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Yeah, with any luck he's just held out one game and kicks ass in practice next game enough to go into Baltimore. Just having him in the game is critical. Would love to have him line up but not even thrown to that much.
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So if it never was a hamstring, then we're good right? When he comes back he'll be back 100%
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So if it never was a hamstring, then we're good right? When he comes back he'll be back 100%
Definitely sounds that way to me. I'm busy trying to trade for him in my leagues before the other owners figure it out.
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im glad to hear it from AJ, BUT he said he went down to be cautious cause he felt a little pain, TO ME he looked like he was in a lot of pain. I know i didnt imagine that, so i am still a bit confused, but i will believe AJ if he says it.
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Yeah, with any luck he's just held out one game and kicks ass in practice next game enough to go into Baltimore. Just having him in the game is critical. Would love to have him line up but not even thrown to that much.
I don't get this thinking. If he can't go full speed, it won't take the Ravens - especially with the defensive wisdom of Ed Reed and Ray Lewis watching to see how he performes - to note that AJ isn't the threat he would be if fully healed. The "fear factor" you're hoping AJ will bring will probably last the first 2 or 3 offensive series. By then, they'll have figured out AJ isn't on his "A-game" or that we're not coming his way too often.

Plus I'd rather have him as close to fully healed as possible. If that takes an extra week or two, so be it.

Finally, it's time for the rest of the offense to grow up and step up. I don't want to see them implode because one guy went down. They need to show that they can keep things rolling the right way until the big man returns. ...just like they did when Foster was out.
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I don't get this thinking. If he can't go full speed, it won't take the Ravens - especially with the defensive wisdom of Ed Reed and Ray Lewis watching to see how he performes - to note that AJ isn't the threat he would be if fully healed. The "fear factor" you're hoping AJ will bring will probably last the first 2 or 3 offensive series. By then, they'll have figured out AJ isn't on his "A-game" or that we're not coming his way too often.

Plus I'd rather have him as close to fully healed as possible. If that takes an extra week or two, so be it.

Finally, it's time for the rest of the offense to grow up and step up. I don't want to see them implode because one guy went down. They need to show that they can keep things rolling the right way until the big man returns. ...just like they did when Foster was out.

Agreed. I hate hamstring injuries because they can linger and linger and linger if not properly healed right. Keep him out until he is 110%. Losing one guy shouldn't stop this offense when you've got Foster at RB. The worst thing the Texans could do is to bring him back to early and then he's hurt off and on the rest of the season or only at like 80% the rest of the way. Plus, if we make the playoffs, I want a fully healthy AJ for that run.
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Well yeah, but it's not just "one guy" down. It's the best receiver in the league and the best player in franchise history in his prime.
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im glad to hear it from AJ, BUT he said he went down to be cautious cause he felt a little pain, TO ME he looked like he was in a lot of pain. I know i didnt imagine that, so i am still a bit confused, but i will believe AJ if he says it.
Actually, if you based that on what I posted (my own "re-cap" of what AJ said) then I must say that I might have mishandled what he said.

I said he went down to limit damage, but I think I was inferring (picking up on what he was trying to say) but that's not really a good, solid explanation by me. My bad. I take ownership of that, it was a slip-up on my end in the process of editorializing his comments.

He felt pain, he went down, and he had no idea what had happened. Come to find out, it was scarring and likely the associated "pain" issues with the previous injury that had caused the scarring in the first place.

Like I said, either this is what happened...or AJ, the docs, and the Texans are putting on one helluva' scam on everyone. I prefer to believe it is the latter and we'll see him either in the Ravens game (a week earlier than forecasted) or in the 2nd week like he reported.
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Dude I see a bunch of owe woes me Andre is out he needs to hurry back we are through if he doesnt crybaby crap. Andre is hurt and if it is a hammy and he needs to rest for about 5 weeks so he can be full strenghth come the last part of the season. I give us a 100% ability to beat the Raiders and the Ravens in Ravens nest. This team is strong and we might be one less great player, but we need to step up and take the reins and score some points. I gurantee every last one of you sad sacs that we will not fold up like the colts have because of one player. Hello we got other recievers and they have had pretty good luck also so give a team a chance.
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FWIW, Kenneth First reported on 610 this morning that AJ's injured hamstring was clipped off. And, he contended that if this were the Super Bowl, he'd be playing on Sunday, but he feels they'll hold him out until the Tennessee game.
For those who may be interested in looking into the facts of this subject in somewhat greater depth:

As it turn out, AJ had a partial tear of one of the distal hamstring tendons.....the semitendinosus tendon. It is one of the small hamstring muscles. Evidently, because of "debilitating" pain or other signs or symptoms, AJ's surgery was performed to complete the tear, essentially converting it to a complete rupture.........instantly relieving the pain.

It is commonly said that this small hamstring needs not to be repaired, since the bigger hamstring muscles will compensate for it loss. The use of this tendon for ACL reconstruction is commonly cited as proof that the lack of this tendon/muscle leaves no debility. The truth is that many times only portions of the tendon are harvested rather than the entire tendon. Even with this approach, studies have documented that this leads to a loss of knee flexor strength and impaired dynamic stability. Even though it has been shown that the medial hamstring tendons regenerate in most cases after harvesting, the regenerated neotendon tends to have impaired biomechanical properties compared with the original semitendinosus tendon. In actuality, regeneration of the semitendinosus tendon has never been shown to occur after a traumatic rupture.

Although I believe that Dr. First mentioned that the release of this tendon following partial tear has not been described as such before, there is exactly such a paper published in 2005 authored by a UK orthopedic surgeon entitled Partial rupture of the distal semitendinosus tendon treated by tenotomy [release]—A previously undescribed entity. This was performed only after conservative means failed.

AJ's surgery was meant to shorten the healing/return to play time, which would have been required for conservative nonsurgical approach or surgical repair approach, neither which would have likely been less than 2 - 3 months at best. So a sort of gamble was taken. But will this roll of the dice work out the way it has been planned? Or will it result in a short term fix with long term compromise of "elite" hamstring strength/performance (not unlike the clipping/completing of Favre's biceps tear so he could return to the field of play quickly, with the pain relieved, albeit significantly compromised). What's interesting is that the indications for repair of the semitendinosus tendon following complete rupture is pain, weakness, stiffness and instability of the knee joint, especially in athletes. We all will hope that AJ does not fall into this pattern.
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For those who may be interested in looking into the facts of this subject in somewhat greater depth:

As it turn out, AJ had a partial tear of one of the distal hamstring tendons.....the semitendinosus tendon. It is one of the small hamstring muscles. Evidently, because of "debilitating" pain or other signs or symptoms, AJ's surgery was performed to complete the tear, essentially converting it to a complete rupture.........instantly relieving the pain.

It is commonly said that this small hamstring needs not to be repaired, since the bigger hamstring muscles will compensate for it loss. The use of this tendon for ACL reconstruction is commonly cited as proof that the lack of this tendon/muscle leaves no debility. The truth is that many times only portions of the tendon are harvested rather than the entire tendon. Even with this approach, studies have documented that this leads to a loss of knee flexor strength and impaired dynamic stability. Even though it has been shown that the medial hamstring tendons regenerate in most cases after harvesting, the regenerated neotendon tends to have impaired biomechanical properties compared with the original semitendinosis tendon. In actuality, regeneration of the semitendinosis tendon has never been shown to occur after a traumatic rupture.

Although I believe that Dr. First mentioned that the release of this tendon following partial tear has not been described as such before, there is exactly such a paper published in 2005 authored by a UK orthopedic surgeon entitled Partial rupture of the distal semitendinosus tendon treated by tenotomy [release]A previously undescribed entity. This was performed only after conservative means failed.

AJ's surgery was meant to shorten the healing/return to play time, which would have been required for conservative nonsurgical approach or surgical repair approach, neither which would have likely been less than 2 months and 3 months respectively at best. So a sort of gamble was taken. But will this roll of the dice work out the way it has been planned? Or will it result in a short term fix with long term compromise of "elite" hamstring strength/performance (not unlike the clipping/completing of Favre's biceps tear so he could return to the field of play quickly, with the pain relieved, albeit significantly compromised). What's interesting is that the indications for repair of the semitendinosus tendon following complete rupture is pain, weakness, stiffness and instability of the knee joint, especially in athletes. We all will hope that AJ does not fall into this pattern.

I think I blanked out during the 2nd paragraph. Good stuff though!
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For those who may be interested in looking into the facts of this subject in somewhat greater depth:

As it turn out, AJ had a partial tear of one of the distal hamstring tendons.....the semitendinosus tendon. It is one of the small hamstring muscles. Evidently, because of "debilitating" pain or other signs or symptoms, AJ's surgery was performed to complete the tear, essentially converting it to a complete rupture.........instantly relieving the pain.

It is commonly said that this small hamstring needs not to be repaired, since the bigger hamstring muscles will compensate for it loss. The use of this tendon for ACL reconstruction is commonly cited as proof that the lack of this tendon/muscle leaves no debility. The truth is that many times only portions of the tendon are harvested rather than the entire tendon. Even with this approach, studies have documented that this leads to a loss of knee flexor strength and impaired dynamic stability. Even though it has been shown that the medial hamstring tendons regenerate in most cases after harvesting, the regenerated neotendon tends to have impaired biomechanical properties compared with the original semitendinosus tendon. In actuality, regeneration of the semitendinosus tendon has never been shown to occur after a traumatic rupture.

Although I believe that Dr. First mentioned that the release of this tendon following partial tear has not been described as such before, there is exactly such a paper published in 2005 authored by a UK orthopedic surgeon entitled Partial rupture of the distal semitendinosus tendon treated by tenotomy [release]A previously undescribed entity. This was performed only after conservative means failed.

AJ's surgery was meant to shorten the healing/return to play time, which would have been required for conservative nonsurgical approach or surgical repair approach, neither which would have likely been less than 2 - 3 months at best. So a sort of gamble was taken. But will this roll of the dice work out the way it has been planned? Or will it result in a short term fix with long term compromise of "elite" hamstring strength/performance (not unlike the clipping/completing of Favre's biceps tear so he could return to the field of play quickly, with the pain relieved, albeit significantly compromised). What's interesting is that the indications for repair of the semitendinosus tendon following complete rupture is pain, weakness, stiffness and instability of the knee joint, especially in athletes. We all will hope that AJ does not fall into this pattern.
That sounds like a really bad thing. So if the gamble doesn't pay off are we looking at an AJ that comes back at 75-80% of his former self and doesn't really ever return to form??
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That sounds like a really bad thing. So if the gamble doesn't pay off are we looking at an AJ that comes back at 75-80% of his former self and doesn't really ever return to form??
I hope not. But it is certainly possible that he returns somewhat "compromised" (I'm not willing to assign an exact %) on both counts.....if the former or latter scenario manifests, it is possible that they plan for this to be only a temporary fix to get him back on the field quickly this season....possibly entertaining going back and reattaching the tendon in the offseason when he is allowed the significant recovery time necessary for surgical recovery. Only time will tell.
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....if the former or latter scenario manifests, it is possible that they plan for this to be only a temporary fix to get him back on the field quickly this season....possibly entertaining going back and reattaching the tendon in the offseason when he is allowed the significant recovery time necessary for surgical recovery. Only time will tell.
I suspect that is the route they are taking.
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I hope not. But it is certainly possible that he returns somewhat "compromised" (I'm not willing to assign an exact %) on both counts.....if the former or latter scenario manifests, it is possible that they plan for this to be only a temporary fix to get him back on the field quickly this season....possibly entertaining going back and reattaching the tendon in the offseason when he is allowed the significant recovery time necessary for surgical recovery. Only time will tell.
I could see AJ thinking this is best chance he has had to go deep into playoffs and agreeing to a quick fix to get him back on field. "I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today." What happens if Tuesday comes and you can't play er pay?
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They just said on 790 AJ said he wont be back for the Titans game and could be out 6 weeks....
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Oh well, there's always next year.
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They just said on 790 AJ said he wont be back for the Titans game and could be out 6 weeks....
This makes me fear the worst. Not that the Texans won't win a lot of games without AJ, but now injuries to AJ and Mario plus strike shortened pre-season gives Uncle Bop a reason to bring his favorite boy back next season.
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