkyss gave you a start. I'll try to narrow it down. If you read my posts listed below, you ought understand my line of thinking/analysis of the situation.

From the AJ OUT FOR A FEW WEEKS, HAS PROCEDURE thread:

Look at posts #24, 37 (ignore PCL comments), 270, 273 and 329.


From the CASEY AND AJ WILL PRACTICE THIS WEEK thread:

Look at posts #41 and 58.

That should answer most of your questions.
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Thanks for the summary man. I looked through that one and they were talking about some vudu platelet shit so I kind of stopped reading after that... decided I was better off asking someone who knew what they meant.

I don't understand because the non-surgical treatment was 8 weeks wasn't it?

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The risk with this approach was that >40% of non-surgical treatment cases failed and required surgery anyway.

The repair of the tendon would probably require 2 months at least to return to play safely. But the decision was made to simply complete the rupture surgically, believing that it would be a shorter rehab because you wouldn't be concerned with a repair rupturing when trying to return to play. The problem is that the length of rehab with the release procedure has not been entirely and accurately defined in the medical literature, due to factors beyond a surgeon's control, like continued inflammation, scar tissue from the release procedure itself, infection, fluid collection in the area of release and continued long term pain. And this does not even address the morbidity of this procedure leaving that question of residual hamstring weakness and potential permanent partial loss of elite explosiveness.

A 2004 study [EDIT: among others; some have reported resulting knee instability] reported that testing hamstring strength at high degrees of flexion can demonstrate a significant deficit associated with the harvesting of hamstring tendon grafts (as in ACL repairs). In fact in the US, due to the morbidities to the donor site involved in the use of hamstring tendon grafts, the trend has been to instead use allografts (grafts from cadavers)

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